Rush Limbaugh going off on Pope Francis's exhortation

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Interesting! This was my initial reaction too.
(2) Good old-fashioned rules for interpretation of papal documents help.
(a) When the Francis rejects the idea of unbridled Capitalism “absolute autonomy of the marketplace” and those who “reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control” (#56, also 202), we should ask: is that factually the case here? The answer is “No.” OK, then move on.
When, quoting a letter of Paul VI to–guess who–the Pontifical Council for Peace and Justice, he says “the more fortunate should renounce some of their rights so as to place their goods more generously at the service of others” (190), we should ask do the rich here give some of the money and time they have a right to keep to the poor? The answer is “Yes.” OK, then move on.
(b) This is not at the teaching level of a social encyclical. He clearly mentions (184): “This Exhortation is not a social document” and suggests that we read the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church–it rejects collectivism, class warfare and stresses individual and collective initiative, competition, reasonable profit, and regulated capitalism. In the same paragraph Francis explicitly qualifies his remarks: “neither the Pope nor the Church have a monopoly on the interpretation of social realities or the proposal of solutions to contemporary problems.”
(c) He mentions lack of economic “opportunity” (#s 54, 59, 209) as an ill, not lack of free handouts. He also twice rejects the idea of the welfare state/mentality (202, 204). And he cites the teaching of Popularum Progressio that all people should exercise individual initiative as artisans of their own destiny. (190).
Thanks for drawing attention to these points. People who think Marxism or Socialism are being taught in this document don’t know what these terms mean (or are trying to use them as scare buzz words) or didn’t read the whole thing. Opposing a surivival of the fittest/Darwinian/Liberal (with a capital “L”) economic scheme does not make one therefore a Socialist or Marxist, which entail class warfare and the abolition of private property, rather than its regulated use for the benefit of the common good.

Likewise, as you point out, people are doing the opposite of what the Pope said and are letting the points concerning the Church’s social doctrine distract from the overall point of the document: laying out the last synod’s program for evangelizing and re-evangelizing the world.
 
Since I’ve come back to the Church I’ve come to realize that being Catholic means that you cannot fit into any of the worldly "ism"s. Liberalism does not fit. Conservatism does not fit.

Our current political system has made round pegs and square pegs and demands that you force yourself into one -

But the only true peg is the Cross.
Good post. Many have made their political party’s platform’s into a new deposit of faith. Cardinal de Lubac explained this in a pretty hard-hitting way, saying this is the result of us no longer carrying about eternity, but only material affairs:
Cardinal de Lubac:
If heretics no longer horrify us today, as they once did our forefathers, is it certain that it is because there is more charity in our hearts? Or would it not too often be, perhaps, without our daring to say so, because the bone of contention, that is to say, the very substance of our faith, no longer interests us? Men of too familiar and too passive a faith, perhaps for us dogmas are no longer the Mystery on which we live, the Mystery which is to be accomplished in us. Consequently then, heresy no longer shocks us; at least, it no longer convulses us like something trying to tear the soul of our souls away from us…And that is why we have no trouble in being kind to heretics, and no repugnance in rubbing shoulders with them.

In reality, bias against ‘heretics’ is felt today just as it used to be. Many give way to it as much as their forefathers used to do. Only, they have turned it against political adversaries. Those are the only ones with whom they refuse to mix. Sectarianism has only changed its object and taken other forms, because the vital interest has shifted. Should we dare to say that this shifting is progress?

It is not always charity, alas, which has grown greater, or which has become more enlightened: it is often faith, the taste for the things of eternity, which has grown less.
Sadly too, this is often the case:
St. Anthony Mary Claret:
In the long run, all political parties are nothing more than players who are out to win the pool, so that they can lord it over the others, or simply to fatten their own wallets. The real motive in politics and political parties is often no more than ambition, pride, and greed.
 
Thanks for drawing attention to these points. People who think Marxism or Socialism are being taught in this document don’t know what these terms mean (or are trying to use them as scare buzz words) or didn’t read the whole thing. Opposing a surivival of the fittest/Darwinian/Liberal (with a capital “L”) economic scheme does not make one therefore a Socialist or Marxist, which entail class warfare and the abolition of private property, rather than its regulated use for the benefit of the common good.

