Rumors about Benedict supporting Hitler

[Evanescence]

There is every likelihood that the church will reverse some of its current teachings as well. There are many current controversies in which the church is opposed by both religious and secular forces. Some examples in the area of human sexuality are: Priestly celibacy, female ordination, use of effective methods of birth control, equal rights for homosexuals, including the right to marry, pre-marital sex, in-vitro fertilization, abortion, emergency contraception, a.k.a. “the morning after pill.” It quite possible that these controversies will be settled in favor of secular ideas, and that the church will eventually admit its errors. One might envision a scenario in which a pope in the year 3000 issues a similar “*Memory and Reconciliation” document, *recognizing past errors and apologizing for past sins, some committed at this time.








That was mentioned by the jw I was talking to anything I can say?

What is wrong these days? its like as if something is wrong with every church, churches are to busy critisizing eachother that you wonder which church is the true one cause there seems to be something wrong with all of them!

Why does christianity have to have such a divide and is so corrupt? other religions like buddhism can at leeast stick together

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[Evanescence]

The flow won’t stop…

student.ucsf.edu/synapse/current_issue/papal.html

Pope John Paul II has also been, albeit incorrectly, named “The Woman’s Pope.” While on July 10, 1995, he defended women’s rights and apologized for injustices and historical denigration of women in the name of Christ, he also continued to highlight the “diversity of roles,” that Catholics believe make the genders so different. In a classic example of rigid and absurdly antiquated beliefs, he forbade women the use of contraceptives, including disease-preventing condoms. In Africa, he has more blame in the spread of HIV/AIDS than any other leader or congressman. I wonder how he could not consider these proclamations against contraception an infringement on women’s rights

Baptized Catholics in the USA (America) constitute only 6% of the total world baptized Catholics.

Yet, it seems to me from my research that over 90% of Catholic pedophile priests are in the USA (America). I’ve seen a couple of cases in Mexico (America) and none in the other Latin American (America) countries.

In my opinion, contributing money to a church to settle priest pedophile lawsuits is a big joke. What a waste of money. Think how those settlements could help Nicaragua and other 3rd world countries.

It used to be that people donated to churches to aid good causes and now people donate to settle child molestation lawsuits. What a world that we are living in today!

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/04/national/04kentucky.html?t h&emc=th

COVINGTON, Ky., June 3 (AP) - The Roman Catholic Diocese of Covington agreed on Friday to set up a $120 million fund to compensate victims of child-molesting priests and other employees. The sum is the biggest settlement in the scandal that has staggered the Catholic church in the United States.

Last year, the Catholic Diocese of Orange County, Calif., agreed to a settlement that participants said would pay $100 million to 87 victims. In 2003, the Boston archdiocese, where the scandal erupted, settled with 552 victims for $85 million.

Covington is far smaller than Boston, the nation’s fourth-largest diocese with 2.1 million parishioners. The Covington Diocese covers 14 counties and has 89,000 parishioners. The suit covers some counties in the diocese until 1988, when the church formed a diocese in Lexington. (My note: U$1,348 per each Covington parishioner).

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[wcknight]

Methinks mr Evanescence is not a Catholic as he claims. Why else would he go out of his way to bring up so such bias and anti-Catholic writings ???

It is clear that the Catholic Church in its leadership and it many individual members, clergy etc did all it could to resist the evils of Nazism. More so than any other group or any other individuals, the priests, bishops and popes during the pre-war and war years did more to alleviate persecutions and sufferings of the jews and other minorities.

Pius XI, Pius II and the future pope John XXIII saved thousands of jews. They ordered the clergy to hide and export jews out of occupied territories, they registered thousands of jews as Catholics when they really had no afflilation. They even enlisted hundreds of jews as Swiss guards to escape facism in Italy.

Hilter and Mussolini wanted the pope(s) asassinated. It is not by coincidence that during the war years the Swiss guards were ordered to switch from carrying swords and halberks to machine guns. They fully expected to be attacked by facists or nazis.

What Schindler did for a few hundred jews, the popes did for thousands.

The courage and tireless efforts that they made on behalf of those suffering persecution under facism both in German occupied areas and in Italy were no less than heroic. They are being considered for sainthood and deservedly so.

The popes, during the war years, were a great inspiration for Catholics for all generations. They made up the equivalent underground railroad for Europe and the jews, just as some did for slaves in America.

For anyone to cast dispersions on the Catholic Church and its reaction to Nazism is just plain stupid ! All the evidence points to the opposite. Thousands of jews benefited from assistance from the Church and they are all eyewitnesses to the Truth. One or two jack***es, who do not do their research properly, are not about to change history.

Pius XI and Pius XII are two of my favorite heroes, and they will become two of my favorite saints.

wc

 

[wcknight]

“… Many reversals in Church teachings in the last five years” ???

REALLY ???,

please name a couple… or at least name one.

