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AmbroseSJ
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godisgood77
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The good news is that you are under no obligation to pray the Hail Mary or the rosary. If you are uncomfortable with them or if you are not drawn to rote prayer, there are plenty of other options.
One can be a perfectly good Christian and never pick up a rosary or utter a Hail Mary
One can be a perfectly good Christian and never pick up a rosary or utter a Hail Mary
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Dovekin
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As I said above, when we look at Mary, we see the greatness of the Lord and rejoice in God our savior. Fulfilling the prophecy that follows that identification of Mary, in every generation we call her blessed.
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rose321
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Respectfully thank you for your respectful kind reply greatly admire that also and encourages one and others to do the same, all are pondering on and asking also and searching out…
Asking in pondering on also … Do we not also see the greatness of the Lord and rejoice in God our Savior when we …read hear within His Spoken Word…
When we look at Enoch who walked with God as written
When we look at Noah> Abraham> Jacob> Joseph>Hannah> King David> Jacob> Issac>Samuel>>King Cyrus>> Isaiah, Jeremiah (his great prophets who spoke for him and least we not forget there were many woman who were also called in serving the Lord to give birth to those in whom he would call in serving him…Woman fully knowing nothing is impossible with God and all were called also in serving him, correct?
How did our ancient forefathers give Worship, Glory, Praise and Pray to our Heavenly Father?
The Lord has showed us all His infinite greatness, infinite power, glory, fulfilling along the way his prophecies given to his people… since the beginning of time has he not?..
Thus in searching within the Bible, how did all the above listed his people also give praise, glory worship only to…him??
Psalms teach us how to pray maybe?
Those whom all God… had chosen to serve him …in order to teach us and how they gave their sole… Worship, Glory, Praise and humble humility in thanking only unto God did they not whom through whom all served to bring about his great plans of salvation to all mabye?
Just asking in pondering is all…
None would exist without Him right?
Peace
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Tis_Bearself
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Rose321, there are MANY ways we can give glory to God.
As has been said repeatedly on this thread, it is not required that a Catholic ever pray a Rosary or even say a Hail Mary. The Church teaches, and many of us accept, that Marian devotion such as the Hail Mary is a very good way to give glory to God, but no one, NO ONE, has ever said it’s the only way.
And conversely, if a person chooses to give glory to God through Marian devotion, it does NOT follow that the person is never giving glory to God directly. That is a fallacy that ignorant people propagate, the same way they claim that Catholics don’t go to God or Jesus directly but only through a priest.
I personally do not understand why people constantly raise questions about the Rosary or the Hail Mary, when as I and several others on this thread have said, you’re free to NOT pray those prayers, you can just skip the whole thing. You do have to accept the Marian dogmas of the Church and the use of the prayers involving Mary at certain parts of the Mass (such as Confiteor, Profession of Faith). That is it.
Yet people continue to raise such questions. I will not speculate on the reasons why.
As has been said repeatedly on this thread, it is not required that a Catholic ever pray a Rosary or even say a Hail Mary. The Church teaches, and many of us accept, that Marian devotion such as the Hail Mary is a very good way to give glory to God, but no one, NO ONE, has ever said it’s the only way.
And conversely, if a person chooses to give glory to God through Marian devotion, it does NOT follow that the person is never giving glory to God directly. That is a fallacy that ignorant people propagate, the same way they claim that Catholics don’t go to God or Jesus directly but only through a priest.
I personally do not understand why people constantly raise questions about the Rosary or the Hail Mary, when as I and several others on this thread have said, you’re free to NOT pray those prayers, you can just skip the whole thing. You do have to accept the Marian dogmas of the Church and the use of the prayers involving Mary at certain parts of the Mass (such as Confiteor, Profession of Faith). That is it.
Yet people continue to raise such questions. I will not speculate on the reasons why.
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rose321
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Respectfully toward…Thank you for your kind reply and fully agree with all one has said doing so respectfully toward those who also raise questions and seek to examine such is not a bad thing either but a good thing, test all spirits we are told right?
One honors our Blessed Mary
saying the rosary throughout ones life, that is not really a question for me, but rather in getting to …know…him our Creator of all, and seek to do all that pleases him……Does our Heavenly Father, creator of all and those in whom he has also called in serving him… not also give us instructions… teaches us through whom… all He has chosen in serving him within His own Spoken Word taught us also how to solely and directly approach him and in doing so gave great Worship, Praise and Glory solely onto him?
As written…This is my son in whom I am well pleased…
Jesus and all those who were called sought only to please the infinite Creator of all did they not? All throughout the whole Bible we can read how all gave Glory, Worship and Praise only onto Him when they directly approached him did they not?
Agree everyone has their own personal relationship with Him as did all our forefathers, woman also before us did they not?