Likewise, as you point out, people are doing the opposite of what the Pope said and are letting the points concerning the Church’s social doctrine distract from the overall point of the document: laying out the last synod’s program for evangelizing and re-evangelizing the world.
Very true. It is not a social encyclical: it is about the evangelical mission of the Church in it’s various settings around the world and reform to enter more fully into that mission.
 
Thanks for drawing attention to these points. People who think Marxism or Socialism are being taught in this document don’t know what these terms mean (or are trying to use them as scare buzz words) or didn’t read the whole thing. Opposing a surivival of the fittest/Darwinian/Liberal (with a capital “L”) economic scheme does not make one therefore a Socialist or Marxist, which entail class warfare and the abolition of private property, rather than its regulated use for the benefit of the common good.

Likewise, as you point out, people are doing the opposite of what the Pope said and are letting the points concerning the Church’s social doctrine distract from the overall point of the document: laying out the last synod’s program for evangelizing and re-evangelizing the world.
I think part of the problem is that there is a Marxist/socialist stream in the modern Catholic church - reflected in such movements as liberation theology, and found in certain religious orders such as the Maryknolls and Jesuits. A Jesuit priest served in the Sandinista regime in the 80’s. Many of the priests at my university were radical leftists. So some are quite suspicious when they hear language similar to what the leftists used.

Ishii
 
It’s a pity some Catholics in this country can’t get over their political bias and concentrate on what the Pope is saying to the WORLD as the vicar of Christ…not as some left wing or right wing American politician.
 
Leftist language and ideas and governments are in places around the WORLD. They are destructive of true development and they contradict the clear statements of catholic social teaching, not our biases.

My point in posts above has been that although Francis’ tone and language may sound leftist in some places, a close reading shows that Evangelii Gaudium does not at all depart from the church’s tradition of social teaching.
 
Ricaduta favorevole is the italian term for trickle down. Let’s argue if we want, but let’s give the Vatican translators some respect. Nothing would be posted on the web site without being carefully proof read.
Funny the Pope would use a loaded American Political term that was coined 35 years ago to attack an American President.
 
Funny or not, it is what it is.
In you opinion. All we know for sure is he said “ricaduta favorevole” which is translated according to ones political views evidently. I still find it beyond belief that the pope would use such a loaded American political term in an exhortation the world.
 
Since I’ve come back to the Church I’ve come to realize that being Catholic means that you cannot fit into any of the worldly "ism"s. Liberalism does not fit. Conservatism does not fit.

Our current political system has made round pegs and square pegs and demands that you force yourself into one -

But the only true peg is the Cross.
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BOGUS CATHOLIC ENTITY RIPS RUSH

by Bill Donahue (Catholic League)

catholicleague.org/bogus-catholic-entity-rips-rush/
After radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh criticized Pope Francis for statements the pope made in his apostolic exhortation, “The Joy of the Gospel,” Christopher Hale of Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good attacked Limbaugh. CNN prominently carried the story. But the real story is that Catholics in Alliance is a bogus entity.
Catholics in Alliance is such a fraud that it has been stripped of its tax-exempt status by the IRS: for three consecutive years, it failed to file its 990. Prior to a few years ago, the group was funded by the likes of George Soros’ Open Society Institute, and the Tides Foundation (another Soros-funded institution). But once the IRS dropped the hammer on Catholics in Alliance, both of these foundations stopped funding it.
We called Catholics in Alliance today to find out what is going on, but there is no one there; callers must leave a message on an answering machine. That’s not the way real organizations work.
It is astounding to read on the website of Catholics in Alliance a plea for donations, saying, “Contributions are tax deductible.” Really? On what basis? The IRS doesn’t recognize them as a legitimate non-profit. Neither should the media.
Background on the group (which called for an apology from Limbaugh this week):

catholicworldreport.com/Item/1537/the_catholic_con_continues.aspx#.Up-9iShD3zI
Many left-wing Catholic political organizations use Soros funds and misuse social doctrine to promote anti-magisterial, pro-abortion messages.
freakoutnation.com/2013/12/02/catholic-group-demands-rush-limbaugh-apologize-over-attacks-on-pope-francis/

