RSV-CE Luke 1:28

[Jay3gsm]

1. I can find it online, and am cheap, so free trumps snobbery at this point in my life

You can download an ebook in .pdf format of the Douay Rheims here:

freecatholicebooks.com/books/holybiblecatholic.pdf

3001 pages, so it may take a while to load depending on your connection speed.

 

[porthos11]

You know, speaking of aesthetics, I think the Ignatius RSV-2CE still “pretty much runs together” when it comes to the chapter headings. After the color of the pages, the first thing I noticed when I opened the book was the way the headings are shoe-horned in, almost like an afterthought. They are equidistant from the paragraphs above and below, as well as having the same leading as the body copy (except, curiously, in the Psalms). It doesn’t look too bad if the last line of a chapter is only a couple of words long, thus creating more space above the next heading, but that’s an accident. I don’t have the original RSV-CE. Did it not have chapter headings and they tried to add them here without resetting every page?

The original RSV-CE had headings only at the top of the pages. the RSV-CE 2nd ed and the new Oxford RSV’s are completely re-typeset with new fonts so the page numbers no longer match the original RSV-CE. While the Oxford editions do not have headings, they set off sections with horizontal dividing lines.

Both the Ignatius 2nd RSV and the Oxford are much easier to read. And as mmortal mentioned, the compact RSV’s (Oxford, Ignatius, or Scepter) have improvements based on the 1971 RSV New Testament.

 

[Manfred]

People,

Since we’re discussing Luke 1:28 here: we KNOW the RSV-xCE renders it as “Hail, full of grace.” Excellent.

Now - this same verse from the Canadian lectionary which is based on the NRSV: how is it rendered there?

 

[Jaypeeto3]

I have only ONE complaint about the RSV-2CE, which is a SUPERB Catholic bible.

That is, that theThomas Nelson Bible Company, who published it for Ignatius Press, had it printed in Catholic-persecuting Communist China. Are there no other places on this earth where they could have had this otherwise beautiful bible printed?
Why give money to the church-persecuting communist Chinese???

 

[Cranch]

I have only ONE complaint about the RSV-2CE, which is a SUPERB Catholic bible.

That is, that theThomas Nelson Bible Company, who published it for Ignatius Press, had it printed in Catholic-persecuting Communist China. Are there no other places on this earth where they could have had this otherwise beautiful bible printed?
Why give money to the church-persecuting communist Chinese???

Because the Chinese are cheaper. It could be argued the dollars saved go towards other worthy projects at Ignatius, but you make a good point.

 

[porthos11]

Because the Chinese are cheaper. It could be argued the dollars saved go towards other worthy projects at Ignatius, but you make a good point.

'ey, it’s bizness

I noticed the China thing too, but then it has to be printed somewhere cheap, I guess. Probably explains why by first copy came with loose pages and flaky gold print on the cover.

The Oxford editions are printed in South Korea.

 

[kotek]

Three days ago I finally purchased the RSV-CE 2cnd Edition. As far as type, page layout, paper etc. it is a thousand percent better than the Ignatius RSV-CE 1st. As a conservative Anglican I prefer having a Bible with the Deutero-Canonical books. As far as translation goes it is better than the standard Protestant RSV . That being said I still feel that the recent ESV (English Standard Version) is slightly better than the RSV. But I am happy with the RSV-CE 2cnd Ed. and will definitely be using it

 

[lanceg]

Three days ago I finally purchased the RSV-CE 2cnd Edition. As far as type, page layout, paper etc. it is a thousand percent better than the Ignatius RSV-CE 1st. As a conservative Anglican I prefer having a Bible with the Deutero-Canonical books. As far as translation goes it is better than the standard Protestant RSV . That being said I still feel that the recent ESV (English Standard Version) is slightly better than the RSV. But I am happy with the RSV-CE 2cnd Ed. and will definitely be using it

I too, enjoy the ESV; it is an excellent successor to the original 1952 RSV.

