Sacred Oral and Written Tradition

[guanophore]

I’ve never ignored the Catechism of the Catholic Church because i used to own one and read it. I even tried to use the Companion of the Catechism of the Catholic Church too. If Catholics were honest, you guys have difficulites even trying to interpert the Catechism…thus you have a companion to tell you what the Catechism is saying or trying to say. Heck, Roman Catholicism is so confused with all these sources, it almost seems in the CC that people will be saved apart from faith in Christ.

You are very big on the sovereignty of God. Would you not agree that He can save whoever He wants, however He likes? Don’t you think it has always been this way?

 

[guanophore]

I understand your frustration in trying to pin down the content of Sacred Tradition. It sounds like what would most appeal to you would be a list of teachings that comprise Sacred Tradition as handed down from the Apostles; unfortunately you won’t find anything like this.

I’m also trying to get a better understanding of Sacred Tradition. I’m taking an intro graduate Catholic theology course at Christendom College and one of the lectures dealt with Tradition. According to our professor, Sacred Tradition complements Sacred Scripture and is coequal to Scripture. Tradition was the form in which the original teachings of Christ and the Apostles were handed down in the early Church before the Scriptures were completed and the canon was sealed. The Church Fathers do give an indication of the teachings of Tradition, but their combined written teachings are not the same thing as Tradition. Tradition is transmitted through the Magisterium and is not necessarily found in the individual teachings of each Church Father. The Fathers are not considered infallible and they can err (for example look at some of the writings of Origen). But when the Fathers agree on a teaching, it is a sign that they are teaching from Tradition.

There is a debate within Catholic theological circles about whether the entire content of Sacred Tradition is found within Sacred Scripture. Some theologians hold that there exists a subset of Sacred Tradition called constitutive Tradition. Constitutive tradition is extra-scriptural doctrines with no clear foundation in Scripture. Those who hold this view believe that some teachings of Tradition (like the canon of Scripture) are not in Scripture. A key point is that even though constitutive Tradition is extra-Scriptural, it does not contradict Sacred Scripture.

Other theologians believe that constitutive Tradition does not exist. Instead they believe that all Catholic teachings have at least a starting point within Scripture. Those who hold this view believe that Sacred Tradition is more akin to the authentic interpretation of Sacred Scripture by the Magisterium (those theologians who support constitutive Tradition also believe Tradition plays a large role in giving authentic interpretation to Scripture).

I’ll leave out the details of the debate between the two camps (such as whether the canon of Scripture is a true element of constitutive Tradition).

No matter which view is correct, Tradition should be viewed as an organic embodiment of the living teachings of Christ in the Church. It provides an authentic interpretation of the Scriptures and the living manifestation of those teachings (such as the Sacraments and liturgy). Hence you won’t find a laundry list of Traditions.

A good scholarly work to look at is “Tradition and Traditions” by Yves Congar. I’m reading through that one right now.

Welcome to CAF and thanks for your scholarly posting. Keep it up!

 

[guanophore]

Do you understand how unbiblical this position is. If I understand the Roman Catholic position, you are changing the great good news of God (gospel of God’s grace) into terrible bad condemning news. Are you saying that a sinner becomes accountable and condemned once they are preached the good news and reject it? Do you see what happens when you leave Sola Scriptura, because the gospel changes from great news to accountable condemning news. Please correct my understanding if I am wrong. My Scriptural proof is Roman chapter 1, chapter 2, and John 3. I’ll let you guys study the issues before I share what Scripture reveals on this important issue. Your last paragraph is my hope for the remnant within the Roman Catholic Church.

It would be impossible for us to “leave SS” since it was not an Apostolic doctrine. It constitutes a “different gospel” and there fore, had to be rejected as soon as it was formed, 1500 years after Christ.

Jesus said that those who do not believe are condemned already. This is because we are all born under the penalty of death. It is only the grace of God that can save us from the sin of Adam. If we hear about that grace, and reject it, there is therefore no longer any sacrifice that can save one.

 

[guanophore]

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Don’t forget what happened on October 31.

Is this part of your sacred tradition?

“So, on this day, October 31, 1517,(Martin Luther) posted a list of 95 propositions on the church door in Wittenberg. In his day, this was the means of inviting scholars to debate important issues. No one took up Luther’s challenge to debate at that time, but once news of his proposals became known, many began to discuss the issue Luther raised that salvation was by faith in Christ’s work alone. Luther apparently at first expected the pope to agree with his position, since it was based on Scripture; but in 1520, the Pope issued a decree condemning Luther’s views. Luther publicly burned the papal decree. With that act, he also burned his bridges behind him.”