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How sad it is to seee the divisiveness among Catholics politically. Catholics are the major
swing vote in this nation- but because of our divisiveness we end up cancelling one another
out -doing a disservice to our Nation as well as to our Church… Don"t misunderstand me
It is a very healthy thing for consrvatives and Progressives to debate issues in dialogue. But
the way some judge others and treat them with disrespect is certainly not healthy dialogue.
Look at it from a spiritual viewpoint. Paul tells us “our struggle is NOT against flesh and blood but against the spiritual powers of darkness.” I would suggest that in this case those powers are the extreme Ideologies that manipulate both sides.
Ideology in this sense is taking some partial truth and making it a litmus test for the Whole Truth. It ;s the worst form of Relativism. What I hold is right and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. Further examination shows that both extremes are forms of
Self Will and Pride.
Christ prayed at the Last Supper: “That they may be One, Father- as You and I are One”
The fact is that if the Catholics could realize that the other has exactly what is lacking in each and they Loved one another. People would say “Look how these Catholics love one another” And we would heal the terrible wounds in our Nation’s Psyche.
 
After radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh criticized Pope Francis for statements the pope made in his apostolic exhortation, “The Joy of the Gospel,” Christopher Hale of Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good attacked Limbaugh. CNN prominently carried the story. But the real story is that Catholics in Alliance is a bogus entity.
Mr. Donahue should not blame the Catholic Alliance phony group for its opportunism. He should blame Rush’s BIG MOUTH , for allowing them the opportunity to posture and gain “legitimacy” to the uninformed. In spite of their mendacious press release in criticizing Limbaugh, their criticism by itself was valid.

I don’t understand Bill Donahue criticizing them first rather than calling out Rush directly, unless he thinks the Right Wing, are on the side of the Catholic Church and are allowed leeway.

Rush’s comments about the Pope have been just as irreverent as Bill Maher, he was just more subtle and clever about it. *(And just as damaging, given that many of his listeners are conservative Christians who may have their negative false presumptions about the Catholic Church reinforced or developed from Rush brashly going after Christ’s Vicar using the loaded term, “Marxist” ) *

He insinuated the Pope has been putting on a show for PR purposes as an “every man” , and even took a backhanded slap at how wealthy the Vatican is, therefore the Church’s riches can thank Capitalism (not benefactors of faith, and other systems just or unjust prior to that) that reasoning suggests that any source of riches, or property is a result of a modern economic system of Capitalism that has only been around since the Industrial Revolution …)

It not only displayed his impertinence in talking about matters he knows little about: the Catholic Church’s 2000 year history and previous Pontiffs statements. His recent remarks have displayed his ignorance in matters he SHOULD know or what HE THINKS he knows about Capitalism and Marxism.

Why an ignorant entertainer, has 20 million listeners hanging on his every word, is scary but expected.

The Conservative Right is mired in Enlightenment Thought, Economic Liberalism , where the Leftist Democrats are mired in Marxist post French Revolutionary falsehoods …

Unfortunately for many Catholics because of people like the late conservative Catholic William Buckley Jr. and today’s Conservative Talk Radio hosts , we are supposed to believe that just because Marxism was the corrupt reaction to Capitalism, that means Capitalism is an antidote to its evil, when it has its own evil elements in its own right which only creates more elusive injustices in Republics – especially when comprised of an immoral & godless body politic.
 
I think part of the problem is that there is a Marxist/socialist stream in the modern Catholic church - reflected in such movements as liberation theology, and found in certain religious orders such as the Maryknolls and Jesuits. A Jesuit priest served in the Sandinista regime in the 80’s. Many of the priests at my university were radical leftists. So some are quite suspicious when they hear language similar to what the leftists used.

Ishii
Well, at the time, Fernando Cardenal was no longer a Jesuit. He later abjured his Marxism, and now is once again in good standing.

As for liberation theology, though, IIRC the main critiques by the Pope Emeritus were the overfocus on materialism, which to my knowledge was shared by the so-called father of that theology, Fr. Guiterrez. So there are some condemned strains, but not necessarily all, it seems.
 
Mr. Donahue should not blame the Catholic Alliance phony group for its opportunism. He should blame Rush’s BIG MOUTH , for allowing them the opportunity to posture and gain “legitimacy” to the uninformed. In spite of their mendacious press release in criticizing Limbaugh, their criticism by itself was valid.

I don’t understand Bill Donahue criticizing them first rather than calling out Rush directly, unless he thinks the Right Wing, are on the side of the Catholic Church and are allowed leeway.

