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kalt
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Do you (non-Catholics) believe that Christians should be observing the Sabbath on Saturday or celebrating the Lord’s Day on Sunday?
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tomshaikh
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Hi Kalt, What is the meaning of Sabbath. Isn’t it meaning Saturday.
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kalt
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Sabbath, I think, means 7th day, which is Saturday. The Lord’s Day is celebrated on the 8th day, Sunday, which is the day that Christ rose from the dead.
I’m just wondering what most non-Catholics think Christians should be doing.
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Zooey
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Your Friendly Neighborhood Methodist believes that we are meant to be celebrating the Lord’s Day.
Anyone who wants to argue for the 7th Sabbath,needs to do a study of the New Testament, where every single one of the 10 Commandments is repeated, except one— “Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy”. Instead, the NT speaks always of the “Lord’s Day”–the celebration of the Resurrection!!
Jesus Christ Himself was and is the Lord of the Sabbath; He changed it through His Resurrection.
(Golly, you really have to
love those Methodist Sunday School Classes).
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amun
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This question has been debated heavily in another thread. You can read it here:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=115561&page=6
You may want to read from page 6 onward (beginning with my first post) to get a good idea of where both schools of thought stand.
Any teaching that the sabbath has been altered or changed into sunday has been completely debunked. There isn’t a single biblical warrant for such a teaching - in other words, it’s man-made. Furthermore, the ten commandments was never abrogated at the cross or it would be impossible to sin.
And the Lord’s Day is not sunday, that is a baseless and completely unbiblical assertion.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=115561&page=6
You may want to read from page 6 onward (beginning with my first post) to get a good idea of where both schools of thought stand.
Any teaching that the sabbath has been altered or changed into sunday has been completely debunked. There isn’t a single biblical warrant for such a teaching - in other words, it’s man-made. Furthermore, the ten commandments was never abrogated at the cross or it would be impossible to sin.
And the Lord’s Day is not sunday, that is a baseless and completely unbiblical assertion.
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kalt
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If you learned all that in your Sunday School classes as a kid, I wish the Catholic Church had met with your education department to find out how it should be done. I had to learn just about everything on my own, as an adult. I figure the Church owes me some Catechism classes.Your Friendly Neighborhood Methodist believes that we are meant to be celebrating the Lord’s Day.
Anyone who wants to argue for the 7th Sabbath,needs to do a study of the New Testament, where every single one of the 10 Commandments is repeated, except one— “Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy”. Instead, the NT speaks always of the “Lord’s Day”–the celebration of the Resurrection!!
Jesus Christ Himself was and is the Lord of the Sabbath; He changed it through His Resurrection.
(Golly, you really have to
I have to admit that CCD today is much better than it was in my day (ages ago). Thinking it was just me, I mentioned that I didn’t learn anything as a kid. The “smart” kids I went to CCD with said the same thing. It wasn’t just me!!
An off-topic aside. I loved the time I spent in the local Methodist church. The people were so friendly. If it weren’t for the pesky doctrinal differences, I’d still be there.
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tomshaikh
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Hi kalt, I think you mean 6th day and 7th day instead of 7th or 8th days.
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bpbasilphx
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Actually, “sabbath” means “stop work” or “cessation.” And the term refers not just to the weekly sabbath, but to ALL the feasts of Old Israel.
The commandment as originally given has nothing to do with worship, but ceasing labor–a rest that extended even to one’s slaves and farm animals.
In the Temple services were held thrice daily. In Synagogues to this day, services are held twice daily, not just on the Sabbath.
The commandment as originally given has nothing to do with worship, but ceasing labor–a rest that extended even to one’s slaves and farm animals.
In the Temple services were held thrice daily. In Synagogues to this day, services are held twice daily, not just on the Sabbath.
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Jolly_Joe
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Actually the Christian Sabbath is not a day of the week per se. It occurs every day for a Christian as long as the day is TODAY. So effectively a Christian has Sabbath on Saturday and Sunday but also Monday through Friday.
Of course that is only if you receive the gospel of salvation totally for Christ’s sake, if you still believe that somehow you need to contribute to your salvation then no day is a Sabbath or Lord’s Day, instead they are simply a yoke of burden. Such as if you thought you needed to observe a law and attend Church every Sunday. Then that is no rest at all but you have put yourself under law and the gospel is in vain concerning you.
You can worship any day, there is not day legislated for it, you should rest from your labors every day.
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amun
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Wow. So how do we pay our bills and make money to get food on the table?
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bpbasilphx
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Sabbath, I think, means 7th day, which is Saturday. The Lord’s Day is celebrated on the 8th day, Sunday, which is the day that Christ rose from the dead.
**Sabbath comes from a Hebrew word meaning “cessation.”
The commandment about “keeping the Sabbath holy” was not about worship–read it! It was about ceasing from work: a cessation that applied even to one’s slaves and farm animals.**
**Sabbath comes from a Hebrew word meaning “cessation.”
The commandment about “keeping the Sabbath holy” was not about worship–read it! It was about ceasing from work: a cessation that applied even to one’s slaves and farm animals.**
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amun
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Sabbath means “rest” btw.
“And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.” --romans 13: 42-44
“And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.”–Isaiah 66:23
The reason for not working was so that you could spend the time ministering to the poor and praising/worshipping God, otherwise there’d be no purpose for not working.
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Jolly_Joe
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Both of course. If a person does not rest from his works and enter into God’s rest, he is not saved. By resting from his works he observes the true Sabbath on Saturday, the Lord’s Day on Sunday, and every other day of the week is also a holy Sabbath.
The Sabbath is not really a day of the week, though it is TODAY! And it is today for as long as today shall be called today.
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swariffin
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Dear Amun,
Revelation shows that the early christian joined together in their worship on the Lord’s day. Lord’s day is not sabbath. John would have said Sabbath if it was so. How could the early christian had their worship together in Sabbath, while they were not allowed to walk for a certain distance (except to the synagoge). Definitely, they also could not discuss the teaching of Jesus in the Synagoge at that time, for fear of being persecuted by other Jewish. The Lord’s day to the most logical day is Sunday or “Minggu” in my language (to show that sunday is nothing to do with the sun’s god). It could not be Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. It is not mentioned exactly in the bible, but can be derived reasonably and logically from the bible. So, it is biblical. BTW, Jesus himself mentioned that He is the Lord of Sabbath, is it not?
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