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CatholicFireman
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Wow, now that’s dedication!
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OraLabora
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You could quite rightly call me a “chant freak”Wow, now that’s dedication!
I’m also a member of the Gregorian Institute of Canada. I gave a presentation recently on the new Antiphonale Romanum at their annual colloquium.
Private message me for a link (being an anonymous forum, I don’t want to broadcast my real name).
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archangel04
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Chant is great! Have you guys ever heard it applied to secular music? Sounds amazin, here is one of my favorites
youtube.com/watch?v=iOkHpVVAFEQ
youtube.com/watch?v=iOkHpVVAFEQ
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xixxvmcm85
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I posted that response flippantly in response to this:
It’s not how I actually feel, rather it’s a charicature of the so-called liberal liturgist/music coordinator. I’ve actually been called a bigot of sorts for expressing my preference for traditional music and the Extraordinary Form of the Mass.LOL. I was hoping the only posters would be like-minded people. So far so good.
I guess I forgot a couple dozen emoticons to show that I wasn’t being serious.
I’m sorry for any grief I’ve caused for those who read that post.
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CatholicFireman
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Then I owe you an appology. Sorry. I just didn’t get it.I posted that response flippantly in response to this:
It’s not how I actually feel, rather it’s a charicature of the so-called liberal liturgist/music coordinator. I’ve actually been called a bigot of sorts for expressing my preference for traditional music and the Extraordinary Form of the Mass.
I guess I forgot a couple dozen emoticons to show that I wasn’t being serious.
I’m sorry for any grief I’ve caused for those who read that post.
You know the old saying: it’s hard to tell sarcasm on here. Peace.
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KShaft
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Well you are in SF, I wouldn’t be surprised if you get called a bigot for attending mass regularly.I posted that response flippantly in response to this:
It’s not how I actually feel, rather it’s a charicature of the so-called liberal liturgist/music coordinator. I’ve actually been called a bigot of sorts for expressing my preference for traditional music and the Extraordinary Form of the Mass.
I guess I forgot a couple dozen emoticons to show that I wasn’t being serious.
I’m sorry for any grief I’ve caused for those who read that post.
“What you dont go in just once in a while to refill your spirit tank to make yourself feel better? Commitment to the Almighty [smirk]? What are you some church nazi? What a weirdo, Im gonna go eat my salad now. Now where did I park my Prius?”
New age hippies that masquerade as “Catholics” and try to change everything to conform to what the rest of the world does. Were supposed to do the opposite.
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CatholicFireman
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I know what you are talking about. I pray for him and especially for the brave souls that do the Walk for Life every year to verbal abuse along the way. Reminds me of Jesus carrying the cross. Pax†
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xixxvmcm85
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Which is why I owed you an apology as well.Then I owe you an appology. Sorry. I just didn’t get it.
You know the old saying: it’s hard to tell sarcasm on here. Peace.
Sorry again to everyone I offended due to my imprudent judgment.
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xixxvmcm85
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Actually, the majority of the condescension I’ve experienced came from fellow Catholics, usually the ones that are overly enamored with the OF. My hippy-esque friends are surprisingly very supportive, and a few have even come to Mass with me to say “Oh my God! That was so beautiful!”
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CatholicFireman
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Now that’s pretty cool.
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OraLabora
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Hook 'em with music I say. Gregorian chant!
It probably won’t surprise anyone in this thread to learn that Gregorian chant was a big influence on my “comeback” to the Church after a long period as a lapsed Catholic, and also figured big in my becoming a Benedictine Oblate as well… of a monastery that still uses Gregorian chant daily!
It probably won’t surprise anyone in this thread to learn that Gregorian chant was a big influence on my “comeback” to the Church after a long period as a lapsed Catholic, and also figured big in my becoming a Benedictine Oblate as well… of a monastery that still uses Gregorian chant daily!
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Wow, thats interesting. I am greatly priveledged to be in a choir, and the Masses are only EF Mass.The Propers and Ordinaries are all in Gregorian Chant. I am very self-conscious about singing them correctly, so not to cause any scandal! I think it was the first time I heard Mass VIII De Angelis that I was especially touched by the reverence of the Chant and desired to sing it.
