Sacramental marriage

[decn2b]

Ok here is the question. Does the Catholic church view a methodist wedding as a sacrament?

If the answer is yes how does the Church view a wedding witnessed by a Woman Priest who claims to be an Ordained Catholic priest? (ess)

The reason why I ask is becuase my co-worker’s son is to be married in the coming weeks in a Methodist wedding and their pastor is a woman. If the witness to the marriage is not important then I guess the chruch would recognize my second question above as a valid Sacrament as well…

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[lak611]

Is your co-worker’s son Catholic or Methodist? If he is Catholic and getting married in a Methodist Church without a dispensation from the Catholic Church, he is entering into an invalid, non-sacramental marriage.

If your co-worker’s son is Methodist (baptized) or if he is another Christian religion besides Catholic and marrying a Methodist who is baptized, then it is a sacramental marriage because he is following the rules of his church.

A Catholic wedding can only be officiated by a validly ordained priest or deacon in order to be a valid sacrament. Women cannot be priests or deacons, so a woman who claims she is a “Catholic priest” would be excommunicated and unable to perform the wedding.

The Methodist Church allows women to be ministers (United Methodist), but not all Methodist churches (for instance First Congregational Methodist Church does not allow women ministers). So the Methodist marriage ceremony would be sacramental if between two Methodists, or a Methodist and another non-Catholic Christian.

 

[Kielbasi]

The first requirement is that both parties to the marriage **must **be validly baptized. If both aren’t, then it isn’t. If both are, the marriage definitely is sacramental whether they get married before a priest, a woman minister, a judge, an imam, or a rabbi.

EXCEPT if either party is Catholic, the couple must get married before a priest or have a dispensation, otherwise it is not a valid marriage at all.

 

[decn2b]

what if the two methodists who are baptized decide they don’t like the woman methodist minister and like the Self ordained Catholic priestess and decide to get married in witness to the Catholic preitess but remain methodists? As far as I am concerned the woman methodist ministers “ordination” is just as invalid as the Woman priestess. My point was since the church has no authority to ordain women how can we possible accept a methodist marriage witnessed by a woman minister as a sacrament.

 

[decn2b]

If both are, the marriage definitely is sacramental whether they get married before a priest, a woman minister, a judge, an imam, or a rabbi.

Is it sacramental even if they get married before a woman priestess? Or is women Catholic priestesses the only person who cannot witness a sacramental marriage? Remember these two are not and have never been Catholics. But I do believe they are both baptized methodists.

 

[puzzleannie]

Ok here is the question. Does the Catholic church view a methodist wedding as a sacrament?

If??

this question was anwered on at least two threads just in the past week. A marriage between two baptized Christians (who are free to marry) is both valid and sacramental. A marriage between two unbaptized persons, or between a baptized Christian and an unbaptized person is a valid natural marriage (if both are free to marry), as long as the witness has the legal authority to do so.

A Catholic may not marry a non-Catholic, baptized or not, without a dispensation from the bishop. Only Catholics are bound by Church laws on marriage: witnessed by a priest or deacon etc. All persons are bound by natural law: marriage is between a man and a woman, etc.

 

[Kielbasi]

Is it sacramental even if they get married before a woman priestess? Or is women Catholic priestesses the only person who cannot witness a sacramental marriage? Remember these two are not and have never been Catholics. But I do believe they are both baptized methodists.

Absolutely, it would be sacramental. As they are Methodists, they aren’t bound by the law of the Catholic Church. The priestesses are only witnesses to the marriage, they aren’t “performing” the sacrament, the couple is.

 

[decn2b]

After reflection I realized that the authorized witness is simply a witness and not the adminterer of the sacrament. I guess a priestess can validly baptize as well since anyone can baptize under the appropriate situation.

 

[puzzleannie]

Methodists do not have priests and priestesses, they clergy are ministers.