Rush’s comments about the Pope have been just as irreverent as Bill Maher, he was just more subtle and clever about it. *(And just as damaging, given that many of his listeners are conservative Christians who may have their negative false presumptions about the Catholic Church reinforced or developed from Rush brashly going after Christ’s Vicar using the loaded term, “Marxist” ) *

He insinuated the Pope has been putting on a show for PR purposes as an “every man” , and even took a backhanded slap at how wealthy the Vatican is, therefore the Church’s riches can thank Capitalism (not benefactors of faith, and other systems just or unjust prior to that) that reasoning suggests that any source of riches, or property is a result of a modern economic system of Capitalism that has only been around since the Industrial Revolution …)

It not only displayed his impertinence in talking about matters he knows little about: the Catholic Church’s 2000 year history and previous Pontiffs statements. His recent remarks have displayed his ignorance in matters he SHOULD know or what HE THINKS he knows about Capitalism and Marxism.

Why an ignorant entertainer, has 20 million listeners hanging on his every word, is scary but expected.

The Conservative Right is mired in Enlightenment Thought, Economic Liberalism , where the Leftist Democrats are mired in Marxist post French Revolutionary falsehoods …

Unfortunately for many Catholics because of people like the late conservative Catholic William Buckley Jr. and today’s Conservative Talk Radio hosts , we are supposed to believe that just because Marxism was the corrupt reaction to Capitalism, that means Capitalism is an antidote to its evil, when it has its own evil elements in its own right which only creates more elusive injustices in Republics – especially when comprised of an immoral & godless body politic.
Oh, on the contrary, Veridical, Rush has every right to question what the Pope is saying your ad homines notwithstanding. Quite telling that you make no attempt to address the substance of what Rush was saying. You seem to have a tidy little world view that allows you to unfairly attack those with whom you disagree.

Back in the late 80’s, Rush was the only one on the radio questioning the wisdom of the entrenched establishment of liberalism - which virtually controlled the media (with the exception of that product of the enlightenment WFB). He did so by himself and ended up gaining a large following and starting a cottage industry of conservative talk radio. Just because he is not an expert on Catholic theology, and is not Catholic himself, does not mean that he shouldn’t question something a Pope says.

Furthermore, your attempt to equate capitalism with marxism is ignorant of the fact that the Church has never condemned capitalism per se. However, it has condemned socialism as inherently evil. Or, as one of my favorite conservatives said, “the problem with capitalism is capitalists. The problem with socialism is socialism.” WFB

Capitalism can be evil when practiced by evil capitalists. Socialism, otoh, is inherently evil as it denies human nature.

See the difference?

Ishii
 
Oh, on the contrary, Veridical, Rush has every right to question what the Pope is saying your ad homines notwithstanding. Quite telling that you make no attempt to address the substance of what Rush was saying. You seem to have a tidy little world view that allows you to unfairly attack those with whom you disagree.

Just because he is not an expert on Catholic theology, and is not Catholic himself, does not mean that he shouldn’t question something a Pope says.
I apologize if my brusque comments on Mr. Limbaugh, ruffled feathers of those who admire him, but I have no high opinion of him one way or the other and if Catholics on here who follow him are offended by my criticism of him, oh well.
I don’t see the point of putting some guy behind a microphone on a pedestal, that I have seen some do. He’s conceited anyway, what with his “talent on loan from God” stuff.

But enough about the man. He’s free to be as controversial as he likes in the public eye , as he has money to make and he has 400 million dollars to show for it.
I have a problem with what he stated this week, and only this week. I just take offense to him and the whole of this topical narrative from the Right, criticizing IL PAPA’s brief paragraph, when none of Rush and those others’ criticism is warranted. Pope Francis said, *“Unfettered capitalism” “How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses 2 points?” " *

How is that Marxist? It is not. So it’s not a question if he has a right. It’s whether he exercised that right with good judgment and is open to being called out? Likewise, his comments were deceptively backhanded and just as insulting as Bill Maher speaking about Catholic things.
Rush took offense, because he fears that the wool will be pulled from the eyes of his listeners that certain practices of Capitalism, and even Adam Smith, ain’t all that it cracked up to be, and the same tired arguments that his PARTY backers push on voters, will ring hollow because of its incomplete simplistic vagueness about “free markets” and " bootstraps" .
The worst thing that scared Rush and those he works for was the Pope’s statement that trickle down economics are not based on fact. That’s what rankled him and those who pay for this part of the media. That’s what rankled the rich associates Rush deals with every now and then.

