Sacraments the same?

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Why should the roman rite sacrament be the same everywhere? there are different cultures, but why must the sacraments be the same for all cultures?
 
henrikhank said:
Why should the roman rite sacrament be the same everywhere? there are different cultures, but why must the sacraments be the same for all cultures?
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Something must have prompted this odd question. What was it?
 
henrikhank said:
Why should the roman rite sacrament be the same everywhere? there are different cultures, but why must the sacraments be the same for all cultures?
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The Sacraments were established by Jesus. The Church has clarified the specific matter and form for the valid celebration of each Sacrament. This cannot be changed.

The Rite of Celebration of each Sacrament has been developed by the Church and, without making changes to matter and form, this can be changed - by the Church only.

Cultural differences can be permitted where they do not change the matter, the form or the rite of celebration. In other words, there can be cultural differences in things external to the Sacrament. For example, the unity candle is not a part of the Rite of Celebration of Marriage, but is permitted. Girls wearing white dresses and veils is not part of the Rite, but is a cultural thing. A bride leaving her bouquet of flowers at a statue of Our Lady is a cultural thing.

there are many ways culture can enter into the celebration of the Sacraments, but, in no way can the essentials be changed, and the Rite of Celebration can only be changed by the Vatican.

I hope that answers your question.
 
The Sacraments are at the very heart and core of our faith. They cannot be changed, they were instituted by Jesus and passed on to us by the successors to the apostles.

The Church does in fact recognize cultural differences especially since Vatican II. You will see this in such things as the use of the vernacular at Mass, music for Mass from local tradition, different practices at Mass (such as when to kneel and stand), how one dresses at Mass, different forms of private devotions and piety, etc.

In fact Sacrosanctum Concilium says
D) Norms for adapting the Liturgy to the culture and traditions of peoples
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  1. Even in the liturgy, the Church has no wish to impose a rigid uniformity in matters which do not implicate the faith or the good of the whole community; rather does she respect and foster the genius and talents of the various races and peoples. Anything in these peoples’ way of life which is not indissolubly bound up with superstition and error she studies with sympathy and, if possible, preserves intact. Sometimes in fact she admits such things into the liturgy itself, so long as they harmonize with its true and authentic spirit.
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  1. Provisions shall also be made, when revising the liturgical books, for legitimate variations and adaptations to different groups, regions, and peoples, especially in mission lands, provided that the substantial unity of the Roman rite is preserved; and this should be borne in mind when drawing up the rites and devising rubrics.
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  1. Within the limits set by the typical editions of the liturgical books, it shall be for the competent territorial ecclesiastical authority mentioned in Art. 22, 2, to specify adaptations, especially in the case of the administration of the sacraments, the sacramentals, processions, liturgical language, sacred music, and the arts, but according to the fundamental norms laid down in this Constitution.
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So while the Sacraments are unchangeable, there is some room for cultural adaptation in the Liturgy and other devotional practices.
 
Joan_M said:
The Sacraments were established by Jesus. The Church has clarified the specific matter and form for the valid celebration of each Sacrament. This cannot be changed.

The Rite of Celebration of each Sacrament has been developed by the Church and, without making changes to matter and form, this can be changed - by the Church only.

Cultural differences can be permitted where they do not change the matter, the form or the rite of celebration. In other words, there can be cultural differences in things external to the Sacrament. For example, the unity candle is not a part of the Rite of Celebration of Marriage, but is permitted. Girls wearing white dresses and veils is not part of the Rite, but is a cultural thing. A bride leaving her bouquet of flowers at a statue of Our Lady is a cultural thing.

there are many ways culture can enter into the celebration of the Sacraments, but, in no way can the essentials be changed, and the Rite of Celebration can only be changed by the Vatican.

I hope that answers your question.
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would there be much culture difference if we would go back to the 1962 Tridentine Mass?
 
henrikhank said:
would there be much culture difference if we would go back to the 1962 Tridentine Mass?
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There have always been cultural differences in the customs surrounding the sacraments, even in the Tridentine Mass. There are specific Rites for the Sacraments, but the customs vary from place to place.
 
henrikhank said:
Why should the roman rite sacrament be the same everywhere? there are different cultures, but why must the sacraments be the same for all cultures?
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Why do you think they should be different? How do you think they should alter for different cultures? For example, what is your culture and how do you think the sacraments should be adapted to your culture?
 
henrikhank said:
Why should the roman rite sacrament be the same everywhere? there are different cultures, but why must the sacraments be the same for all cultures?
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There is One God, One Christ, One Church; and also the human nature is the same all over the Earth.
 
CB_Catholic said:
There have always been cultural differences in the customs surrounding the sacraments, even in the Tridentine Mass. There are specific Rites for the Sacraments, but the customs vary from place to place.
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please explain
 
henrikhank said:
please explain
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Well, in some places even in the Tridentine Mass vernacular hymns were used that were traditional to the local culture. Laszlo can explain more, I believe his country (Hungary?) was one of them.
 
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