Sacrament of Marriage question

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I had a friend just ask me this
I listening to a program on EWTN radio
some woman called in about concerned about sacramental marriage…
if i understood the host correctly … he said both the man and woman must be baptized for the marriage to be a sacramental marriage
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Any info would be great!
 
COPLAND_3 said:
I had a friend just ask me this

Any info would be great!
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In order for there to be a sacrament, both most be baptized. Otherwise, it is considered a natural marriage that is not sacramental. If sometime during the marriage, the couple are both baptized it becomes a sacramental marriage.
 
A sacramental marriage requires two baptized people. If one or both parties are unbaptized, then the marriage is a natural marriage rather than a sacramental marriage.

Don’t confuse “sacramental” with “valid.”

Unbaptized people can enter a valid marriage. If at some later point the unbaptized person is baptized, the marriage then becomes sacramental without any additional action.
 
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I couldn’t believe how similiar SuscipeMeDomine answer and mine were and posted at the same time too:eek:

SuscipeMeDomine information on not confusing valid and sacramental was right on:thumbsup:
 
adrift said:
In order for there to be a sacrament, both most be baptized. Otherwise, it is considered a natural marriage that is not sacramental. If sometime during the marriage, the couple are both baptized it becomes a sacramental marriage.
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Does this mean that marriage between a Catholic and an unbaptised person is valid but not sacramental even though the marriage takes place in a Catholic church?
 
thistle said:
Does this mean that marriage between a Catholic and an unbaptised person is valid but not sacramental even though the marriage takes place in a Catholic church?
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Yes

If one of the parties is not baptized, it is not a sacrement but it is a natural marriage.
 
adrift said:
Yes

If one of the parties is not baptized, it is not a sacrement but it is a natural marriage.
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Why would the Church require such a marriage to take place in the Church if it would not be sacramental?
 
thistle said:
Why would the Church require such a marriage to take place in the Church if it would not be sacramental?
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For a Catholic to enter a valid marriage it must take place according to the Catholic form or have a dispensation.

Catholic form means that the marriage must be witnessed by a priest or deacon. Generally that also means it takes place in a Catholic church.

So, if a Catholic and a non-baptized person get married according to the Catholic form, they enter a valid natural marriage. If they don’t follow the Catholic form (or get a dispensation) it is not a valid marriage at all.
 
thistle said:
Why would the Church require such a marriage to take place in the Church if it would not be sacramental?
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Interestingly, it was once not allowed in Church. My aunt was married in the rectory. It may not be a sacrament but it is still a serious undertaking best understood by having it in the Church. Even though it is not a sacrament the Catholic party is still obligated to follow Catholic form.
 
thistle said:
Why would the Church require such a marriage to take place in the Church if it would not be sacramental?
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It doesn’t require that.
Can. 1118 §1. A marriage between Catholics or between a Catholic party and a non-Catholic baptized party is to be celebrated in a parish church. It can be celebrated in another church or oratory with the permission of the local ordinary or pastor.
§2. The local ordinary can permit a marriage to be celebrated in another suitable place.
§3. A marriage between a Catholic party and a non-baptized party can be celebrated in a church or in another suitable place.
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COPLAND_3 said:
I had a friend just ask me this

Any info would be great!
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The sacrament of marriage involves two people. It must either be received as a sacrament by both or by neither.

The sacrament of Baptism is the first sacrament one receives. It must be received before any other sacrament can be received.
Can. 849 Baptism, the gateway to the sacraments …
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A marriage between a baptized Catholic and an unbaptized person is only a natural marriage. This is proven by the fact that the Church has always permitted such a marriage to be dissolved, under the Pauline privilege (1 Cor 7), so that the baptized person may remarry in the Church. It if were a valid Sacrament of marriage, this would not be possible.

No, it is not true that if two unbaptized persons have a merely natural marriage, and they are each then baptized that they automatically have the Sacrament of marriage. The Magisterium teaches that certain conditions are needed for a valid Sacrament of marriage, including proper form. Merely receiving baptism when you have a natural marriage does not fulfill that form.
 
Ron_Conte said:
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No, it is not true that if two unbaptized persons have a merely natural marriage, and they are each then baptized that they automatically have the Sacrament of marriage. The Magisterium teaches that certain conditions are needed for a valid Sacrament of marriage, including proper form. Merely receiving baptism when you have a natural marriage does not fulfill that form.
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Do you have a source for that? The Office of Worship in my diocese assures me that a valid natural marriage does become sacramental upon the baptism of the unbaptized party or parties with no further action. If you are right, and my bishop is wrong, I have misled a lot of people in my RCIA program. :eek:
 
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