RSV-CE Needs Corrections

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DaveBj:
The genitive case is the possessive case. And the usage in the KJV is completely regular (= every time the possessed word starts with a vowel not preceded by a consonant, the -ne form is used).

I agree that the use of thee/thou/thy/thine is an archaism that should be removed.

DaveBj
Thanks for your response. I would appreciate it if you would, however, take a look at the usage table at the page at Wikipedia that I linked to (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thine) . It precisely says otherwise, as it specifically denotes a difference between the genitive case and the possessive case. The following two pages also denote a clear difference.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possessive_case
and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genitive_case .

Thanks
 
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DaveBj:
The genitive case is the possessive case. And the usage in the KJV is completely regular (= every time the possessed word starts with a vowel not preceded by a consonant, the -ne form is used).

I agree that the use of thee/thou/thy/thine is an archaism that should be removed.

DaveBj
Thanks for your response. I would appreciate it if you would, however, take a look at the usage table at the page at Wikipedia that I linked to (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thine) . It precisely says otherwise, as it specifically denotes a difference between the genitive case and the possessive case. The following two pages also denote a clear difference.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possessive_case
and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genitive_case .

Thanks
 
Nope, the gold flakes are falling off mine as well. That seems to be the only problem with mine!
 
Nope, the gold flakes are falling off mine as well. That seems to be the only problem with mine!
 
jpy15026 said:
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Mike ,*
*My copy of the RSV-CE 2nd edition arrived today. I ordered the leather version. *

Mine came two days ago on Saturday,(leather also) and the gold leaf is already flaking off everywhere .Hows everyone elses? Did I just get a bad one?
John

Mine doesn’t seem to exhibit this problem. However, I’ve only had it for a few hours.
 
jpy15026 said:
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Mike ,*
*My copy of the RSV-CE 2nd edition arrived today. I ordered the leather version. *

Mine came two days ago on Saturday,(leather also) and the gold leaf is already flaking off everywhere .Hows everyone elses? Did I just get a bad one?
John

Mine doesn’t seem to exhibit this problem. However, I’ve only had it for a few hours.
 
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Manfred:
What think ye, brethren?

My Reasons:
  • There is not likely to be either a new revision of the Douay-Rheims-Challoner version of the Bible or a translation into English of the Nova Vulgata.
  • The RSV-CE is, by almost all indications, the preferred text used by Catholic apologists and contemporary Catholic scriptural scholars.
Malachi 1:11 in the RSV-CE reads, “incense” instead of “sacrifice,” as found in the Douay-Rheims. “Sacrifice” is also the translation found in the New American Bible, which is shocking because they translate Luke 1:28 “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.”

It seems to demonstrate what Father Corapi said on one of his Catechism shows, that no translation is perfect. However I feel the best Catholic Translation is the Douay-Rheims; only because of the verses you mention above. Next I favor the RSV-CE, it is the one I use when instructing my RCIA class and the one I recommend for those who don’t like reading Old English. For those who have come from a background in which they learned to love the King James Bible, I recommend the Douay-Rheims.

Sometimes I myself have to read the RSV-CE just so I can understand some of the verses in the Douay-Rheims, the Old English can be confusing at times and there are some Latin words still within the text.
 
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Manfred:
What think ye, brethren?

My Reasons:
  • There is not likely to be either a new revision of the Douay-Rheims-Challoner version of the Bible or a translation into English of the Nova Vulgata.
  • The RSV-CE is, by almost all indications, the preferred text used by Catholic apologists and contemporary Catholic scriptural scholars.
Malachi 1:11 in the RSV-CE reads, “incense” instead of “sacrifice,” as found in the Douay-Rheims. “Sacrifice” is also the translation found in the New American Bible, which is shocking because they translate Luke 1:28 “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.”

It seems to demonstrate what Father Corapi said on one of his Catechism shows, that no translation is perfect. However I feel the best Catholic Translation is the Douay-Rheims; only because of the verses you mention above. Next I favor the RSV-CE, it is the one I use when instructing my RCIA class and the one I recommend for those who don’t like reading Old English. For those who have come from a background in which they learned to love the King James Bible, I recommend the Douay-Rheims.

Sometimes I myself have to read the RSV-CE just so I can understand some of the verses in the Douay-Rheims, the Old English can be confusing at times and there are some Latin words still within the text.
 
Psalm45:9:
Malachi 1:11 in the RSV-CE reads, “incense” instead of “sacrifice,” as found in the Douay-Rheims. “Sacrifice” is also the translation found in the New American Bible, which is shocking because they translate Luke 1:28 “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.”

