RSV-CE Luke 1:28

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Hey y’all,

Am finally so sick of my NAB that I’m going to shell out the money to get a new bible (despite my husband’s snarky comments about me becoming a bible snob 😉 ).

Does anyone have a RSV-CE in front of them and can tell me, beyond a doubt, that Luke 1:28 says “full of Grace”, rather than the horrible “highly favored daughter”?

I looked up the RSV online, but found the Protestant version of it, which has the verse as “O favored one”, which isn’t going to work for me.

Plus, are there footnotes on the same page as the scriptures, or are they in the back? (I get distracted easily by the footnotes)

Thanks for taking the time to respond. Now I just have to get over the fact that I wasted my Catholic Answers Topic Tabs on my NAB :rolleyes:

Cheers,
C
 
Cari said:
Hey y’all,

Am finally so sick of my NAB that I’m going to shell out the money to get a new bible (despite my husband’s snarky comments about me becoming a bible snob 😉 ).

Does anyone have a RSV-CE in front of them and can tell me, beyond a doubt, that Luke 1:28 says “full of Grace”, rather than the horrible “highly favored daughter”?

I looked up the RSV online, but found the Protestant version of it, which has the verse as “O favored one”, which isn’t going to work for me.

Plus, are there footnotes on the same page as the scriptures, or are they in the back? (I get distracted easily by the footnotes)

Thanks for taking the time to respond. Now I just have to get over the fact that I wasted my Catholic Answers Topic Tabs on my NAB :rolleyes:

Cheers,
C
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The RSV-CE has “Hail full of grace…”

The footnotes, much to my dismay, are in the back. And there aren’t many of them. A few pages total for both the OT and NT.
 
Thank you! How odd that the RSV Protestant version has it as “O favored one”…one would think an RSV’s an RSV’s an RSV, but with the inclusion or exclusion of the deuterocanonical books.
 
If you want be a real Bible snob, you’ll get a Douay Rheims like me 😃
 
Cari said:
Thank you! How odd that the RSV Protestant version has it as “O favored one”…one would think an RSV’s an RSV’s an RSV, but with the inclusion or exclusion of the deuterocanonical books.
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Cari,

Perhaps you should have a look at our thread “RSV-CE Needs Corrections” to see just how many RSV’s there really are.
 
ricmat said:
The RSV-CE has “Hail full of grace…”

The footnotes, much to my dismay, are in the back. And there aren’t many of them. A few pages total for both the OT and NT.
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Both the RSV-CE (1965-66) and the RSV-2CE (2005?) have “Hail, full of grace”.

See our thread “RSV-CE Needs Corrections” for more.
 
Manfred said:
See our thread “RSV-CE Needs Corrections” for more.
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Thanks, could you link it? I ran a search and couldn’t find it, but I’m horribly lazy.
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If you want be a real Bible snob, you’ll get a Douay Rheims like me
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I would, but for two reasons:
  1. I can find it online, and am cheap, so free trumps snobbery at this point in my life 😉
    and
  2. as someone who holds a BA in English, Masters in Education, and taught Literature for seven years, I’m pretty much burned out on Elizabethan English. (see above comment on my laziness).
Cheers,
C (see how lazy I am? Can’t even put the last three letters of my name down.)
 
victus said:
I definetly recommend the RSV-SCE, it is a good bible.

This edition of it, is also beautiful.

ignatius.com/ViewProduct.aspx?SID=1&Product_ID=2766&SKU=IBL2-P&Category_ID=6

and yes, it has “full of grace”
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*And *it has the footnotes on the same page instead of in the back and it has paragraph headings,which are soooo helpful in finding certain passages or themes. The type, which is on slightly yellow or creme color paper, is also somewhat easier to read.

In the first editions of the RSV-CE, which I use, everything pretty much runs together. As you get older and your eyes get bad, it’s a bear to read! :hypno:
 
Cari said:
Thanks, could you link it? I ran a search and couldn’t find it, but I’m horribly lazy.

I would, but for two reasons:
  1. I can find it online, and am cheap, so free trumps snobbery at this point in my life 😉
    and
  2. as someone who holds a BA in English, Masters in Education, and taught Literature for seven years, I’m pretty much burned out on Elizabethan English. (see above comment on my laziness).
Cheers,
C (see how lazy I am? Can’t even put the last three letters of my name down.)
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Cari,

Here you go.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=91598

And, for what it’s worth, the D-R revised by Challoner, is far from Elizabethan; it’s actually mid-18th-century, which is not all that far from our “standard” English of today. Certainly, no gender-inclusive language or colloquialisms, like the RNAB we’re forced to hear at Mass in the USA or the NRSV in Canada.
 
Fidelis said:
*And *it has the footnotes on the same page instead of in the back and it has paragraph headings,which are soooo helpful in finding certain passages or themes. The type, which is on slightly yellow or creme color paper, is also somewhat easier to read.