One thing that is interesting to me is the perception that Luther “burned his bridges behind him”. I have read that the reason he retained his belief in the Immaculate Conception and prayed his rosary every day is because he was still “contaminated with Romanism”. So, what “bridge” was burned?

 

[guanophore]

I will allow others to deal with the more specific issues in the texts you’ve provided for I am a simple man, however I do find your last sentence somewhat insulting and disappointing. I had believed you were of a more serious and open minded bent in your quest to undertand the True Church. This make it appear that I was in error.

Peace
James

James, it will benefit you to do a search on “Reformed”. Look especially at the first couple dozen postings. There you will see the mindset by which he has entered CAF, and his motives quite plainly. If you look at the threads he has started, it is clear what his agenda is here.

You have a good eye.

 

[guanophore]

Wrong. While I do not have at my fingertips the date of the first Catechism, I can tell you that as a child…52 years ago at the age of 6 I was learning from a “Catechism”, and it was a “standardized” Catechism. So, no, this is not a novel and new invention. Sorry. The answers provide vis a vis the Catechism are entirely proper and pertinent.

Amen Rob!

The earliest catechism we have is called the Didache, and it was written during the Apostolic age 80-100, probably before the Revelation of John.

 

[guanophore]

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Trick or treat, don’t foget what happened on a special October 31

There are many great saints commemorated on that day!

 

[guanophore]

Are you calling Jude a liar? God is infinite, but the deposit of faith is not.

No, there is no “lie” in scripture (except those that are indicated as such). Jude speaks of the Revelation. People are not infinite, and it takes us some long time to figure many things out.

Jude 1:3

Judgment on False Teachers
3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

1 Timothy 6:20

20 O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called “knowledge,”

This guarding of the deposit entrusted is what the Magesterium has done since the Apostolic times.

Hey, how come Paul didn’t tell Peter to guard the deposit of faith? Maybe Timothy was the first Pope?

Why would Paul need to do that? Peter is the holder of the deposit. Paul recognized that Jesus gave the deposit to His apostles. Timothy was one of the first bishops, and from them we have the divine deposit of faith preserved to this day.

 

[RobGentner]

Maybe someone can post my question with a Catholic Forum apologist? I’ve studied and read through the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the companion before.

Hi Reformed. :tiphat:

You mean to say that you aren’t allowed to post your own question to a Catholic Forum Apologist? Can I do anything to help? That is wrong. :tsktsk: They should allow anyone to do that!
Good news for you. I think I can help with your thirst for knowledge. I heard that Rome has a lot of the RCC Sacred Oral and Written Tradition in storage.
I am guessing here, but the other Catholics should have their own Sacred Oral and Written Tradition Repositories:tada:. Some of the Friendlier groups may have their Sacred Oral and Written Tradition stored together in the RCC repository, at the World Headquarters of The Roman Catholic Church in Rome. We call it the Vatican. Their Mailing Address is: The Apostolic Palace, 00120 Vatican City, Europe. The Vatican’s website: vatican.va/. I know they should be able to provide you a complete copy of Sacred Written Tradition. I believe they will charge about $1 a page, plus postage.
You should be able to just sent them a list including the date the document was written. That will speed up the search. I would think they file them alphabetically, so the author of any specific document you want would help.
I think a Monk named Anonymous wrote the most documents, If I heard correctly. But I may be wrong. If I wasn’t really sure I would just guess it was by him. The bad news is the Monks have not completed posting all of Sacred Written Tradition to the computers yet. :compcoff: I think they are up to 20 or 30 AD? There are miles of Sacred Written Tradition and it is being reviewed and put into piles, tradition one pile ,Sacred Tradition in another pile! And the Oral Tradition is another problem! Hopefully, every thing should be completed by 2250AD, if they work through the holidays.
I would think they should be able to send you any individual Sacret Written Tradition in less that 25 years, 50 at the most. I may be wrong about that also. You better check with themhust to make sure!
The problem with the Sacred Oral Tradition is once we write it down…:doh2: … You guessed it … It becomes “Sacred Written Tradtion!” Then they have to send it over to the Sacred Written Tradition Department. I Heard that the RCC is working on solving that problem. Myself, I believe that if we just continue to write down the Oral Tradition the problem should eliminate itself. But, what do I know?

