Rome will Never Fall, The Titanic will Never Sink

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I’m just curious as to what your opinion (laden with your well thought out evidence, of course) is as to whether or not the ol’ US of A will survive another century. Let me get some things out of the way real quick.
  1. I consider myself a patriot, and would prefer the nation to survive.
  2. At the same time, I consider myself a patriot and I’d rather see the old ship sunk then in the hands of those who would soil her.
  3. I don’t believe that it’s the same country that many of our soldiers, philosophers, social warriors, etc. have fought and died for. I think that if George Washington, MLK, FJS, or many of the other great Americans we learn about could see the state of affairs here today, they’d light the capital on fire.
  4. I’m not personally saying that it’s any particular person’s fault, though you may think that it is.
  5. Please post your initial post as a reply to the thread, before going on to respond to anybody else’s.
The title of my post is based off the thoughts that the Roman Empire was too great to fall. By the time of St. Benedict, Rome was just a disappointing mess. Likewise, the Titanic was unsinkable until it wasn’t. I wonder if we allow our sentimentality to cloud our eyes to the future demise of our nation. What do you guys think?
 
Well the landmass will survive. Will you lot implode? Will NK EM you?
Will life just go on as normal?

Only God has these answers. 🙏
 
All great nations/empires eventually fall.

I fear that the United States will eventually succumb to the evils of socialism and/or communism.

However, the one thing that still protects the United States is the ability of the 2/3 States to call for a Constitutional Convention without Congress.
 
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I dunno what will happen with USA but I am 99.99 percent sure that I myself won’t survive another century, which is more of an immediate concern to me.
 
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I think as Ronald Reagan said, when the USA forgets that they are one nation under God, they will be one nation gone under, and I think they almost did that when Clinton almost became President.

This revolution on marriage and the family (same sex marriage) does not come from God and I am hoping the USA amend their ways and that of other western nations follow suit.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
 
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The sun never sets on the British Empire.

Well, it is just the common trend of arrogance.

The Fall of Rome is often the most cited and compared example. Analysis indicates the city itself may have lost
80-90% of its population, was quite diverse especially when it came to slaves by today’s standards, and disease and cultural decay were an issue. They were preoccupied with their own fleshy pleasure as the barbarians (interestingly enough who didn’t practice slavery) were gathering to storm the gates.

Rome at its zenith had nearly 1 million people. It was well over 1000 years after the fall of the Western empire before any city in the world matched that.

There were quite a few setbacks from that.
 
Even if you take God out of the equation, not even the secular arguments hold up.

Just look at social media. There are Bernie-supporting atheists and 2nd wave feminists ringing the city square bell there’s danger on the horizon and a lot of Christians can’t even see what’s right in front of them.

I think there is some hope to amend some of this looking at the values of the upcoming generation. Maybe not so easily on the marriage issue, but reality is going to set in that it’s a losing investment. We’ve already got data that anything outside of the biological, nuclear family puts other categories at a disadvantage no matter angry that fact makes them.
 
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Rome fell. The Titanic sank. America is fracturing.
I was watching a debate on the BBC not too long ago. One of the guests said the polarized political atmosphere started in 2000 when Bush won. The guest said those who didn’t vote for him were incensed and didn’t recognize his legitimacy. Things got worse under Obama when the ‘winning side’ now the ‘losers’ started mimicking the then ‘losers’ now ‘winners’ and even worse now with Trump now with current swap. The rhetoric is unhelpful and there’s no interest in actually listening to each other. The audience and some of the panelists were doing a good job of proving him correct.
And the destruction of the family, aided by the government and media (not just the news, but also TV, movies, ‘music’), has been detrimental to the US. Government subsidies and social programmes can’t replace the role of a father. It goes beyond just money. The lack of involvement in the raising of children by parents lets children go aimlessly. Western culture now in some ways stigmatizes active involvement during the formative years of children. We don’t let kids go off in a tangent in academics. Teachers guide them, well, many used to.
Which leads to another problem. The curriculums appear to be failing children. Those in charge of curriculums seem obsessed with talking sex with other people’s children as test scores slide (the image of Rome burning and Nero fiddling comes to mind). In particular, mathematics. There’s apparently a teaching philosophy where children will just figure out how to do basic algebra or something of that sort. No, they need to be guided and learning and discovering things on their own along the way during that guidance. There are even some policymakers who want to lower standards. Math is so important especially if you want to compete in a globalised economy.
This leads to the skills gap. Employers complain about not finding the right workers and workers not able to find jobs. Resentment is fuelled.
 