It seems to demonstrate what Father Corapi said on one of his Catechism shows, that no translation is perfect. However I feel the best Catholic Translation is the Douay-Rheims; only because of the verses you mention above. Next I favor the RSV-CE, it is the one I use when instructing my RCIA class and the one I recommend for those who don’t like reading Old English. For those who have come from a background in which they learned to love the King James Bible, I recommend the Douay-Rheims.

Sometimes I myself have to read the RSV-CE just so I can understand some of the verses in the Douay-Rheims, the Old English can be confusing at times and there are some Latin words still within the text.
Out of curiosity, I looked-up Malachi 1:11 in my copy of “A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture,” which is based on the DR. I found it interesting that it says, “The LXX [Septuagint] translates, probably correctly: ‘In every place incense is offered to my name and a pure oblation’. It is certainly worthy of remark that whenever the Sacrifice of the New Testament is offered with full ritual, the use of incense is an integral part of the sacred function.”
 
Psalm45:9:
Malachi 1:11 in the RSV-CE reads, “incense” instead of “sacrifice,” as found in the Douay-Rheims. “Sacrifice” is also the translation found in the New American Bible, which is shocking because they translate Luke 1:28 “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.”

It seems to demonstrate what Father Corapi said on one of his Catechism shows, that no translation is perfect. However I feel the best Catholic Translation is the Douay-Rheims; only because of the verses you mention above. Next I favor the RSV-CE, it is the one I use when instructing my RCIA class and the one I recommend for those who don’t like reading Old English. For those who have come from a background in which they learned to love the King James Bible, I recommend the Douay-Rheims.

Sometimes I myself have to read the RSV-CE just so I can understand some of the verses in the Douay-Rheims, the Old English can be confusing at times and there are some Latin words still within the text.
Out of curiosity, I looked-up Malachi 1:11 in my copy of “A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture,” which is based on the DR. I found it interesting that it says, “The LXX [Septuagint] translates, probably correctly: ‘In every place incense is offered to my name and a pure oblation’. It is certainly worthy of remark that whenever the Sacrifice of the New Testament is offered with full ritual, the use of incense is an integral part of the sacred function.”
 
Psalm45:9:
Malachi 1:11 in the RSV-CE reads, “incense” instead of “sacrifice,” as found in the Douay-Rheims. “Sacrifice” is also the translation found in the New American Bible, which is shocking because they translate Luke 1:28 “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.”

It seems to demonstrate what Father Corapi said on one of his Catechism shows, that no translation is perfect. However I feel the best Catholic Translation is the Douay-Rheims; only because of the verses you mention above. Next I favor the RSV-CE, it is the one I use when instructing my RCIA class and the one I recommend for those who don’t like reading Old English. For those who have come from a background in which they learned to love the King James Bible, I recommend the Douay-Rheims.

Sometimes I myself have to read the RSV-CE just so I can understand some of the verses in the Douay-Rheims, the Old English can be confusing at times and there are some Latin words still within the text.
One other thing I wanted to mention was that I have to agree with your assessment that there is no prefect translation. All of them seem to have traits that are desirable, but no one translation is completely satisfying. I have also heard Fr. Corapi talk about the imperfection of translations. I’ve also heard him say that he prefers the RSV-CE, despite its imperfections.
 
Psalm45:9:
Malachi 1:11 in the RSV-CE reads, “incense” instead of “sacrifice,” as found in the Douay-Rheims. “Sacrifice” is also the translation found in the New American Bible, which is shocking because they translate Luke 1:28 “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.”

It seems to demonstrate what Father Corapi said on one of his Catechism shows, that no translation is perfect. However I feel the best Catholic Translation is the Douay-Rheims; only because of the verses you mention above. Next I favor the RSV-CE, it is the one I use when instructing my RCIA class and the one I recommend for those who don’t like reading Old English. For those who have come from a background in which they learned to love the King James Bible, I recommend the Douay-Rheims.

Sometimes I myself have to read the RSV-CE just so I can understand some of the verses in the Douay-Rheims, the Old English can be confusing at times and there are some Latin words still within the text.
One other thing I wanted to mention was that I have to agree with your assessment that there is no prefect translation. All of them seem to have traits that are desirable, but no one translation is completely satisfying. I have also heard Fr. Corapi talk about the imperfection of translations. I’ve also heard him say that he prefers the RSV-CE, despite its imperfections.
 