I hope this helps you. I have no doubt as to your extreme sincerity in your quest to acquire copies of our Sacred Oral and Written Traditions. I might even let you use my Catholic Membership Number if it would help! Just let me know.

Have a Blessed Day!

 

[ncgolf]

Sacred Tradition is necessary to reveal the depth of Sacred Scripture. I see Sacred Tradition as the living portion of the Church revealing what God intends in Sacred Scripture. Both need to exist so the **fullness **of what has been revealed can be communicated to the rest of the world.

What this implies is there are truths in many Protestant churches but they cannot contain the fullness of God’s revelation. One can see what happens when Sacred Tradition is missing … just about any interpretation can be justified hence confusion in the Christian community and the necessity of this forum.

Notice this also does not entail the perfection of those in Church leadership … bad popes, wicked priests etc. The glory and power of God to protect His church through consistent teaching for the last 2000 years is in spite of those not because of those. Wicked popes did wicked things but their wickedness did permeate into Church teaching.

We all seek some sort of assurance on matters … if I need a lawyer one who is licensed is sought … same with doctors, CPA’s you name it. The Church gives this assurance so others may come to trust and believe in Christ’s legacy to us.

Let’s say we have a book club and the book is the Bible … we all gather to discuss this book … we all have opinions but the author decides to show up and talk with us … what does that render our discussion. We would have to listen to the author and to his intent, rendering anything we say to mere opinion. Catholics believe the Church is the mystical body of Christ, hence when the Church speaks, it is Christ revealing His truth though His Church. Catholics believe the author is still with us … that is the difference.

 

[RobGentner]

Sacred Tradition is necessary to reveal the depth of Sacred Scripture. I see Sacred Tradition as the living portion of the Church revealing what God intends in Sacred Scripture. Both need to exist so the **fullness **of what has been revealed can be communicated to the rest of the world.

What this implies is there are truths in many Protestant churches but they cannot contain the fullness of God’s revelation. One can see what happens when Sacred Tradition is missing … just about any interpretation can be justified hence confusion in the Christian community and the necessity of this forum.

Notice this also does not entail the perfection of those in Church leadership … bad popes, wicked priests etc. The glory and power of God to protect His church through consistent teaching for the last 2000 years is in spite of those not because of those. Wicked popes did wicked things but their wickedness did permeate into Church teaching.

We all seek some sort of assurance on matters … if I need a lawyer one who is licensed is sought … same with doctors, CPA’s you name it. The Church gives this assurance so others may come to trust and believe in Christ’s legacy to us.

Let’s say we have a book club and the book is the Bible … we all gather to discuss this book … we all have opinions but the author decides to show up and talk with us … what does that render our discussion. We would have to listen to the author and to his intent, rendering anything we say to mere opinion. Catholics believe the Church is the mystical body of Christ, hence when the Church speaks, it is Christ revealing His truth though His Church. Catholics believe the author is still with us … that is the difference.

Hi ncgolf,:tiphat:

Really good post! Right on target! However, Reformed doesn’t care . You realize that right? :ehh:

He doesn’t reply unless it is in the scriptural responses he has written down. :coffeeread: He is sending stupid pictures! :yawn: That helps show his mental incapacity to logically discuss the questions that He originally asked!

God Bless

 

[Nickkname]

Please teach me what Roman Catholic Christians believe on the topic of Sacred Tradition. How do you determine if tradition is just tradition or considered to be Sacred Tradition? For instance, are all of the early church Father’s writings considered to be Sacred Tradition, or just tradition? Can you direct me to a website to all of the Sacred Tradition revelation of the Catholic Church? Help me understand why Sacred Tradition is not considered new and ongoing revelation since Jude verse 3 tells us the deposit of faith was once for all delivered to the saints. Therefore, I don’t believe the Orthodox Christian Faith allows for new revelation, or does it?

I know you already said you know about Sacred Written Tradition, so I’ll leave that be. The Sacred Oral Tradition is in the preaching, good example, and religious observations of the successors of the Apostles. This is what the Church teaches.