 

[Evanescence]

mr Evanescence is not a Catholic as he claims.

:crying: YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MEAN!!!

Firstly it’s Miss Evanescence I am a GIRL!

And secondly I AM a Catholic!

I was asking these questions because I was talking to an ex-jw on a different forum, I was only posting what he said and asked anyone here if I could say anything to defend the faith!

Here is the link to prove it! jwforum.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2874&PN=1

Evanescence

 

[wcknight]

:crying: YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MEAN!!!

Firstly it’s Miss Evanescence I am a GIRL!

And secondly I AM a Catholic!

I was asking these questions because I was talking to an ex-jw on a different forum, I was only posting what he said and asked anyone here if I could say anything to defend the faith!

Here is the link to prove it! jwforum.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2874&PN=1

Evanescence

So Sorry, I stand corrected and apologize profusely !

 

[iwonder]

Evanescence:

What about this website?

nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

Evanescence

Yes, what about it? I tried yours and now maybe you can try mine.

• [carmelnet.org/titus/titus.htm](http://carmelnet.org/titus/titus.htm)

 

[Liberian]

Evanescence,

Whoops, sorry, I didn’t realize the subject had changed. I was still defending Pius XII from John Cornwell and the others. If I may reply to the flood of other charges …

Regarding the priest abuse scandal, there really isn’t a lot to say to defend the conduct of the Church. I would point out, though, that the conduct of individual priests (and there have been VERY few abusive priests–one thing that made it look so bad was that all the cases from the previous forty years were coming out all at once) and bishops does not invalidate the message of the Church. If anything, it helps with Voltaire’s proof of the correctness of the Catholic Church: for anything that messed up to have lasted this long, it would take a miracle.

I might add that the abuse scandal is certainly not the worst thing that has befallen the Church. The state of the Church just before the Reformation was considerably worse.

Another interesting note: the cases of abuse seem to be concentrated in the same places where dissent from Catholic teaching is the strongest. I don’t know of a single case from the Diocese of Lincoln, Nebraska, where some years ago Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz announced that members of several dissident organizations were excommunicated.

Regarding whether the Church should step up its rate of “disfellowshipping,” that is an administrative and pastoral matter that I will not venture to address. Excommunication is a lot like a death sentence (although more reversible if the person being excommunicated repents) and a lot more serious because it involves matters of eternal life and not just life on earth.

Regarding the Pope’s apology for past errors, these were apologies for erroneous actions and practices, not for theological errors. So your friend’s conclusion that “any Roman Catholic who follows controversial Church teachings may well be contributing to present-day errors within the church” is mistaken. Many of the “controversial Church teachings” he cites aren’t really all that controversial in the sense that there aren’t any good logical arguments against them; most of what I hear is “I should be allowed to do this because I want to do this.”

Galileo’s crime, by the way, was not that he taught the Copernican theory of the solar system. It was that he wrote his “dialogue” in such a way as to make fun of the Pope at a time when the Pope’s authority was under severe attack. In fact, the first people to confirm Galileo’s discoveries were some Jesuit astronomers working at the Vatican.

John Paul’s forbidding of illicit means of preventing AIDS and other diseases is simple theology that you can find in the Bible. It is simply that the ends do not justify the means. Suppose somebody said “Let’s solve the problem of starvation in Africa by killing everybody there who was born on a Tuesday.” Would you be horrified? I certainly would be. And then when we object, the person accuses us “What, don’t you care about the starving people of Africa?”

… and the beat goes on. Ask the questions, you’ll find the answers. Most of the criticism of the Church can easily be shown to be either inaccurate or irrelevant. I hope this rather lengthy post helps.

• Liberian

 

[Roman_Army]

Evanescence:

Hi i’m sorry if this thread has already been done but there has been romours that Pope Benedict our current pope used to work for Hitlar.
What can we say about these rumours?

Evanescence

Pope Benedict XVI (former Cardinal Ratzinger) was in the “Hitler Youth.” The Hitler youth was a branch of the Nazi military that drafted and trained young teens early in case they needed them for later on in the war. Remember that Germany was being hit hard from all fronts in the war, and what happens after they lose so many men of 18-35? They usually start putting children and teens to fight. Which is the case now in some parts of Africa, sadly. It was not a choice for young Joseph Ratzinger, he was drafted. However, later on he decided to go AWOL. That was obviously a big risk since he could’ve been killed, jailed, or severely punished for doing so. Then he continued his seminary studies. I think he was in the seminary at the time.

 

[Roman_Army]

PS: I don’t think they were ever able to use the “Hitler Youth.” The war ended before it got that bad.

 

[mlchance]

PS: I don’t think they were ever able to use the “Hitler Youth.” The war ended before it got that bad.

Not true. For example, the Hitler Youth and the Volksturm were both drafted for the defense of Berlin against the invading Soviets. To say these boys and old men did not do well against their Communist foes is an understatement.

– Mark L. Chance.