Fr. Corapi suggested a change to RSV-CE that strongly occurs to me,

Make the font larger.

Why are Catholic Bible publishers so reluctant to make a large print version? Gosh, isn’t it almost sinful not to make a Bible “accessible”?
 
Fr. Corapi suggested a change to RSV-CE that strongly occurs to me,

Make the font larger.

Why are Catholic Bible publishers so reluctant to make a large print version? Gosh, isn’t it almost sinful not to make a Bible “accessible”?
 
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mike0219116:
Out of curiosity, I looked-up Malachi 1:11 in my copy of “A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture,” which is based on the DR. I found it interesting that it says, “The LXX [Septuagint] translates, probably correctly: ‘In every place incense is offered to my name and a pure oblation’. It is certainly worthy of remark that whenever the Sacrifice of the New Testament is offered with full ritual, the use of incense is an integral part of the sacred function.”
Thanks for mentioning this. While I had initially mentioned the Malachi verse from reading it elsewhere (albeit cutting and pasting from there and misspelling it as “Malichi”), it was not a function of my knowledge sohwing through. I do not know which is the better translation in this case. I noticed that another poster, Psalm45:9, mentioned it as well. Could it be that this is one of those places where we should rely on the LXX? How does the Masoretic Text translate into English here? Might it be that the traditional DRV fails in this particular case?
 
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mike0219116:
Out of curiosity, I looked-up Malachi 1:11 in my copy of “A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture,” which is based on the DR. I found it interesting that it says, “The LXX [Septuagint] translates, probably correctly: ‘In every place incense is offered to my name and a pure oblation’. It is certainly worthy of remark that whenever the Sacrifice of the New Testament is offered with full ritual, the use of incense is an integral part of the sacred function.”
Thanks for mentioning this. While I had initially mentioned the Malachi verse from reading it elsewhere (albeit cutting and pasting from there and misspelling it as “Malichi”), it was not a function of my knowledge sohwing through. I do not know which is the better translation in this case. I noticed that another poster, Psalm45:9, mentioned it as well. Could it be that this is one of those places where we should rely on the LXX? How does the Masoretic Text translate into English here? Might it be that the traditional DRV fails in this particular case?
 
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Crumpy:
Fr. Corapi suggested a change to RSV-CE that strongly occurs to me,

Make the font larger.

Why are Catholic Bible publishers so reluctant to make a large print version? Gosh, isn’t it almost sinful not to make a Bible “accessible”?
I think the font size/style of the RSV-CE is actually incorporated into its copyright. If you look at the first edition Ignatius Bible and the RSV-CE published by Scepter, the font and layout are exactly the same. Just yesterday I saw a program on EWTN where Fr. Corapi was talking about the Navarre Bible series and how much he liked it since his doctorate is from Navarre. Anyway, he was complaining about the small font size in those Bibles and how it could not be altered by the publisher. If you check out the link to Jimmy Akin’s blog earlier in this thread, somebody from Ignatius mentions the fact that they originally could not place the footnotes to the RSV-CE with the scripture itself, but rather had to leave them at the end of the Old and New Testaments because of restrictions placed on them. I am assuming that Ignatius has struck some sort of deal with the copyright holder of the RSV-CE (the Catholic Biblical Association of Great Britain) that is permitting them to make these revisions to the text.
 
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Crumpy:
Fr. Corapi suggested a change to RSV-CE that strongly occurs to me,

Make the font larger.

Why are Catholic Bible publishers so reluctant to make a large print version? Gosh, isn’t it almost sinful not to make a Bible “accessible”?
I think the font size/style of the RSV-CE is actually incorporated into its copyright. If you look at the first edition Ignatius Bible and the RSV-CE published by Scepter, the font and layout are exactly the same. Just yesterday I saw a program on EWTN where Fr. Corapi was talking about the Navarre Bible series and how much he liked it since his doctorate is from Navarre. Anyway, he was complaining about the small font size in those Bibles and how it could not be altered by the publisher. If you check out the link to Jimmy Akin’s blog earlier in this thread, somebody from Ignatius mentions the fact that they originally could not place the footnotes to the RSV-CE with the scripture itself, but rather had to leave them at the end of the Old and New Testaments because of restrictions placed on them. I am assuming that Ignatius has struck some sort of deal with the copyright holder of the RSV-CE (the Catholic Biblical Association of Great Britain) that is permitting them to make these revisions to the text.
 
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