Sabbath or Sunday

[anrmenchaca47]

So I recently watched a video by “UNLEARN the lies” and it was interesting to see that this individual basically says that even Christ kept the Sabbath(Saturday) and that we should following what we did. He also quoted that Acts 20:7 was a weak argument. I really hate it when people say things like that. But anyway, what is the deal. I found 3 scriptures that support Sunday worship. All from Catholic Answers. But why only 3? Isn’t there more?

 

[po18guy]

Why focus on those who are wrong? Keep your eyes on the narrow path, not the ditch. The SDA and their ilk have fallen for the fatal error of bible alone - thus any brain damaged, mercury-poisoned “visionary” can lead them. Pray for them.

1. Christ repeatedly broke the rules regarding the Sabbath and He can neither sin, nor teach sin, deceive nor be deceived.
2. He taught that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
3. Sabbath worship is Jewish. Christ fulfilled that.
4. Christ chose to defeat death on Sunday.
5. Christ sent the Holy Spirit to give birth to the Church on a Sunday.
6. The Apostles gathered to break bread on the “Lord’s Day” (Sunday)
7. Christ prophesied that the Apostles would be ejected from Sabbath worship in the Synagogues.
8. Saint John received the Revelation on the “Lord’s Day” (Sunday).
9. The Church has the power of binding and loosing both on earth and in Heaven! . Remember that, always and everywhere.

Those poor, misled souls who cling to parts of the Old Covenant DO NOT have the power of binding and loosing.

 

[po18guy]

And, if our Sabbatarian brothers and sisters will note from the Decalogue (as they hold “worship services” on Saturday), the Sabbath is a day of rest from work. As to worship, we are to worship God Almighty 7 days a week.

Even though we have all fallen into the trap, best to avoid YouTube videos and all other bilge that is put out by anti-Catholics who have no idea just how lost they are; just how man-made their doctrines are.

Far better to pray for them and allow the Holy Spirit to work on them. Oh, counter their (faulty) reasoning when you meet them, but do not expect to “win” any arguments. The Gospel is not about arguing - secular life is for that.

We plant seeds.

 

[steve-b]

So I recently watched a video by “UNLEARN the lies” and it was interesting to see that this individual basically says that even Christ kept the Sabbath(Saturday) and that we should following what we did. He also quoted that Acts 20:7 was a weak argument. I really hate it when people say things like that. But anyway, what is the deal. I found 3 scriptures that support Sunday worship. All from Catholic Answers. But why only 3? Isn’t there more?

Time ( a day) in Jerusalem is considered sundown to sundown. Thus Sabbath begins Friday at sundown and ends Saturday at sundown. Sunday, begins Saturday sundown and ends Sunday sundown.

That’s why we can have a Saturday vigil mass that begins at sundown Saturday and have it count for Sunday mass.

 

[phil19034]

That’s why we can have a Saturday vigil mass that begins at sundown Saturday and have it count for Sunday mass.

I know this is often said, but it’s not really the true reason we can have Saturday evening Mass. If it was, then we would not be allowed to have mass on Sunday nights.

The reason we can have Sunday mass on Saturday after vespers is because all Solemnities historically have a vigil (even if it doesn’t have its own Liturgy).

After Vatican II, all Sundays were raised to the same level as a solemnity. Therefore, because all Sundays are equal in Rank to a solemnity, it was argued that they should be allowed to have a “vigil” like a solemnity.

Also, before this was allowed, it wasn’t uncommon for a Parish with a population with early Sunday workers to have a 2am 4am or 5am Mass on Sunday. I’m sure some places even had a midnight mass.

Some city Parishes had a “newspaper workers’ mass at 2am for people who had to be working at the newspapers by 4 or 5am

So the Saturday vigil mass was created to (1) allow those people who work Sunday mornings (and the priests) to attend mass at a more reasonable hour (and with families).

Note Vatican II also changed the Liturgy of the Hours by no longer requiring the priests to wake up around 2am to pray the Matins (now called the Office of Readings). So before VII, some priests had no issue having a 2am Mass because they were already up.

Anyway, I’m sure there are far more details, but that’s the real reason we can have Saturday evening mass

 

[steve-b]

steve-b:

That’s why we can have a Saturday vigil mass that begins at sundown Saturday and have it count for Sunday mass.