If I have a problem, with certain members of the Catholic Church disrespecting the Pope’s authority, same standard applies to those outside the Church.

Capitalism is an idol to some, and Rush exposes that it is for many who identify as Conservatives and Republicans.

It is strange that Leftist Television Hosts, seem to be voices of reason this week in saying that what the Pope said was not that objectionable, and they seem to even agree with some Catholics in Traditionalist circles, and though their motives may not be sincere as their respect for the Pope’s actions as a teacher is likely as ephemeral as those who greeted Jesus on Palm Sunday, what they say in the Pope’s defense against Limbaugh is more correct than those on the right lately, who try to add caveats to the Pope’s statements, pretending to respectfully disagree with him, all the while doing the opposite.

Mr. Limbaugh’s disrespect for the Pope, continues this week. He’s doubling down.
This set Limbaugh off. “This is the president citing the pope,** his new best friend, because the pope is ripping America, the pope [is] ripping capitalism**,” Limbaugh exclaimed. “And Obama’s having an orgasm.** Jeremiah Wright is beside himself. Jeremiah Wright thought he was Obama’s preacher, now [the] pope somehow has co-opted Obama.**”
freakoutnation.com/2013/12/04/right-on-cue-rush-limbaugh-freaks-out-over-obama-citing-the-popes-remarks/

Just because the Leftist Media is usually wrong, and has a larger presence in medium, does not mean that the Right Wing Media, isn’t a media itself and ultimately has certain interests for big money types who benefit MORE from ideological dead -ends, and politically entrenched half -truths reaching this market, rather than actual intelligent discourse reaching the populace.
 
Back in the late 80’s, Rush was the only one on the radio questioning the wisdom of the entrenched establishment of liberalism - which virtually controlled the media. . . He did so by himself and ended up gaining a large following and starting a cottage industry of conservative talk radio.
There were others before Rush, the Bob Grants etc. Reagan defeating the Fairness Doctrine in 1987, helped Rush. (I’m not saying that was a bad thing as free speech is essential ) So he is a very good businessman who paved the way for the Hannities, Beck, O’Reillies to follow suit. His success is no different than Fox News a decade later, as the beneficiary of an untapped market that the dominant broadcast media & print had inadvertently cultivated & galvanized via their arrogant attempts to socially engineer their desired voting bloc. He’s a businessman first. Like Fox News and Ailes, he is no more a crusader for the good than they are. And in politics, good businessmen, make good friends with those who wield, need to keep, or covet more power.

Fast forward decades later – just because the Conservative Media profits from both a hybrid entertainment/ ideological product to sell to those being repulsed by the Left who control the media, that effectual success does not necessarily validate the messages of Mr. Limbaugh and co. There is not any more credence amongst his ilk, than there is amongst the successfully revered Journalists and Pontificators on the Left, who gather their rewards and acclaim in front of cameras and live audiences.
Where Leftists set up Sunday programs, award shows to give the illusion of important persons, consisting of sages, and intellectuals at a round table – Conversely, (while more in the business on the right , could be honest and sincere as there are many diverse hosts today who accept a light stigma for their profession as the “right winger” ) ones message is not validated by the number of books to be sold every year, which is ultimately the equivalent illusion of credibility for the Right.
Furthermore, your attempt to equate capitalism with marxism is ignorant of the fact that the Church has never condemned capitalism per se. However, it has condemned socialism as inherently evil…“the problem with capitalism is capitalists. The problem with socialism is socialism.” WFB
Where did my post equate capitalism with marxism? Marx & Engles political thought (along with others in the 1800’s ) was a godless response to the injustices of unfettered Capitalism of the Industrial Revolution. Buckley made the mistake in dismissing the Popes too, but he was Catholic, so it was more regrettable for him to do so.
Capitalism can be evil when practiced by evil capitalists. Socialism, otoh, is inherently evil as it denies human nature.
See the difference?
That presumes that Capitalism as a system is inherently neutral, because Socialism is not. No system is neutral. One is more corrosively abusive than the other. And because Christ’s Kingdom is not of this world, all forms and systems are going to be wanting or corruptible. See the Freemasonic notion of Church and State embedded in our Republic: what Pope Pius X called a most pernicious error ]

Unfortunately because the ills of 20th Century’s implementation of Leftist socio-political solutions to “Capitalism” has wrought greater evils, we get lulled into thinking that “Free Markets” “Economic Liberty” are terms that should ignite hope, neglecting to realize that certain powers with vast wealth who encourage these buzzwords every four years, have no interest in encouraging the values of alleviating or stopping the injustices that do oppress the poor, that they do benefit only the very wealthy who own public office holders – that do punish the lower middle class and do close doors and ladders of opportunity to people under the guise of curing the lurch to the Left or Right every four years.

