Russia will be converted?

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deekod1967:
TruthSeeker - the falling of the wall and the Communist regime allows the Russian nation to worship Jesus and Mary - you must recognise that at least.

The prophetic vision of Fatima could never be fulfilled under Communism - I hope that is obvious to you also.
I do believe the fall of communism would be part of it. Maybe the consecration to the world was enough to accomplish this.
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deekod1967:
I believe the wall coming down is the first step in the realisation of the prophetic vision of Fatima. But we must all continue to say the Rosary daily and make the 1st 5 Saturdays for the conversion of sinners and of Russia so that the Prophecy will come true - sooner rather than later.

This is a hypothesis Fr. Fox put forward in First Saturdays. I sort of see it as shifting the blame from the pope(s) to us by saying, well JPII did the consecration. The reason the fruits are not evident is that you people have not done your part (i.e., saying the 5 first Saturdays).

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
 
So, if I consecrated my whole family, I should not understand that to mean that a particular member of my family, like my son is consecrated??? That sounds absurd, doesn’t it?

It’s similar to a friend asking me to pray for her sick son, but instead, I pray for her entire family. Is it reasonable to insist that the son was not prayed for? Aren’t our prayers known by God before we even say them? Surely, prayer for an entire family includes prayer for a member of that family.
 
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trth_skr:
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This is a hypothesis Fr. Fox put forward in First Saturdays. I sort of see it as shifting the blame from the pope(s) to us by saying, well JPII did the consecration. The reason the fruits are not evident is that you people have not done your part (i.e., saying the 5 first Saturdays).

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
I would argue this is not a hypothesis, I can see no “blame-shifting” here either. The Consecration in my opinion was not a sole requirement to ensure the Fatima prophetic vision becomes a reality. Penance and prayers of the Church are mandatory (both before and after the Consecration) to ensure that both Catholic and Russian Orthodox Church’s are reconciled - the essence of Our Lady of Fatima’s message to the world.

Bishop Hinlica said Mass and made the Consecration (posing as a tourist) in the Basilica of St. Micheal in red Square on the same day as the rest of the Bishops of the world. I would heartily recommend you to read this book…

christendom-awake.org/pages/ttindalr/ttindalr.html

I agree with Bishop Hinlica that the prophetic vision of Fatima will reach fulfilment when both Catholic and Russian Orthodox Church’s are reconciled…

christendom-awake.org/pages/ttindalr/hnilica.htm

Just because at the moment the Russian Orthodox Church is not reconciled with Rome does not aoutomatically mean the Consecration was invalid - the fall of the Berlin wall dis-proves that - it simply means we have MUCH more penance and prayer to give for Russia to accept the Bishop of Rome as Supreme Pontiff.

I personally believe we will not live to see the total fulfillment of the Fatima prohecy in our time (I pray I am wrong). But I also believe we have been extremely privaleged to have lived during the papacy of JP2 and seen the first fruits of Our Lady of Fatima’s appearance come to reality.

Spreading lies of previous Consecration’s being invalid will serve only to delay the inevitable triumph of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart over Russia.

I pray you can act with good Faith on what the good Vicar of Christ has told us on this very important issue for our times.

DD
 
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itsjustdave1988:
So, if I consecrated my whole family, I should not understand that to mean that a particular member of my family, like my son is consecrated??? That sounds absurd, doesn’t it?
Dud? That was such a simple example. Why couldn’t I come up with it?!
 
The **Order of Knights of the Temple ** was founded in the Holy Land in 1118 A.D. Its organization was based on that of the Saracean fraternity of “Hashish im,” “hashish-takers,” whom Christians called Assassins. The Templars first headquarters was a wing of the royal palace of Jerusalem next to the al-Aqsa mosque, revered by the Shi’ites as the central shrine of the Goddess Fatima. Western Romances, inspired by Moorish Shi’ite poets, transformed this Mother-Shrine into the Temple of the Holy Grail , where certain legendary knights called Templars gathered to of*fer their service to the Goddess, to uphold the female principles of divinity and to defend women. These knights became more widely known as Galahad, Perceval, Lohengrin, etc. —Barbara Walker, *The Woman’s Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets *

On **October 13 ** (the unlucky Friday the 13th), 1307, what may have been all the **Knights Templar ** in France were simultaneously arrested by agents of Philip the Fair, later to be tortured into admitting heresy in the Order. The dominant view is that Philip, who seized the treasury and broke up the monastic banking system, was jealous of the Templars’ wealth and power, and sought to control it for himself. These events, and the Templars’ original banking of assets for suddenly mobile depositors, were two of many shifts towards a system of military fiat to back European money, removing this power from Church orders. Seeing the fate of the Templars, the Hospitallers of St John of Jerusalem and of Rhodes and of Malta were also convinced to give up banking at this time. Much of the Templar property outside of France was transferred by the Pope to the Knights Hospitaller, and many surviving Templars were also accepted into the Hospitallers. Wikipedia.org

Coincidence? I think not. Especially since the children were under the care of Jesuits, who also claim to be inheritors of the Templar’s secrets and were also suppressed for heresy.