I know this is often said, but it’s not really the true reason we can have Saturday evening Mass. If it was, then we would not be allowed to have mass on Sunday nights.

The reason we can have Sunday mass on Saturday after vespers is because all Solemnities historically have a vigil (even if it doesn’t have its own Liturgy).

After Vatican II, all Sundays were raised to the same level as a solemnity. Therefore, because all Sundays are equal in Rank to a solemnity, it was argued that they should be allowed to have a “vigil” like a solemnity.

Also, before this was allowed, it wasn’t uncommon for a Parish with a population with early Sunday workers to have a 2am 4am or 5am Mass on Sunday. I’m sure some places even had a midnight mass.

Some city Parishes had a “newspaper workers’ mass at 2am for people who had to be working at the newspapers by 4 or 5am

So the Saturday vigil mass was created to (1) allow those people who work Sunday mornings (and the priests) to attend mass at a more reasonable hour (and with families).

Note Vatican II also changed the Liturgy of the Hours by no longer requiring the priests to wake up around 2am to pray the Matins (now called the Office of Readings). So before VII, some priests had no issue having a 2am Mass because they were already up.

Anyway, I’m sure there are far more details, but that’s the real reason we can have Saturday evening mass

The issue was Sabbath vs Sunday. The Gospels mention the haste required to bury Our Lord on Good Friday before the Sabbath began (at sundown) on what, for us, would still be Friday evening.

 

[Mary888]

Well if I had to choose… SabatoKiriaki (Sabbath and The Day of the Lord in Greek or… “weekend” aa we know it).

 

[ChristinaAH]

The YouTube channel the video was posted on is a part of a Torah-observant cult called the Hebrew Roots Movement. I used to be a part of it.

Please trust me when I say they don’t have any legitimacy.

 

[po18guy]

The YouTube channel the video was posted on is a part of a Torah-observant cult called the Hebrew Roots Movement. I used to be a part of it.

Please trust me when I say they don’t have any legitimacy.

James Cardinal Gibbons in his seminal work “The Faith of Our Fathers” states that we do not find Sunday liturgy explicitly in the bible. For that, we must look to the Church and her absolute power of binding and loosing.

 

[kainosktisis]

I think I may’ve also encountered someone online who doesn’t identify his denomination but emphasizes Sabbath observance of the Early Church, & presents some unusual ideas about Jews & Gentiles…So far he seems to assume that references to St. Paul’s synagogue visits demonstrate that he went to the synagogues primarily to worship on the Sabbath & asserts that this is the case of the Early Church worshipping on the Sabbath in synagogues. He doesn’t strike me as being SDA as unfortunately most of those encountered online have been most disagreeable & openly hostile.

Like the OP I seek to find answers & respond to this person’s assertions that Gentiles practiced Sabbath observance as commanded by Jesus & had done so for years…

He doesn’t seem too inclined to history nor Tradition.

 

[dochawk]

Some city Parishes had a “newspaper workers’ mass at 2am for people who had to be working at the newspapers by 4 or 5am

The parish that is now the cathedral for the Diocese of Las Vegas was built to have something like a 4:!5 Mass for casino workers coming off shift. The casinos offered to build it if the bishop would provide the mass.

And that is why there is a Roman Catholic cathedral on the Las Vegas Strip . . .

hawk

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

Some city Parishes had a “newspaper workers’ mass at 2am for people who had to be working at the newspapers by 4 or 5am

The parish that is now the cathedral for the Diocese of Las Vegas was built to have something like a 4:!5 Mass for casino workers coming off shift. The casinos offered to build it if the bishop would provide the mass.

And that is why there is a Roman Catholic cathedral on the Las Vegas Strip . . .

hawk

Is that the real reason why they allow the Saturday evening “vigil” mass to be at 2:30 PM at that Cathedral?

 

[dochawk]

The real reason for that was that they had Mass both on the hour in the church and half-hour in the hall, and still couldn’t fit everyone in.

That is gone now that the shrine is open down by the southern end, and was a special accommodation for tourists only (locals could not meet their obligation at the 2:30 Saturday).

hawk