I hope that this recent political uproar over this new pontificate will wake up many American Catholics about building their house on the sand of both political parties and ideologies as they currently stand.
One’s political preferences on how government should run exactly and how economies should work, should not de-evolve into a pseudo-religion, as Americanism has developed in much of the minds of its Citizenry. This is why the Political Parties have caused such division amongst Catholics even in this board and amongst the Prelates themselves since the 1930’s and why to this day one can find Catholics on both conservative and liberal messageboards; failing to realize they have both been misled on certain things, when hitching their wagons where they should not be hitched.

For instance, not once have I heard about “JUST WAGES” or the content of the dignity of the Worker in Rerum Novarum brought up whenever Capitalism is discussed , and like I said William Buckley Jr. and National Review and Austrian School of Economics , have all contributed to this false dilemma that because the Church condemns Marxist Philosophy, All Capitalistic Rhetoric is always therefore good.

The objections you have posited have been unwittingly leading into more an argument in semantics of economic exchange rather than the weight of evils between the two general philosophical terms.
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"Does Capitalism Exist? " **

youtube.com/watch?v=7ra0d_1OVfQ
To give an idea of where I may be speaking from…
Fulton Sheen breaks down certain misconceptions that is fed about Capitalism, and the false predictions that Marx had in his atheist based philosophical “solutions”
 
I think part of the problem is that there is a Marxist/socialist stream in the modern Catholic church - reflected in such movements as liberation theology, and found in certain religious orders such as the Maryknolls and Jesuits. A Jesuit priest served in the Sandinista regime in the 80’s. Many of the priests at my university were radical leftists. So some are quite suspicious when they hear language similar to what the leftists used.

Ishii
I think that the ‘Marxist/socialist’ influence of the Church is really an illusion on your part. The Jesuits, and the rest of the Catholic church, hold on to humanitarian values. They are humanitarian, not Marxist/socialist.
 
I think that the ‘Marxist/socialist’ influence of the Church is really an illusion on your part. The Jesuits, and the rest of the Catholic church, hold on to humanitarian values. They are humanitarian, not Marxist/socialist.
If there’s no Marxist influence anywhere…

(From the CDF’s Instruction on Certain Aspects of the “Theology of Liberation”: )
The present Instruction has a much more limited and precise purpose: to draw the attention of pastors, theologians, and all the faithful to the deviations, and risks of deviation, damaging to the faith and to Christian living, that are brought about by certain forms of liberation theology which use, in an insufficiently critical manner, concepts borrowed from various currents of Marxist thought.
  1. Concepts uncritically borrowed from Marxist ideology and recourse to theses of a biblical hermeneutic marked by rationalism are at the basis of the new interpretation which is corrupting whatever was authentic in the generous initial commitment on behalf of the poor.
  1. Impatience and a desire for results has led certain Christians, despairing of every other method, to turn to what they call “marxist analysis.”
  1. Their reasoning is this: an intolerable and explosive situation requires ‘effective action’ which cannot be put off. Effective action presupposes a ‘scientific analysis’ of the structural causes of poverty. Marxism now provides us with the means to make such an analysis, they say. Then one simply has to apply the analysis to the third-world situation, especially in Latin America.
and so forth…
 
I think that the ‘Marxist/socialist’ influence of the Church is really an illusion on your part. The Jesuits, and the rest of the Catholic church, hold on to humanitarian values. They are humanitarian, not Marxist/socialist.
Apples and oranges. A humanitarian wants to improve people’s lives, reduce suffering, promote human welfare. Marxism/socialism and regulated capitalism are two opposing economic systems–the former rejected by catholic social teaching. One also could adopt the former or the latter in the hopes of achieving humanitarian goals.
 
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