The **Suppression of the Jesuits ** in Portugal, France, the Two Sicilies, Parma and the Spanish Empire by 1767 was troubling to the Society’s defender, Pope Clement XIII. Following a decree signed by Pope Clement XIV in July 1773, the Jesuits were suppressed in all countries except Russia, where Catherine the Great had forbidden the papal decree to be promulgated. Because millions of Catholics (including many Jesuits) lived in the Polish western provinces of the Russian Empire, the Society was able to maintain its legal existence and carry on its work all through the period of suppression. Wikipedia.org
 
In the book Lucia Speaks: Memoirs and Letters of the Last-Surviving Seer of Fatima, published in 1976, the parish priest says to Lucia’s mother, after his interrogation of the child (pg. 81):

“It doesn’t seem to me like a revelation from heaven. It is usual in such cases for Our Lord to tell the souls to whom He makes such communications to give their confessor or parish priest an account of what has happened. But this child, on the contrary, keeps it to herself as far as she can. This may also be a deceit of the devil.”

Then Lucia herself begins to belive it is diabolical. She writes:

“I began then to have doubts as to whether these manifestations might be from the devil, who was seeking by these means to make me lose my soul. As I heard people say that the devil always brings conflict and disorder, I began to think that, truly, ever since I had started seeing these things, our home was no longer the same, for joy and peace had fled.”

Later, on pg 82 she writes:

“While in this state of mind, I had a dream which only increased the darkness of my spirit. I saw the devil laughing at having deceived me, as he tried to drag me down to hell. On finding myself in his clutches, I began to scream so loudly and call on Our Lady for help that I awakened my mother. …] My one relief was to go off by myself to some solitary place, there to weep to my heart’s content. Even the company of my cousins [Jacinta and Francisco] began to seem burdensome, and for that reason, I began to hide from them as well.”

Notice that her Lady did not save her from the clutches of the devil, but her mother, who heard her cries, and never believed the child’s stories about the apparitions.

Would the Blessed Mother torture three little children? No, no, no. She would not ask little children to mortify themselves in the most grotesque of manners. She would not ask children sick with the spanish flu to refuse food and drink for the “conversion of poor sinners” until the children killed themselves. This Lady of Fatima is not the Mother of God. The devil does bring conflict and disorder, as is perfectly manifest in the Fatima myth.
 
Fatima
In Syrian Arab mythology, **Fatima is the great goddess ** of the moon and fate. The source of the Sun and the virgin Queen of Heaven. She is represented as the Tree of Paradise.
(Probert Encyclopedia)

Fatima - Arabian Moon Goddess, Creatress, Source of the Sun, Tree of Paradise. She existed from the beginning of the material world. (mothergoddess.com/completelist.htm)

Fatima is also the name of an ancient **Arabian goddess ** and she is identified also as the daughter of the Prophet Mohammed. She is known as Zahra, the radiant one, as well as Batul, meaning virgin. She is queen of humanity, is compared to Mary and is called Maryam. A major all-female feast, sofreh hazrat i zahra, is still very popular with Muslim women; these sofreh (dining cloth) feasts, mainly celebrated in Iran, have their origins in the ancient Zoroastrian religion that began in Iran c.55 BCE. (Wilson’s Almanac)

SOPHIA, GODDESS?
by Fr. William Most
Among other aberrations many feminists seem to be trying to
present Sophia, Wisdom, as a goddess.(ewtn.com/library/NEWAGE/SOPHIA.TXT)

July 2000: Fatima – The Madonna Mystery
Two lectures on the Apparition and the Prophecies of Fatima, including the recently revealed “Third Secret of Fatima” and its implications for the **future of the Feminine Deific Principle ** and of religion in the West.

July 7: The Third Secret of Fatima. The Prophecy concealed for almost 80 years and recently revealed by the Pope and the Vatican. What are its implications? The three possible interpretations of the prophecy.

July 21: The **Meaning of Fatima ** for the 21st Century. The Fatima phenomenon within the context of other Messianic apparitions, including Lourdes, Banneux, Zeitum, Garabandal. Assumption, Co-Redeemership and Mediatorship of Mary. Implications for Esoteric and **Sophianic ** concerns.
(gnosis.org/gnostsoc/gnostsocpast.htm) AKA THE GNOSTIC SOCIETY!!!

Do you all understand what I am getting at? Do you see what is happening? It’s not just the Philipines: it is EVERYWHERE!
 
Yes! I think we know what your getting at! I for one, would expect this from a anti-Catholic person, but certainly not from a person that professes to be a Catholic.You keep spouting off this crud from everywhere but Catholic sources! Why are you, a Catholic trying to convert us to what you believe???

