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You mean to say you don’t even want to look at the two side by side and examine them together charitably? What’s wrong with that???

DustinsDad

DustinsDad, I don’t think JKirk was really referring to the comparing the two **Charitably (**keyword “charitably”).

 

[DustinsDad]

DustinsDad, I don’t think JKirk was really referring to the comparing the two **Charitably (**keyword “charitably”).

That’s the groundrules set forth by the admin. If it drifts into uncharitableness, threads get closed and posts get deleted. Again - what’s the problem?

Further, I’d say uncomfortableness on the part of the reader is not the same as uncharitableness on part of the writer.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad

 

[St_Isidore]

DustinsDad, I don’t think JKirk was really referring to the comparing the two **Charitably (**keyword “charitably”).

The Administrators have restored the comparisons, and with good reason. One should not be upset for this.but have confidence that that you can see the differences and comment. Traditionalists have no fear and welcome the visualization of the Pauline Rite beside the TLM. The contrast can only be beneficial to all, and it is a chance for many to know more about the Pauline rite and the TLM. It really is of no consequence since the TLM is not deficient in any way.

 

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That’s the groundrules set forth by the admin. If it drifts into uncharitableness, threads get closed and posts get deleted. Again - what’s the problem?

Further, I’d say uncomfortableness on the part of the reader is not the same as uncharitableness on part of the writer.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad

Yes, those are rules but, IMHO, they have not been followed close in the last couple of weeks.

Please understand this, I do not mean this to say that the Moderator are not doing their job. They are over worked & I would not like to have their job.
Basically, I should not be speaking for JKirk. I don’t know if he is still around. Sorry if I offended you or any one else, **especially **JKirk!

 

[Ad_Deum]

There are differant Anglican/Episcopalian services. Some identical to the Novus Ordo, others are quite similar to the Tridentine.

I’m not sure if such a comparison chart exists.

You are right about that, there are two rites in the episcopal/anglican church, one is absolutely similar to the NOM (The Book of Common Prayer Rite 2), and the other is nearly similar or it’s a little different from the TLM, and it is in English (The Anglican Missal of 1928).

Pax
Laudater Jesus Christus
Instaurare omnia in Christo

 

[latinmasslover]

A very big mistake as far as I’m concerned. When I 1st. came to CAF, I called myself a Traditional Catholic and was praying for the return of the TLM but, not any longer! I have watched and stayed active in this sub forum since it’s beginning and a few have come and gone and a few are members who have nothing better to do than trash the Novus Ordo but, yet even worst, you few are trashing our Holy Father and Holy John Paul II. If that’s what it takes to be a Traditionalist, then I’m not even a Catholic!

The death of John Paul II brought me back to the Church after 30 + years away. I cried like a baby upon learning of his death. The same few rather than pray for his canonization to Sainthood condemn him to hell, **YES, RIGHT ON THIS FORUM!!! **
One thing for sure, if I go to hell I won’t be alone.
I was a 4th. Degree K of C when we lost the TLM & because of that I remained in the Church. But, then I realized I was telling people I was a Catholic because of being a Knight when I should have been saying I was a Knight because I was a Catholic & that is when I stopped going to Church. I never ever denounced my religion or my belief in the Apostle’s Creed! Yes, that’s what the change did to me & many other Knights!

I’m not that smart when it comes to schooling and has trouble expressing myself but, I’m not stupid. It’s just flat wrong when these few with their slick and cunning ways sneak into a thread and turn it into another blaspheme on our Holy Father & JP II.

There is not another person alive who **loved our Lady of **Fatima as much as John Paul did! How dare you call him a liar and a heretic by throwing up an unfaithful priest, Guner and his ridicules website (fatima.org/) as for prove of everything you have posted.

JKirk, being a convert, you are truly affecting his faith in the Catholic Church. Neither I nor you would ever be the MAN he is!

So, YES, I see this, opening this forum up for comparing the OF & the TLM, is one big mistake because of these few.

**Just read this one thread to see what is happening!!!
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Wake up & smell the roses, the ROSES of Our Lady of Fatima!

May God have mercy on us all!

Condemning some actions of the pope that were wrong is not condemning the pope; check out the definition of papal infallibility. We’re not the ones using cunning language to lead people to “our” way of thinking, we just tell it like it is and in return get mockery and accusations. JPII did a lot of good, but he also compromised quite a bit. I don’t doubt his intentions one bit, but the fact remains that some of his decisions were wrong, and in some cases sinful, unfortunately. He confessed weekly, possibly for inactivity? I’m not judging him in saying that, as I dealt with the exact same thing with my sister, not knowing where to draw the line between truth and charity…it can be a difficult call. I believe he was trying to make the best of a bad situation; some calls were good, some weren’t.

When I came back to the Church I also was nurtured by the Novus Ordo. When I first began studying the differences I wept frequently, and still do sometimes, at the changes. I’m not referring to the anti-NO material, but an honest study of the differences. To be quite honest, it sickens me, literally; but I still attend Sundays when the TLM is unavailable.

One last note, to abandon the “traditionalist movement,” which is nothing more than the Catholic movement, because of some harsh statements made by some traditionalists is nothing but a Lutheran imitation. Continue to refer yourself as a traditional Catholic and set a good example. Personally, I only refer to myself as traditional because I don’t want to be confused with the mainstream liberals who are so indifferent to facts you’d think they were Protestant.

 

[bear06]

You mean to say you don’t even want to look at the two side by side and examine them together charitably? What’s wrong with that???

DustinsDad

I, for one, have no trouble with this. That said, it doesn’t seem to be able to be done charitably which is why the rule was started in the first place and why it will probably appear again in the future.

For those of you who don’t remember what it was like before the rule, I suggest you do a little search. There can be no comparison, as some have already shown on this thread, without out one group bashing a Mass. One should be able to talk about “their” Mass without deriding the other but there are very few that can do this. Thanks to those like AJV and Andreas who have managed to do it.

I’d like to know why it was lifted? What is hoped to be gained by this?

 

[beckers]

How about you just avoid the Traditional Catholic thread? I intend to do so. I’ve been avoiding the “veil” thingie for almost a month, and kept active in other threads.

I agree with avoiding this sub forum most of the time (except i like the veil thingie and about the only topic i will talk about, though i think it should get moved to the litgury & sacrments forum). Why do i not like this sub-fourm the most? Because i always get this vibe that there are people here who believe they are smarter than the pope and their word or ideas are better insteading of trusting the holy spirit to guide the church. I have seen more nasty name calling in these forum then any other except back when we could talk politics. Reminds of a saying “Some people are more catholic then the Catholic church”.

 

[Indyann]

I agree with avoiding this sub forum most of the time (except i like the veil thingie and about the only topic i will talk about, though i think it should get moved to the litgury & sacrments forum). Why do i not like this sub-fourm the most? Because i always get this vibe that there are people here who believe they are smarter than the pope and their word or ideas are better insteading of trusting the holy spirit to guide the church. I have seen more nasty name calling in these forum then any other except back when we could talk politics. Reminds of a saying “Some people are more catholic then the Catholic church”.

I, too, will be avoiding this sub-forum. However, when I see people denegrating our Holy Father, labeling John Paul II as a liar and a sinner, I cannot let it pass.

This sub-forum has been divisive since its inception and now will be even more so.