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If our country changed for the worse, then we can change it back for the better. It’s the land that gave you birth or adopted you, and more than that it’s people. On your way to work or to the store count all the people you see along your way; those people ARE America, and saying you’d prefer the ship sink is like saying you’d prefer those people suffer hardship.
 
I think unless there’s a nuclear apocalypse, it’s extraordinarily unlikely the United States is going to go anywhere in 100 years. Namely because countries don’t really disappear anymore. There aren’t marauding nomadic tribes migrating from the Asian Steppes that are going to destroy our army, burn our cities, and take the women as wives to raise them as Huns. The descendants of the current American population are going to exist in 100 years and they’re going to have government, and it’s probably going to be roughly the same country that we know today.

The British Empire no longer exists as such, but Britain is still around and it isn’t going anywhere. The Soviet Union doesn’t exist, but there’s still Russia, and it isn’t going anywhere.

We have a tendency to glorify past generations, but that’s only ever half-true. 60% of the public disapproved of Martin Luther King as a person while he was still alive. He was only deified after his death. 1960s America was loaded with one problem after another, not the least of which is the earlier stages of the sexual revolution that is simply following its logical progression in becoming more and more libertine.

I think a lot more likely, in 100 years, the US will be a major world power, but not so much as China or India. Christianity will continue to face strains and sufferings under secular liberalism, but it won’t disappear, and internally Christian communities will be more vibrant and organized. Christianity will also continue to gain presence in Africa and Asia. The world will become more diverse and pluralistic, without clean-cut differences between East and West, North or South, or one continent with another continent.

Certain parts of the world will become uninhabitable or nearly uninhabitable due to climate change. Europe will face a water crisis and Muslims will be a large minority. Africa will be a much stronger economic power.

Communism was the major enemy of the 20th century. In the 21st century it will be (and already is) populism & the self-centered fickleness of the mob. Relating to this will be widespread addictions & empty hedonistic lifestyles. People will become more and more consumed with technology and isolated. The Church will continue to develop and be perfected & refined over the years, and it will adapt to the pastoral needs of these new generations. Countless people will find refuge & healing within Her. God will raise up Saints to the front lines in communities, schools, prisons, workplaces, parishes, etc, to contend with the various dragons of the age, and the stories of their deeds will be written about. Life will continue.
 
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I find your insight profitable. I fear that the one match you haven’t considered with your powder keg is: can Christendom and Mohammedism truly live in peace? I would love for the answer to be yes, but I’m afraid that it’s leaning heavily towards no.

Radicals in the Middle East could be seen as the nomadic tribes from your historical allegory.
 
BornInMarch said:
If our country changed for the worse, then we can change it back for the better.
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That’s true, but it all depends on the people and since Trump has been elected, and if we in Australia reject this revolution on marriage and the family come Nov 15 results, then there is great hope.
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It’s the land that gave you birth or adopted you, and more than that it’s people.
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Not only that, but the USA’s fate will be Australia’s also I believe.
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saying you’d prefer the ship sink
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Some people are so down about the whole thing that it’s easy to just sit back waiting for it to sink. I think that’s where some people are at. I have sympathy for those people though, because at least they are not actively seeking their destruction, they have just given up resisting because they think it’s futile, hopefully Trump and such things will give them hope, since everybody said there was no way Trump could win either.

God Bless You
 
@ATraveller very apt analysis I think. If the people turn around and put someone like Clinton in at the 2020 elections, then that would be it for me, just like if Clinton had won this round, that would have been it for me, and I would have fallen into the category I described above of those who are sitting back waiting/preparing for it to fall.

So under Trump is really their chance to turn back, if they don’t, then I don’t think our nations will be around for much longer.

God Bless You
 
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That’s a great solution! Fund their moon exploration program and send him up to explore Space. Put him on ISS and have long Deep and personal chats with Holy Father
 
Any society rooted in the principles of Free Masonic Deism and Indifferentism is destined to fail and to take down the culture, morals, and religion of its people with it. Slowly but surely this process has been occurring since July 4th, 1776 and has accelerated rapidly in the last 5 decades. Unless the people of the United States embrace the Social Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ, America, like every other empire that presumed itself to be invincible without the help of God, will continue to sink further into debauchery until nothing remains but a husk.
 
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Amoral, secular, “free” societies are going the way of the dodo and good riddance.
 
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This leads to the skills gap. Employers complain about not finding the right workers and workers not able to find jobs. Resentment is fuelled.
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Employers are just as much to blame for this in many cases. They basically expect college and education in general to be a free training session for them except in a lot of cases even in STEM it’s anything but.
 
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