I will stay with the Vatican’s position & keep my trust in our Pope & CATHOLIC FAITH!!! I agree that you do not have to believe in the private revelation, but I don’t believe that you have the right to spout off all the crud you have in opposition to the faith if you are truly a Catholic! IMO I think you have gone to far with your claims! Will you PLEASE get off of your bandwagon??? :mad:

I will pray for you!!!
 
The war [WWI]* is going to end. But if people do not stop offending God, another, even worse one will begin in the reign of Pius XI*[to 1939, WWII]. When you shall see a night illuminated by an unknown light [aurora borealis 1938] know that this is the great sign that God gives you that He is going to punish the world for its many crimes by means of war, hunger, and persecution of the Church and the Holy Father. To prevent it, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and the Communion of reparation on the first Saturdays.**"If people attend to my requests, Russia will be converted and the world will have peace. If not, she [Russia] will scatter her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be destroyed.

"In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me; it will be converted, and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world. In Portugal the dogmas of the Faith will always be kept


Where is the conversion (not from atheistic communism to atheistic capitalism, but obviousaly to Catholicism)? Where is the period of peace? When will the consecration be done?

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
 
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MrS:
not true… and you have no proof… unless you want to count some guy’s “interpretation” of what Sr typed. Yes typed… the only time in her life she did not hand write her words - all of which deny the proper consecration.

In the meantime, I will extend the courtesy of reviewing your links.
MrS, You stated above a typed letter by Sr.Lucia, it was not, please see this
I could be wrong but it does not look like the original text of the “Third Secret” was typed.
 
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MrS, You stated above a typed letter by Sr.Lucia, it was not, please see this
I could be wrong but it does not look like the original text of the “Third Secret” was typed.
The typed letter is not the third secret, but purportedly a (typed) letter from Sr. Lucia Nov. 8, 1989 to Walter Noelcker (sp?), saying that the 1984 consecration was done acceptably to our Lady’s request.

It is one of a series of typed letters which appeared around that time, some which I understand have been proven false (i.e., not Sr. ucia’s signature).

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
 
trth_skr said:
The war [WWI]* is going to end. But if people do not stop offending God, another, even worse one will begin in the reign of Pius XI*[to 1939, WWII]. When you shall see a night illuminated by an unknown light [aurora borealis 1938] know that this is the great sign that God gives you that He is going to punish the world for its many crimes by means of war, hunger, and persecution of the Church and the Holy Father. To prevent it, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and the Communion of reparation on the first Saturdays."If people attend to my requests, Russia will be converted and the world will have peace. If not, she [Russia]
will scatter her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be destroyed
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"In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me; it will be converted, and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world. In Portugal the dogmas of the Faith will always be kept

Where is the conversion (not from atheistic communism to atheistic capitalism, but obviousaly to Catholicism)? Where is the period of peace? When will the consecration be done?

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com

Mark, 1st. let me apolozise for my post,just before your post (above quote). I should have addressed it to tiny’(name removed by moderator)my, as that was who it was for. OK? That said, I still disagree with you about the “Consecration of Russia”. I’m sorry, but I just can not believe Sr.Lucia, JP II, B16 & numerous other Vatican & ALL Relegious Officials directly involved with Fatima would conspire to mis led the Faithful. You have probably read this, but please re-read this

God Bless!
 
tiny’(name removed by moderator)my said:
Fatima
In Syrian Arab mythology, **Fatima is the great goddess **of the moon and fate. The source of the Sun and the virgin Queen of Heaven. She is represented as the Tree of Paradise.
(Probert Encyclopedia)

Fatima - Arabian Moon Goddess, Creatress, Source of the Sun,

You are the one talking about Fatima being diabolical.

I see bad stuff purporting to incorporate Catholic ideas all the time. This does not mean Catholic ideas are bad.

Gangs in California now use the Rosary, crucifixes, and images of the Virgin of Guadalupe for symbols. Are you now going to say that the Rosary , crucifixes, and the Guadalupe apparition are diabolical?

This looks like diabolical chaff to me (i.e., decoys, false ideas to lead one away from the truth).

If anything, I think this shows that evil is getting bolder and more confident (or realizing their end is coming fast).

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
 
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trth_skr:
The typed letter is not the third secret, but purportedly a (typed) letter from Sr. Lucia Nov. 8, 1989 to Walter Noelcker (sp?), saying that the 1984 consecration was done acceptably to our Lady’s request.

It is one of a series of typed letters which appeared around that time, some which I understand have been proven false (i.e., not Sr. ucia’s signature).

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
My apology, I’ll see if I can locate that letter.
Thanks Mark!
 
This topic has been explored and the arguments have become circuitous. Thanks to all who participated.

Therefore this thread is now closed.
 
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