In the first editions of the RSV-CE, which I use, everything pretty much runs together. As you get older and your eyes get bad, it’s a bear to read! :hypno:
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Ah, yes, one of my pet peeves with the original Ignatius RSV-CE: “everything pretty much runs together. As you get older and your eyes get bad, it’s a bear to read!”

Got that right! Especially in those long, boring passages in the Pentateuch and Ezekiel attributed by some to “priestly” sources, as well as all of the Pauline epistles. Psalms and other books written in poetic verse style are certainly a lot easier on the eyes of us oldsters. For me, any “compact” edition of the RSV-CE is definitely OUT!

And while you may be right about the aesthetics of the RSV-2CE, I’m still of a mindset that that edition is still a work-in-progress.
 
Manfred said:
And while you may be right about the aesthetics of the RSV-2CE, I’m still of a mindset that that edition is still a work-in-progress.
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That is why I have not purchased the RSV-2CE. I am still waiting patiently for the RSV-3CE. I hope the wait is not going to be too long.
 
lak611 said:
That is why I have not purchased the RSV-2CE. I am still waiting patiently for the RSV-3CE. I hope the wait is not going to be too long.
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The RSV-2CE is still the best Catholic translation you can get today. Get it along with the Oxford editions of the first RSV-CE.
 
porthos11 said:
The RSV-2CE is still the best Catholic translation you can get today. Get it along with the Oxford editions of the first RSV-CE.
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I already own the Scepter translation of the RSV-CE and the New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha (which I purchased in order to have the books recognized by the Orthodox but not the Catholic Church). Therefore, I will wait until the RSV-3CE is completed before I purchase another RSV.
 
Cari said:
Thanks, could you link it? I ran a search and couldn’t find it, but I’m horribly lazy.

I would, but for two reasons:
  1. I can find it online, and am cheap, so free trumps snobbery at this point in my life 😉
    and
  2. as someone who holds a BA in English, Masters in Education, and taught Literature for seven years, I’m pretty much burned out on Elizabethan English. (see above comment on my laziness).
Cheers,
C (see how lazy I am? Can’t even put the last three letters of my name down.)
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You can find the RSV online too, here. It’s nice to have a personal copy in the house though. I bought one that’s small with a zipper, and it travels super easy. I love it.
 
porthos11 said:
The RSV-2CE is still the best Catholic translation you can get today. Get it along with the Oxford editions of the first RSV-CE.
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No, I would argue that the Compact RSV-CE is the best translation you can get today. It differs from both the original RSV-CE and the RSV-2CE. See what is left of the RSV-CE Needs Corrections thread that Manfred mentioned for more info (we lost a good bit of it when the servers were hacked within the last year.)
 
mmortal03 said:
No, I would argue that the Compact RSV-CE is the best translation you can get today. It differs from both the original RSV-CE and the RSV-2CE. See what is left of the RSV-CE Needs Corrections thread that Manfred mentioned for more info (we lost a good bit of it when the servers were hacked within the last year.)
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Yes, I’ve seen it.

I still like and prefer the RSV-2CE.
 
Manfred said:
Ah, yes, one of my pet peeves with the original Ignatius RSV-CE: “everything pretty much runs together. As you get older and your eyes get bad, it’s a bear to read!”

Got that right! Especially in those long, boring passages in the Pentateuch and Ezekiel attributed by some to “priestly” sources, as well as all of the Pauline epistles. Psalms and other books written in poetic verse style are certainly a lot easier on the eyes of us oldsters. For me, any “compact” edition of the RSV-CE is definitely OUT!

And while you may be right about the aesthetics of the RSV-2CE, I’m still of a mindset that that edition is still a work-in-progress.
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You know, speaking of aesthetics, I think the Ignatius RSV-2CE still “pretty much runs together” when it comes to the chapter headings. After the color of the pages, the first thing I noticed when I opened the book was the way the headings are shoe-horned in, almost like an afterthought. They are equidistant from the paragraphs above and below, as well as having the same leading as the body copy (except, curiously, in the Psalms). It doesn’t look too bad if the last line of a chapter is only a couple of words long, thus creating more space above the next heading, but that’s an accident. I don’t have the original RSV-CE. Did it not have chapter headings and they tried to add them here without resetting every page?
 
porthos11 said:
Yes, I’ve seen it.

I still like and prefer the RSV-2CE.
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I consider the Catholic RSV and Catholic RSV II to be about equal in excellence; but the edge for the second edition is that it has eliminated the archaic pronouns, and it does use the word Virgin rather than Young Woman in Isaiah 7:14.

I do not mind archaic language actually, but as a Bible teacher, I have found that not everyone else enjoys it.

We ordered the Second RSV for our Byzantine Church for our Adult bible class after Divine Liturgy.

I have the Oxford Study Bible, with 1952 RSV and Cardinal Cushing’s imprimitur; but the problem there, is that it does not translate Luke 1:28 with the phrase, full of Grace.

The Confraternity Bible and the Douay Rheims Bible are both very excellent. I like the Knox version and original 1966 Jerusalem Bible, too.
 
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