Sacraments for infant

[Vico]

Fact is most Latin parishes would not bother checking to see if anyone is canonically Eastern, and would allow them to partake of various Sacraments whether or not allowed. I know one which is allowing someone to marry, without the “necessary” permission which only the Eastern bishop is allowed to give.

Without the faculty from the local hierarch or local pastor it may be invalid.
CCEO Canon 828

1. Only those marriages are valid which are celebrated with a sacred rite, in the presence of the local hierarch, local pastor, or a priest who has been given the faculty of blessing the marriage by either of them, and at least two witnesses, according, however to the prescriptions of the following canons, with due regard for the exceptions mentioned in cann. 832 and 834, 2.
2. That rite which is considered a sacred rite is the intervention a priest assisting and blessing.

CCEO Canon 832

1. If one cannot have present or have access to a priest who is competent according to the norm of law without grave inconvenience, those intending to celebrate a true marriage can validly and licitly celebrate it before witnesses alone:INDENT in danger of death;
   (2) outside the danger of death, as long as it is prudently foreseen that such circumstances will continue for a month.
2. In either case, if another priest, even a non-Catholic one, is able to be present, inasmuch as it is possible he is to be called so that he can bless the marriage, without prejudice for the validity of a marriage in the presence only of the witnesses.
3. If a marriage was celebrated in the presence only of witnesses, the spouses shall not neglect to receive the blessing of the marriage from a priest as soon as possible.
   [/INDENT]CCEO Can. 834.2

If, however, a Catholic party enrolled in some Eastern Church celebrates a marriage with one who belongs to an Eastern non-Catholic Church, the form for the celebration of marriage prescribed by law is to be observed only for liceity; for validity, however, the blessing of a priest is required, while observing the other requirements of law.

 

[SyroMalankara]

I recognize the Canon, the statement I made still stands, I know at least a few Easterners who were not asked to get the proper dispensations from the proper hierarch. The Latin priests simply did what they do for their usual Latin parishioners, and is treating the Easterner as a Latin. I realize this causes invalidity, yet no one seems to care. What is one to do about it? Meanwhile, the Eastern priests are well aware and follow the proper protocols to dot the i’s and cross the t’s.

 

[malphono]

I recognize the Canon, the statement I made still stands, I know at least a few Easterners who were not asked to get the proper dispensations from the proper hierarch. The Latin priests simply did what they do for their usual Latin parishioners, and is treating the Easterner as a Latin. I realize this causes invalidity, yet no one seems to care. What is one to do about it? Meanwhile, the Eastern priests are well aware and follow the proper protocols to dot the i’s and cross the t’s.

This reminds me of a chat I had with a Latin priest who is a personal friend, and who went to seminary with several UGCCs. Anyway, we were discussing a variety of things and he said “How is it that you guys always seem to know so much about our ractice, and we always seem to know so little about yours?”

 

[Vico]

I recognize the Canon, the statement I made still stands, I know at least a few Easterners who were not asked to get the proper dispensations from the proper hierarch. The Latin priests simply did what they do for their usual Latin parishioners, and is treating the Easterner as a Latin. I realize this causes invalidity, yet no one seems to care. What is one to do about it? Meanwhile, the Eastern priests are well aware and follow the proper protocols to dot the i’s and cross the t’s.

The eastern Catholic or priest that learns it is invalid should apply for convalidation. The radical sanation initiated by the priest can correct the lack of delegation, and may even be be granted without the knowledge of the couple.

 

[Colt45ACP]

I recognize the Canon, the statement I made still stands, I know at least a few Easterners who were not asked to get the proper dispensations from the proper hierarch. The Latin priests simply did what they do for their usual Latin parishioners, and is treating the Easterner as a Latin. I realize this causes invalidity, yet no one seems to care. What is one to do about it? Meanwhile, the Eastern priests are well aware and follow the proper protocols to dot the i’s and cross the t’s.

Not in my parish. Our former Ruthenian pastor would baptize/chrismate/give holy communion to the children of visiting Latin Rite Catholics who we would never see again. It was a matter of Latin Rite “traditional Catholics” (the pastor himself longed to be one) wanting their children to have the “trifecta.” His actions have caused problems for his replacement.

 

[knowseauto]

I just wanted to post a quick update. I spoke with the eparchy a few weeks ago and it was confirmed that my husband is, by rite, Byzantine.

We are still trying to decide what is going to be our best plan of action as far as sacraments. We will start to open a dialogue with our current parish, the closest Byzantine, and our former parishes to discuss the options available to us.

Thank you for all of your advice and information. We appreciate that which we have received thus far and look forward to anything else you are wiling to share.

 

[babochka]

I just wanted to post a quick update. I spoke with the eparchy a few weeks ago and it was confirmed that my husband is, by rite, Byzantine.

We are still trying to decide what is going to be our best plan of action as far as sacraments. We will start to open a dialogue with our current parish, the closest Byzantine, and our former parishes to discuss the options available to us.

Thank you for all of your advice and information. We appreciate that which we have received thus far and look forward to anything else you are wiling to share.

If the Sacramento parish is closest, please feel free to send me a private message. I’ll help you in any way I can.

 

[MorEphrem]

A number of “traditional Catholics” would contact the former pastor and then show up from out of town for a Sunday baptism and then they would never be seen again, all because they wanted their infants to receive baptism/chrismation/communion in one ceremony.

But don’t we all profess the same Catholic faith?

Anyway, I miss the OP the best. Contacting the chancery does seem to be the best starting option.

 

[knowseauto]

Just to be clear as there appears to be some friction here. My husband and I are not cafeteria Catholics or those who only attend on Christmas/Easter. With our careers we move on a regular basis (every 18-24 months). When we relocate we are not always in close enough to become members at a Byzantine church. When we are in that position, we become active in a local Roman church because in the end we are all Catholic. We still observe the Byzantine fasting, holy days, and traditions even when we aren’t attending Byzantine liturgies.

We are not doing this just so that our child gets all of the sacraments at once so that we can then forget about the church. We are doing this because we want our child to grow up fully in the faith. I have faith that our friends from our former parish would welcome us back if we decide to travel there when the time comes. I hope that they would not judge us harshly just because we are no longer able to remain members of that parish.