It is an excellent translation. I do not use it for my main bible for two reasons:

1. It has no deutero-canon
2. I do not like the way it waters down the classic passage in 1 Timothy 3:15 on the church as the pillar and bulwark of truth.

Otherwise, I think that the RSV 2nd Catholic edition is the best choice for Catholics, and I would suggest for Eastern Orthodox and traditional Anglican, too.

 

[lak611]

Otherwise, I think that the RSV 2nd Catholic edition is the best choice for Catholics, and I would suggest for Eastern Orthodox and traditional Anglican, too.

The Orthodox are currently working on their own translation. It will be the NKJV, with the deuterocanonical books added, along with revisions using the Septuagint. I do not understand why the Orthodox have not just translated the Septuagint into English and then translated the Greek New Testament into English. I do plan to purchase the Orthodox Study Bible when it is complete, however.

 

[lanceg]

The Orthodox are currently working on their own translation. It will be the NKJV, with the deuterocanonical books added, along with revisions using the Septuagint. I do not understand why the Orthodox have not just translated the Septuagint into English and then translated the Greek New Testament into English. I do plan to purchase the Orthodox Study Bible when it is complete, however.

I am aware of the Orthodox Study Bible, and I actually have one, the New Testament & Psalms, which have been published for awhile. I love the notes, I am not enamored of the NKJV translations. I wish they had either used the original KJV, or the RSV. My understanding is, that they are using the NKJV as a boiler plate for the Old Testament, bringing it into conformity with the Septuagint. I assume that they are translating fresh the Deutero-canon. But as far as I know, they will still have the original NKJV for the NT, which is disappointing.

I do look forward to seeing the complete bible, which is slated to be released next Pascha (Easter) season.

However, as a Byzantine Catholic, I still will prefer the Catholic RSV, and I am sure that many Orthodox will still prefer to use the RSV ecumenical edition with the Apocrypha. A Greek Orthodox priest told me that the RSV Oxford Annotated Bible is still the one that is common in Orthodox Seminaries.

The quality of the Orthodox Study Bible Old Testament translation may greatly influence how broadly it will be used.

 

[lak611]

However, as a Byzantine Catholic, I still will prefer the Catholic RSV, and I am sure that many Orthodox will still prefer to use the RSV ecumenical edition with the Apocrypha. A Greek Orthodox priest told me that the RSV Oxford Annotated Bible is still the one that is common in Orthodox Seminaries.

In addition to owning the RSV-CE, I also have the New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha RSV. I purchased it so I would have those books that are recognized by the Orthodox but considered Apocryphal by Catholics.

 

[lanceg]

In addition to owning the RSV-CE, I also have the New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha RSV. I purchased it so I would have those books that are recognized by the Orthodox but considered Apocryphal by Catholics.

I lucked out and found an Oxford Study Bible used for only $10. It is the first, 1965 edition, so it does not have 3rd and 4th Maccabees or Psalm 151, as the New Oxford RSV of 1977 which is still in print does.

 

[paramedicgirl]

People,

Since we’re discussing Luke 1:28 here: we KNOW the RSV-xCE renders it as “Hail, full of grace.” Excellent.

Now - this same verse from the Canadian lectionary which is based on the NRSV: how is it rendered there?

I’m pretty sure it’s Hail O favoured one. Unless they changed it since I heard it last. The CCCB has bought into the inclusive and non-offensive language for their Lectionaries.

 

[paramedicgirl]

I might add that my priest told me that Rome does not approve of the Lectionary that Canada uses, but in Canada, we don’t even follow the GIRM or Humane Vitae, so why would the CCCB bother with an approved translation for the readings?

 

[KatholikosMercy]

Hey y’all,

Am finally so sick of my NAB that I’m going to shell out the money to get a new bible (despite my husband’s snarky comments about me becoming a bible snob ).

