RUSSIA - Putin proposes "immunity" for sacred texts: they cannot be judged extremist [AN]

[Catholic_Press]

The Kremlin forced to intervene after the protests of the Muslim community for the Russian court verdict that ruled some verses of Koran extremists, banning them. Approval of Orthodox, Muslims and Buddhists, while for Jews it is an “insufficient” initiative.

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[Vouthon]

I highly doubt that Catholics will get a mention in this. After all, we’re not one of the recognized “Russian” religions

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

“Immunity” for sacred texts - obviously including the Hebrew and Christian scriptures - seems like a great idea based on the creeping redefinition of “hate speech” and reported legal prosecution of preachers. But this clearly needs to be applied evenly. Interesting that this came from Mr. Putin and not from the West, usually regarded as the bastion of freedom.

 

[Vouthon]

“Immunity” for sacred texts - obviously including the Hebrew and Christian scriptures - seems like a great idea based on the creeping redefinition of “hate speech” and reported legal prosecution of preachers. But this clearly needs to be applied evenly. Interesting that this came from Mr. Putin and not from the West, usually regarded as the bastion of freedom.

What a pity that Catholics within Russia are unable to enjoy such “freedom”.

 

[Simca]

Another quote from the article:

The State Duma, the lower branch of the Russian parliament, has already declared that it will support the President’s proposal. “The Bible, the Koran, the Tanakh and the Kanjur, their content and quotes can not be considered extremist material”, says the norm made public by the Kremlin.

In Russia a 1990’s provision states that Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Buddhism are “an inalienable part of the historical heritage” of the country.

So it sounds like any religion which promotes these religious texts will be approved.
It really does seem like atheism is a thing of the past in Russia.

Here’s a link to another interesting article regarding the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. taylormarshall.com/2013/10/has-russia-been-consecrated-by-the-pope.html

It seems rather controversial as to whether any Pope has ever really consecrated Russia,
but this article says: "On August 29, 1989 Sr. Lucia affirms in correspondence that the consecration of Russia “has been accomplished” and that “God will keep His word.”
… So it seems that something has happened, and the Spirit of God has been moving across this nation.

 

[steido01]

It really does seem like atheism is a thing of the past in Russia.

So long as it remains politically expedient for Putin to ally himself with religious folks, anyway. Call me paranoid, but I don’t trust former KGB agents. He means to confuse the West, and he’s doing a bang-up job at it.

 

[Vouthon]

So long as it remains politically expedient for Putin to ally himself with religious folks, anyway. Call me paranoid, but I don’t trust former KGB agents. He means to confuse the West, and he’s doing a bang-up job at it.

Spot on, or as John McCain once said:

blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/10/16/mccain-sees-something-in-putins-eyes/

McCain Sees Something Else in Putin’s Eyes

As Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to consolidate power at home and frustrate U.S. policies abroad, Republicans are suggesting President Bush must have had smoke in his eyes six years ago when he famously peered into “Vlad’s” at their first meeting and got “a sense of his soul,” of a man “very straightforward and trustworthy.”

Arizona Sen. John McCain, without naming the president he hopes to succeed, told the Republican Jewish Coalition Tuesday that he saw something else entirely when he met the Russian leader: “I looked into Mr. Putin’s eyes and I saw three things — a K and a G and a B.”

How right he was in hindsight!

And he uttered these immortal words a year before the invasion of Georgia in 2008. Sadly few saw the signs back then of what lay ahead. Obama - worse even than Bush, who considered Putin a “chum” - came to power with a toy-dummy “reset button” for US-Russia relations. Cringe.

 

[AKDee]

I highly doubt that Catholics will get a mention in this. After all, we’re not one of the recognized “Russian” religions

But our texts are roughly the same as the Orthodox, so should get covered by default.

 

[Brandon_Cal]

The State Duma, the lower branch of the Russian parliament, has already declared that it will support the President’s proposal. “The Bible, the Koran, the Tanakh and the Kanjur, their content and quotes can not be considered extremist material”, says the norm made public by the Kremlin.

I wonder if this is an exhaustive list. Would this mean, for example, that while the Tanakh and Qur’an are protected the Talmud and Hadith are not? What about liturgical texts?

So long as it remains politically expedient for Putin to ally himself with religious folks, anyway. Call me paranoid, but I don’t trust former KGB agents. He means to confuse the West, and he’s doing a bang-up job at it.

Ditto.

 

[Cavaradossi]

Spot on, or as John McCain once said:

blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/10/16/mccain-sees-something-in-putins-eyes/

McCain, the warmonger, doesn’t like somebody. What a shock. Why anybody should care what that madman has to say is beyond me.

 

[steido01]

McCain, the warmonger, doesn’t like somebody. What a shock. Why anybody should care what that madman has to say is beyond me.

Just so I’m understanding you clearly, Cav… are you calling Putin the madman or McCain? There’s quite a bit of difference between the two.

 

[Cavaradossi]

Just so I’m understanding you clearly, Cav… are you calling Putin the madman or McCain? There’s quite a bit of difference between the two.

Putin’s no madman. If he’s as opportunistic, calculating, etc. as everybody paints him out to be then he’s in fact quite the opposite. But McCain without fail goes out of his way to find fictitious enemies for America, and then advocates for wars which would not likely be of any benefit to our nation. Our older generation of war heroes at least understood the enormous human toll exacted by warfare, whereas McCain seems totally oblivious. Perhaps the Vietnamese knocked a few of his screws loose.

 

[PatrickC]

Putin’s no madman. If he’s as opportunistic, calculating, etc. as everybody paints him out to be then he’s in fact quite the opposite. But McCain without fail goes out of his way to find fictitious enemies for America, and then advocates for wars which would not likely be of any benefit to our nation. Our older generation of war heroes at least understood the enormous human toll exacted by warfare, whereas McCain seems totally oblivious. Perhaps the Vietnamese knocked a few of his screws loose.

Very well said.