Isaiah 42: 8 I am the Lord, that is my name; my glory I give to no other nor my praise to idols…See, the former things have come to pass, and new things I now declare; before they spring forth, I tell you of them…
Guess we have to keep on reading
.Isaiah 43:7 everyone who is called by my name whom I created for my glory whom I formed and made…
Lord’s Prayer beings with… Our Father…?
Are we taught first to known him and to not only know, but to recall instead…All our Heavenly Father, Creator … has done for us all… since the beginning of time?
Jesus as written…tells us I cannot teach or do nothing without my Father?
I gave them your name, but they accepted another?
Isaiah 44: 8 Is there any god beside me? There is no rock, I know not one.
Peace
One respectfully and fully agrees with your own personal understanding, thank you…
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Sbee0
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No it wasn’t “praying the scripture” that was the problem. The Pharisees and scribes who Jesus condemned didn’t pray out of love for God, they prayed out of pride, out of broadcasting to anyone who would see that they were better and holier than they were. They never practiced what they were praying, they did it out of love for adoration and power. That’s why Jesus condemned what they were doing.
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Dovekin
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One of the delights of the rosary is greeting Mary over and over, seeing her with new eyes to understand the blessings of God visible in her, seeing her with old eyes touched by affection for her, just seeing the wonders of God through her.
The repetition seems boring sometimes, but it builds up a brain “muscle”, a practice of seeing others with the same wonder. Say “Hail Mary Full of Grace” enough times and you begin greeting others and seeing in them the grace of God. That is the first seed of love, or the flourishing of it when you greet someone you know. Love your neighbor is the way to worship God.
And yes, all the forefathers and mothers of faith evoke that response as well. All the saints and angels too. Even the Our Father has changed for me as I greet God and hallow his name. With Mary, Jonah, Job, St Peter, St Dominic, St John XXIII, i say “Our.” All the holiness I have seen is wrapped up in all the holiness of God. Hallowed be His Name!
Thank you as well. I rarely get to write in this kind of joyful praise of prayer. To repeat the words of Scripture and find the truth in them.
Tis_Bearself
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As you note the Our Father, I would just point out that the Rosary also contains a number of Our Fathers, and also a number of Glory Be prayers which are giving Glory to the Trinity, only, and also the Fatima Prayer which is a prayer to Jesus, “O Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell”…
So it is very much a prayer to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, not simply a “Mary prayer”.
People are still not required to say it, or they could even choose to say a chaplet of Our Fathers or a chaplet of the Jesus Prayer, omitting all Hail Marys…
Prayers are private devotions. If someone doesn’t like a form of private devotion, the easiest way to deal with it is just don’t do that devotion, do a different one that speaks to you.
So it is very much a prayer to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, not simply a “Mary prayer”.
People are still not required to say it, or they could even choose to say a chaplet of Our Fathers or a chaplet of the Jesus Prayer, omitting all Hail Marys…
Prayers are private devotions. If someone doesn’t like a form of private devotion, the easiest way to deal with it is just don’t do that devotion, do a different one that speaks to you.
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rose321
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Respectfully asking and written did Jesus…recorded… includes his motto teach us there were many… Ways…we can give singular glory solely and only to God?
Jesus motto was… I am the… Way…the… truth and the… life…follow me…? Taught us the Lord’s prayer beings with …Our Father?
Peace
Tis_Bearself
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Yes, Jesus taught us the Our Father. (And the Rosary contains 6 Our Fathers) It is a good prayer to say. Catholics would do well to pray it often.
Jesus did not intend that the Our Father be the ONLY prayer we ever say. It was certainly not the only prayer he ever said to His Father. He said many prayers to His Father, many of which are recorded in Scripture as Jesus, as a good practicing educated Jewish man, presumably also prayed the Jewish prayers that had been written by David and other patriarchs. And of course he spoke to his Father in his own words, some of which are recorded in Scripture (such as on the cross, at Gethsemane) and many of which aren’t recorded anywhere.
Our prayers and prayer practices do not come solely from Scripture. There is nothing wrong with using prayers from Scripture, but we are also allowed to use prayers based in Catholic tradition, or even make up our very own prayers as many Christians do.
I certainly hope you’re not trying to say there’s only one way to pray.
Jesus did not intend that the Our Father be the ONLY prayer we ever say. It was certainly not the only prayer he ever said to His Father. He said many prayers to His Father, many of which are recorded in Scripture as Jesus, as a good practicing educated Jewish man, presumably also prayed the Jewish prayers that had been written by David and other patriarchs. And of course he spoke to his Father in his own words, some of which are recorded in Scripture (such as on the cross, at Gethsemane) and many of which aren’t recorded anywhere.
Our prayers and prayer practices do not come solely from Scripture. There is nothing wrong with using prayers from Scripture, but we are also allowed to use prayers based in Catholic tradition, or even make up our very own prayers as many Christians do.