Does anyone have a RSV-CE in front of them and can tell me, beyond a doubt, that Luke 1:28 says “full of Grace”, rather than the horrible “highly favored daughter”?

I looked up the RSV online, but found the Protestant version of it, which has the verse as “O favored one”, which isn’t going to work for me.

Plus, are there footnotes on the same page as the scriptures, or are they in the back? (I get distracted easily by the footnotes)

Thanks for taking the time to respond. Now I just have to get over the fact that I wasted my Catholic Answers Topic Tabs on my NAB

Cheers,
C

Here is the scoop on Catholic Editions and which ones to read for accuracy:

Bible Versions and Commentaries

I highly recommend the Ignatius RSV CE for readability.

Also:

This is a Free Protestant Bible program but you CAN get the Douay Rheims version in it and also the Literal Translation of the Vulgate as well as the Anti-Nicene Fathers all free.

It makes it possible to search for a key word in the bible as well as do comparisons between versions easily.

 

[KatholikosMercy]

I might add that my priest told me that Rome does not approve of the Lectionary that Canada uses, but in Canada, we don’t even follow the GIRM or Humane Vitae, so why would the CCCB bother with an approved translation for the readings?

Do you think Rome will conceed to the CCCB?

Is that what they did on Communion in the hand?

What exactly does not following Humane Vitae mean?

 

[Manfred]

I might add that my priest told me that Rome does not approve of the Lectionary that Canada uses, but in Canada, we don’t even follow the GIRM or Humane Vitae, so why would the CCCB bother with an approved translation for the readings?

HOW do they get away with this?

I hope, at least, that the CCCB is preparing a lectionary to replace this “provisional” edition. That’s “provisional”, as in “since 1992”.

 

[japhy]

People,

Since we’re discussing Luke 1:28 here: we KNOW the RSV-xCE renders it as “Hail, full of grace.” Excellent.

Now - this same verse from the Canadian lectionary which is based on the NRSV: how is it rendered there?

I have a Scripture study book published by Loyola Press entitled “Becoming a Prayerful Person” which uses the 1993/1989 NRSV Catholic Edition translation, and Luke 1:28 is poor: “Greetings, favored one!” The notes afterward say:

1:26-38. “Greetings, favored one!” Or, as the older translation put it, “Hail, full of grace.” Gabriel’s words are an affirmation of Mary’s holiness; in fact, the Church refers to them in its teaching that God preserved Mary, through her entire life, from any stain of sin. But “favored one” strikes other notes also. …]"

 

[paramedicgirl]

Do you think Rome will conceed to the CCCB?

Is that what they did on Communion in the hand?

What exactly does not following Humane Vitae mean?

The CCCB denied Humane Vitae 39 years ago, and has not rescinded their rejection of this Papal Encyclical. If you go to my blog post on it, and follow the links there, you can find out quite a bit about the situation.

Re: RSV CE Lectionary - My priest told me that Rome has tried to get the CCCB to use a different (read better) translation, and he says it will happen, given time, but things move very slowly.

Re: GIRM - The CCCB decided to present Rome with their own “improvements” to the GIRM, and the paperwork for that is in Limbo, so to speak. So now, six or seven years later, we still don’t have a GIRM, because they are waiting for the Vatican to approve their requests for changes in the GIRM.

 

[paramedicgirl]

The CCCB denied Humane Vitae 39 years ago, and has not rescinded their rejection of this Papal Encyclical. If you go to my blog post on it, and follow the links there, you can find out quite a bit about the situation.

Re: RSV CE Lectionary - My priest told me that Rome has tried to get the CCCB to use a different (read better) translation, and he says it will happen, given time, but things move very slowly.

Re: GIRM - The CCCB decided to present Rome with their own “improvements” to the GIRM, and the paperwork for that is in Limbo, so to speak. So now, six or seven years later, we still don’t have a GIRM, because they are waiting for the Vatican to approve their requests for changes in the GIRM.