Rumour: Rome Accepts SSPX's Response

[G_Sarto]

It’s not the SSPX who are “asking” for “full communion” (whatever that means). Why would you, when as far as you’re concerned, you’re already kosher?

Bishop Fellay is asking for discussion of the doctrinal aspects of Vatican II. Something a lot of people in the Church will go to great lengths to avoid, for many obvious reasons.

 

[rien]

I believe Rome is offering a personal apostolic administration.

Yes that is waht i assume. It would give them control somewhat over the naming of bishops? As China now has - course China is not a personal orekature.

I just don’t see the SPPX giving up control of their bishops when it is quite possible the next Pope will not be so accomodating. But for the fact they have a personal prelature agreement to hold true to or the SPPX would righfully leave again if the agreement was viloated by Rome.

 

[BrendanD]

Yes that is waht i assume. It would give them control somewhat over the naming of bishops? As China now has - course China is not a personal orekature.

I just don’t see the SPPX giving up control of their bishops when it is quite possible the next Pope will not be so accomodating. But for the fact they have a personal prelature agreement to hold true to or the SPPX would righfully leave again if the agreement was viloated by Rome.

I think (guess) the SSPX would elect their own bishop subject to Papal approval.

 

[rien]

I think (guess) the SSPX would elect their own bishop subject to Papal approval.

Something like that. or “elect” 3 choices one of which the Pope has to approve. The eastern churches choose their own bishops I think and basically Rome has to “rubber stamp” them.

But what happens to the FSSP? It seems with a personal prelature for the SPPX, they become redundant. Unless they themselves become part of that prelature.

Also, with the MP, if it ever gains much hold, the SPPX prelature could fade into non-existence eventually. it seems like a middle way for Rome. I am sure that is a worry for the SPPX.

Personally I’d use the SPPX, if they ever returned, as sort of another Jesuits. Direct the expansion to missionary countries or Bible belt/Mormon areas in the US.

I frankly see no future for an SPPX presence in diocese like St. Louis and others which are welcoming the EF.

 

[BrendanD]

But what happens to the FSSP? It seems with a personal prelature for the SPPX, they become redundant. Unless they themselves become part of that prelature.

There’s already the FSSP and ICKSP. The SSPX could be a separate group as well. I mean, just because they all celebrate the traditional Mass doesn’t mean they’re the same. I think there’s some tension between the FSSP and SSPX since the split too.

Also, with the MP, if it ever gains much hold, the SPPX prelature could fade into non-existence eventually. it seems like a middle way for Rome. I am sure that is a worry for the SPPX.

I frankly see no future for an SPPX presence in diocese like St. Louis and others which are welcoming the EF.

Of course the SSPX like the MP, but the TLM isn’t their only issue. They want some serious doctrinal discussions with Rome. I don’t think the availability of the EF is enough to make their parishioners leave.

 

[G_Sarto]

Something like that. or “elect” 3 choices one of which the Pope has to approve. The eastern churches choose their own bishops I think and basically Rome has to “rubber stamp” them.

But what happens to the FSSP? It seems with a personal prelature for the SPPX, they become redundant. Unless they themselves become part of that prelature.

Also, with the MP, if it ever gains much hold, the SPPX prelature could fade into non-existence eventually. it seems like a middle way for Rome. I am sure that is a worry for the SPPX.

Personally I’d use the SPPX, if they ever returned, as sort of another Jesuits. Direct the expansion to missionary countries or Bible belt/Mormon areas in the US.

I frankly see no future for an SPPX presence in diocese like St. Louis and others which are welcoming the EF.

I rather think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick, old bean…although you’re nearly there.

Yes, the SSPX was created to serve a particular need at a particular moment in Church history. Preserving not only the Traditional Mass, but also the Faith; whole, pure, intact… untainted with modernism of any sort. Likewise the formation of priests.
When Rome comes to its senses, the SSPX will be surplus to requirements. Roll on the day.
But take a look at what bishops and Cardinals are still at large, and you’ll realise that day is still a long way off.

Don’t be lulled into thinking that because there are a few indult Masses around, here and there, the crisis in the Church is all but over. Besides, it’s about more than just the Mass.

There are other things that badly need seeing to: so-called religious liberty, ecumenism, et al.
Having a few more indult Masses won’t change these things.

 

[G_Sarto]

Ah, I see BrendanD has beaten me to the proverbial draw. Well done that man!