Russian punk band 'blasphemy' trial - thoughts?

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It seems strange from a Western perspective to think of such things as criminal offenses. At the same time, perhaps we have become so used to secular musicians inside our church sanctuaries in the West that we don’t even notice the profanation of the Church that it represents.

I would be interested in what the Eastern Christians on this board, Catholic or Orthodox, think of this -whenever not the act itself, which is clearly deeply offensive, but the idea of the state prosecuting people for causing offense against the Church.
 
For those who think the Russian government is overreacting regarding the charges against ***** Riot, I pose the question, what do you think would happen if ***** Riot pulled a similar stunt in the US or UK, but instead of conducting there protest in an Orthodox Church, they performed it in a mosque ?
Personally, instead of sending the women to prison, I'd like to see them sentenced to performing some lengthy form of community service for the Orthodox Church.
 
Seamus_L said:
For those who think the Russian government is overreacting regarding the charges against ***** Riot, I pose the question, what do you think would happen if ***** Riot pulled a similar stunt in the US or UK, but instead of conducting there protest in an Orthodox Church, they performed it in a mosque ?
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                       Personally, instead of sending the women to prison, I'd like to see them sentenced to performing some lengthy form of community service for the Orthodox Church.
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I’m not sure the Orthodox Church would want that? How could it work? They could sweep up after Divine Liturgy, where no-one would see, but then they would look like servants to a Church. Or they could be actively involved in the Church’s charitable work, with the risk that they would be vulgar and abusive to those the Church is supposed to serve.

I’m reminded of a judge in America who sentenced a teenager to work for the SPCA after he had been found guilty of setting a cat on fire. Needless to say, the SPCA were not pleased with having to supervise and accommodate him.
 
Seamus_L said:
For those who think the Russian government is overreacting regarding the charges against ***** Riot, I pose the question, what do you think would happen if ***** Riot pulled a similar stunt in the US or UK, but instead of conducting there protest in an Orthodox Church, they performed it in a mosque?
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If it was done in the West, it would have been a hate crime, the consensus media would then pick it up and ultimately, global favor would go to the mosque in question.
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Personally, instead of sending the women to prison, I’d like to see them sentenced to performing some lengthy form of community service for the Orthodox Church.
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Here’s a problem with that. Some would use the “separation of church and state” card in order to defend the band.
 
Russia should deal with it as they see fit. It was a deeply offensive.

St John Chrysostom and other Church Fathers were against applause inside the Church. To this day, applause is forbidden in many Orthodox and Catholic Churches.

So one can imagine how offensive** this** was to the Russians.
 
Incredibly, I’ve seen a number of supporters of the band online, who are claiming this is a free speech issue. Wonder how they’d feel about priests entering there homes without permission, and then loudly denouncing there secular beliefs.
 
Wow. That made me sick to my stomach. You’re not kidding when you say those who attempted to remove them showed great restraint.

I am embarrassed to say that if I had been in the Cathedral, I would not have showed such restraint.
 
That is an understatement for me. I felt the uncontrollable urge to physically toss them out of the Cathedral airborne onto the concrete outside.

Yes. Many prayers are needed for the metanoia of these women.

It is all very sad and upsetting. 😦
 
I didn’t watch more then two or three seconds of the video becouse of what I would have to my computer because I could not get to the ones in the video! I can think of one or two saints (Irish) that those ‘humans’ should come face to face with. :(:mad:
 
Either the BBC did not develop the story or this is a cover-up so as to somewhat demonize the ROC. In any case, the BBC had conducted un-journalistic conduct regarding the article.
 
I sincerely dislike the idea of the state prosecuting people for offenses against a religion. The slippery slope presented by giving the government that much leeway and power is way too dangerous.
 
DL82 said:
m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19040414

It seems strange from a Western perspective to think of such things as criminal offenses. At the same time, perhaps we have become so used to secular musicians inside our church sanctuaries in the West that we don’t even notice the profanation of the Church that it represents.

I would be interested in what the Eastern Christians on this board, Catholic or Orthodox, think of this -whenever not the act itself, which is clearly deeply offensive, but the idea of the state prosecuting people for causing offense against the Church.
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Who ***** Riot are and what they did is a world apart from typical music ministry at mass today.

We don’t have “secular musicians” in our Church. I have never seen a secular musician in a Catholic Church. I’ve seen good people doing the best they can with the gifts and instruments they have. And very often they are marvelous.👍

If you feel so strongly about traditional music then set up a scholarship fund to train new musicians.

Or at least learn to play/sing yourself and take a leadership role in your own Church instead of taking potshots from the sidelines…

The comparison you just made is highly insulting to thousands of good men and women.
 
The charges that P. Riot face are used for what is, in the US, criminal trespass, incitement to riot, and/or vandalism… and since they certainly didn’t have permission to perform there…

Edit: *I’ll note that at the end of this video: bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18932234
They show footage of the “performance” - they didn’t actually enter the altar, instead being on the step and the ambon. *

I do hope they are convicted by a jury, and that they do get a reasonably fair trial. I have no doubt they will be convicted; I suspect a rather obviously unfair trial, but would not be terribly surprised if the media attention results in what is (for Russia) an unusually fair trial.
 
triumphguy said:
Who ***** Riot are and what they did is a world apart from typical music ministry at mass today.
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Quick question. Does the p word that the band uses in their name have the same connotation in Russian that it does in English? I wasn’t clear on that. If it did I would have expected NPR to use a different word in place of it, yet it didn’t.

Also are they an atheist or anti-Orthodox group?
 
Femen have also protested at the Vatican and this year’s European Football Championship. Illustrating the complete absurdity of feminism, they oppose the exploitation of women, by having a group of attractive young women expose there bodies in public.
 
PazzoGrande said:
Quick question. Does the p word that the band uses in their name have the same connotation in Russian that it does in English? I wasn’t clear on that. If it did I would have expected NPR to use a different word in place of it, yet it didn’t.

Also are they an atheist or anti-Orthodox group?
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Being Punk I would imagine they are using the word in the Brit Punk meaning rather than copying the Pussycat Dolls.

BTW I still can’t get my head around fanny-pack!
 
The BBc most likely does not want to admit that the 'band ’ is doing things that the BBCapproves of. 🤷
 
DL82 said:
m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19040414

It seems strange from a Western perspective to think of such things as criminal offenses. At the same time, perhaps we have become so used to secular musicians inside our church sanctuaries in the West that we don’t even notice the profanation of the Church that it represents.

I would be interested in what the Eastern Christians on this board, Catholic or Orthodox, think of this -whenever not the act itself, which is clearly deeply offensive, but the idea of the state prosecuting people for causing offense against the Church.
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This will be a good test of how theocratic Russia is becoming, and to what extent the Orthodox Church is a tool of the Russian State (or visa versa).
 
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