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JHow
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Hello Catholic Fireman:
I am taking a break from learning how to “bend” the second hole draw on my harmonica to respond to your video:
The video was well done. I cracked a smile at the “not appropriate for mass” dance at 5:40 minutes (humor is useful). I do think I have seen nearly all those quotes come up in the context of the “guitar wars” threads elsewhere on the forum. I agree with you traditionalist folk that this music is certainly beautiful and I would not complain at all if it were performed at my parish - even if it was exclusively performed.
My question is: who is the audience for this video? If you want to restore chant, don’t you need to convince music directors, priests, bishops, etc.? I wasn’t around in the 60’s or 70’s or whenever the music changed, but was that change top-down or bottom-up? I don’t see this as a grass roots thing. I know the video says that there are wonderful resources to learn chant, and I plan on checking those out, but I know too that music (any music) is not easy to do really well. Some people have talent and others just need to listen. Some of the “folksy” tunes we have as mass at my parish include attempts to get the congregation to clap in time with the music - the results are awful, people can’t do it, they take several measures of out-of-time slapping to get close to the beat. It’s like Squidward’s marching band on SpongeBob. I don’t see them leading a music revolution of any kind.
The other problem I think you face is that some people really like what the video described as “syrupy or sappy” songs. It’s not that they don’t know about how great chant is (they probably vaguely heard of it) - but they think the syrupy stuff sounds better! To them it is moving and uplifting and sets the right tone at mass. How do you tell someone that what they find moving is not moving?
I wish you all well with the chant restoration. I hope you succeed. If the revolution makes it to my parish I will be (silently) stamping and cheering for you.
Cheers,
JHow
I am taking a break from learning how to “bend” the second hole draw on my harmonica to respond to your video:
The video was well done. I cracked a smile at the “not appropriate for mass” dance at 5:40 minutes (humor is useful). I do think I have seen nearly all those quotes come up in the context of the “guitar wars” threads elsewhere on the forum. I agree with you traditionalist folk that this music is certainly beautiful and I would not complain at all if it were performed at my parish - even if it was exclusively performed.
My question is: who is the audience for this video? If you want to restore chant, don’t you need to convince music directors, priests, bishops, etc.? I wasn’t around in the 60’s or 70’s or whenever the music changed, but was that change top-down or bottom-up? I don’t see this as a grass roots thing. I know the video says that there are wonderful resources to learn chant, and I plan on checking those out, but I know too that music (any music) is not easy to do really well. Some people have talent and others just need to listen. Some of the “folksy” tunes we have as mass at my parish include attempts to get the congregation to clap in time with the music - the results are awful, people can’t do it, they take several measures of out-of-time slapping to get close to the beat. It’s like Squidward’s marching band on SpongeBob. I don’t see them leading a music revolution of any kind.
The other problem I think you face is that some people really like what the video described as “syrupy or sappy” songs. It’s not that they don’t know about how great chant is (they probably vaguely heard of it) - but they think the syrupy stuff sounds better! To them it is moving and uplifting and sets the right tone at mass. How do you tell someone that what they find moving is not moving?
I wish you all well with the chant restoration. I hope you succeed. If the revolution makes it to my parish I will be (silently) stamping and cheering for you.
Cheers,
JHow
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CatholicFireman
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You bring up a very good arguement. I posted the video for enjoyment and for those who love sacred music during the mass. I guess if you really want your questions answered on this subject you can contact ccwatershed at their website. They can provide much better answers than I.
Peace.
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p.s. Good luck with that harmonica practice.
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hoop0826
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thanks for linking this video in. We use the chant recordings available on Watershed’s website to assist in learning our chants for the EF Mass. Also, I have a instructional CD and book called A Gregorian Chant Master Class by Dr. Marier that has Scott Turkington on it as the director of the schola on the CD, which was recommended by our choir director. Interesting how these things are tying together.
I think that our generation needs something to contribute to Catholicism that helps us to identify it as our own religion, and that we are really an important part of the Church and a Church with such a monumentous history. I think that Gregorian Chant, and Liturgical music, and the Latin Mass can really help our generation to get connected into the whole of which is the Church and continuing to keep Her Traditions alive.
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