I certainly hope you’re not trying to say there’s only one way to pray.
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CatholicChristian
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Not to take the post off topic, but i feel this question is relevant at this point in the conversation: if people are never required to say the rosary, what would one say or do if given this for penance in confession and they are uncomfortable with it?
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Dovekin
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Explain that to the priest, perhaps offer an alternative you would be willing to do?
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rose321
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Respectfully toward enjoyed reading your reply, thank you!
What gives the Lord great delight?
What gives God great delight he so desires…to visibly see in us, that He desires to bestows his great blessings within each one of us?
Enjoy respectfully this discussion…Thou just pondering on…examining and questioning respectfully.
What does our Heavenly Father tells us within …His Spoken Word wanting us to …know…and within his Spoken Word…telling us His Word does not go out in vain nor returns empty… does God mention any displeasure himself …about repetitive prayer and to whom we should be praying to?
Asking what is prayer?
Prayer … its true meaning, is it not our personal communication with God… granted by him… a privilege given to us… granting us access to God on high? Jesus taught us the Lord prayer…begins with solely addressing Him…Our Father…
Just a few Biblical verses on what does God say withing His Spoken Word…about repetitive prayer?
Mathew 6:7-14… In praying do not babble like the pagans who think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them. Your Father knows what you need before you ask him. The Lord Prayer This is how you are to pray…Our Father…
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…And continues to give us instruction teaching us following…Mathew 6 :14…If you forgive others their transgressions your heavenly Father will forgive you. But if you do not forgive others others neither will your Father forgive your transgressions…so God also has given us the authority to forgive the sins of those who have offended us also?
Our Heavenly Father,does he not give us instructions, defines also…what he considers …fasting… to be and desires from us, in what gives him great pleasure?
Isaiah 58:614??
Written… This is my son in whom I am well pleased…asking did Jesus not do all that was asked of him and in doing…all that pleased the Heavenly Father…not about what we desire or what pleases us, but what pleases God maybe the creator of all?..
When we truly and purely Love someone, do we not seek to do all that pleases them?
How can we say we Love God if we do not do what pleases him, is my question?
Isaiah 1: 13-20
Isaiah 1: 15 When you spread out your hands I close my eyes to you. Though you pray the more I will not listen…
Thank you for your kind reply which I fully respect also!!! …And all are given Free Will…to choose for themselves… within their own good conscious for the rest is …private and personal with ones own personal relationship with God is it not? Only God knows fully all hearts, souls and minds their personal pure intentions does he not? Whom am I to judge…
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Dovekin
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I was not sure why you asked. These suggest there different ways for different people to serve God. If you meant something else, never mind.
I will respond to your other note later, other errands beckon now.
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rose321
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Respectfully not mentioning… other ways… sorry for my very poor communication expressing there is only. One way…that is…God’s way…Jesus himself stresses on this also…his motto was…known by all in his time…I am the …Way… the …Truth… and the… Life…follow me …not the ways of others maybe? …Accept my Word, my instructions… my teaching… as truth…for Jesus upheld the Spoken Word of God did he not?
Jesus never taught us different ways did he?
A House divided cannot stand?
Jesus taught us and gave us the Lord’s Prayer, Our Father…?
As written. But you do not ask me, seek me or knock at my door…
For one only
Faith gets us to his door, …knowing him…and what pleases him, doing what he ask of us…gets us in maybe?
Love Me with your whole heart soul and mind…
Written…Let your ears hear…
Rosary: is it taking scripture out of context, well for one in searching out His Spoken Word…let God himself maybe define such?
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Tis_Bearself
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When Jesus spoke about not being divided, he meant for us to serve Him, as a community of believers. He didn’t mean that we should all do the exact same things to serve him, like all say the same prayers, live the same type of life.
Right now there are dozens of religious orders that make serving God the center of their lives. They don’t all pray the same prayers and they all practice different charisms but it’s all serving God.
You seem to be insisting that there’s only ONE way? The ONE way is Jesus, but there are a huge number of ways we can serve Jesus and pray to Jesus.
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AmbroseSJ
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Is penance supposed to be comfortable?
Tis_Bearself
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You have the following options:
- Accept that penance is not supposed to be pleasant, say the rosary and offer it up, and use this as a motivation not to sin any more, then go to a different priest next time.
- Tell the priest you have difficulty saying the rosary and suggest something else you can do instead. Be prepared for him to tell you to say the rosary anyway though.
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CatholicChristian
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@AmbroseSJ and @Tis_Bearself I agree penance is not supposed to be comfortable. I asked not because I have an issue with it personally but because multiple people in this thread said no one would ever have to say Hail Mary’s or rosaries if they didn’t want to and I know this can be given for penance. Just making a point that some would indeed have to say them whether they like it or not.
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