Rome will Never Fall, The Titanic will Never Sink

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phil19034 said:
I think another civil war is possible,
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I suppose it would be possible for there to be a lot of tension if California were to secede from the USA. California needs water from other states.
 
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I could see why someone might speculate about a civil war given all the violence and hate groups, but for the majority, that would mean going outside… as for me, I don’t think I could get the time off from work.
 
I could definitely see a civil war coming…I’ve heard that there is a certain “wave” pattern to the fading in and out of civil unrest, leading to wars. Apparently every 50 years this happens. We are due for one now.
 
I think there’s a lot of people in society who think they have influence, knowledge and power than they actually do.

Boy, are they going to be disappointed…
 
All fires burn out at last.
All bleeding stops eventually.
Civilizations rise and fall.

But…what would be your metric for the US being “gone” or “dead”?
 
“There must have been a moment, at the beginning, were we could have said – no. But somehow we missed it. ”
― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
 
Well, the thing to keep in mind is that Rome is still there. The city wasn’t completely abandoned or burned to the ground, but it did lose a lot of prosperity for its time and took a long road to recovery and its fall wasn’t like an even transfer of power to the barbarians.

The key here is the loss of quality of life and prosperity. There’s clearly some people in America who don’t care who is running the show as long as they are well-fed and get to play X-box. I don’t think a lot of Americans understand what it takes to give people things as simple as running clean water that even helps their dental health.
 
Are they though? I feel like Europe is secularizing, as are the Americas. Asia is a mess, and Africa can only do so much.
 
Deism is probably a lot more maintainable than atheism I would think. Not as preferable as Christianity, but better.
 
I believe that a moral atheist can exist in a Christianized nation. Can you refrain from murder including abortion and euthanasia, theft, rape, support a traditional definition of marriage? Then you should do fine.

Can the same be said about a practicing Catholic in a completely atheistic state? Maybe not so much.
 
No one country or region can save the world. That may be the one thing America has done right, more or less, outside of its boundaries with the exception of Hawaii pre-statehood and the Philipines compared to other empires.
Daisy said:
The country is losing its middle class and The People are becoming severely divided culturally, politically, and economically. That doesn’t bode well.
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There’s 2 solutions:
  1. Get the government out the way. People can argue “solidarity” and Church teaching all they want (BTW, gang, there’s no room for scandal in this). However, the government is picking winners and losers because the American people let them by throwing up their hands and saying “only government can do it”. No, it can’t.
  2. Get back to the nuclear family. Whenever this is discussed, I know there is someone who will ask “but what about my situation—I’m a single parent, or I’m a gay atheist. I don’t have to play by the rules”. Well, the bigger problem is the wider cultural assault on the real value of the family, not what people do in their room with the door shut. And I think anyone with common sense understands that sometimes single parenthood cannot be avoided for the good of the kids.
 
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