Here is the Church document “Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation” which states that Sacred Oral Tradition is in the Bishops. It’s a little bit of a long read, so I’ll give you a snippet and a link to the rest:

1. In His gracious goodness, God has seen to it that what He had revealed for the salvation of all nations would abide perpetually in its full integrity and be handed on to all generations. Therefore Christ the Lord in whom the full revelation of the supreme God is brought to completion (see Cor. 1:20; 3:13; 4:6), commissioned the Apostles to preach to all men that Gospel which is the source of all saving truth and moral teaching, (1) and to impart to them heavenly gifts. This Gospel had been promised in former times through the prophets, and Christ Himself had fulfilled it and promulgated it with His lips. This commission was faithfully fulfilled by the Apostles who, by their oral preaching, by example, and by observances handed on what they had received from the lips of Christ, from living with Him, and from what He did, or what they had learned through the prompting of the Holy Spirit. The commission was fulfilled, too, by those Apostles and apostolic men who under the inspiration of the same Holy Spirit committed the message of salvation to writing. (2)

But in order to keep the Gospel forever whole and alive within the Church, the Apostles left bishops as their successors, “handing over” to them “the authority to teach in their own place.”(3) This sacred tradition, therefore, and Sacred Scripture of both the Old and New Testaments are like a mirror in which the pilgrim Church on earth looks at God, from whom she has received everything, until she is brought finally to see Him as He is, face to face (see 1 John 3:2).

Read the rest of Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation here

 

[ncgolf]

Hi ncgolf,:tiphat:

Really good post! Right on target! However, Reformed doesn’t care . You realize that right? :ehh:

He doesn’t reply unless it is in the scriptural responses he has written down. :coffeeread: He is sending stupid pictures! :yawn: That helps show his mental incapacity to logically discuss the questions that He originally asked!

God Bless

Oh I know that but what it does is make me think. Others have posted using Scripture to articulate the Catholic view point on Tradition but there is also a reasoned approach that can support it as well. The more he posts the more it makes sense, to me, on the necessity of Sacred Tradition. We have thousands of little t tradtions roaming around adding to the confusion amongst Christians. It does not make sense that God would want us to be confused amongst ourselves but that does seem to be the current state of affairs.

The funny thing is reformed supports tradition also … he puts into practice what he gleams from Scripture … and passes it on too. Easy for him but why would anyone else trust him … this is where the I know Scripture better than you and I can prove it by out quoting you comes into play. I see a common thread in many of his postings that Catholics just dont get Scripture or are afraid of Scripture. He has to be superior in his interpretation and prove he is superior or risk just being another voice.

I wonder where Catholicism would be without Sacred Tradition …

 

[guanophore]

The funny thing is reformed supports tradition also … he puts into practice what he gleams from Scripture … and passes it on too. Easy for him but why would anyone else trust him … this is where the I know Scripture better than you and I can prove it by out quoting you comes into play. I see a common thread in many of his postings that Catholics just dont get Scripture or are afraid of Scripture. He has to be superior in his interpretation and prove he is superior or risk just being another voice.

I wonder where Catholicism would be without Sacred Tradition …

We would all be “reformed” or each man doing what was right in his own eyes, spawning new communities whenever there was a disagreement. You are right about the need to be superior in order to have a sense of validity.

 

[RobGentner]

Oh I know that but what it does is make me think. Others have posted using Scripture to articulate the Catholic view point on Tradition but there is also a reasoned approach that can support it as well. The more he posts the more it makes sense, to me, on the necessity of Sacred Tradition. We have thousands of little t tradtions roaming around adding to the confusion amongst Christians. It does not make sense that God would want us to be confused amongst ourselves but that does seem to be the current state of affairs.

The funny thing is reformed supports tradition also … he puts into practice what he gleams from Scripture … and passes it on too. Easy for him but why would anyone else trust him … this is where the I know Scripture better than you and I can prove it by out quoting you comes into play. I see a common thread in many of his postings that Catholics just dont get Scripture or are afraid of Scripture. He has to be superior in his interpretation and prove he is superior or risk just being another voice.

I wonder where Catholicism would be without Sacred Tradition …

Hi NC,

You are quickly becoming a hero of mine. I also use their questions to teach myself. I am amazed with how the small traditions in our church seem to mean so much to even our own people. They sometimes disregard the large Ts and just follow blindly. That isn’t praticing your religion. They are following their Mothers or Father’s religion. They don’t have a personal relationship with Jesus or our belief system.

No wonder the Protestants have problem understanding Us.

God Bless

 

[ncgolf]

Hi NC,

You are quickly becoming a hero of mine. I also use their questions to teach myself. I am amazed with how the small traditions in our church seem to mean so much to even our own people. They sometimes disregard the large Ts and just follow blindly. That isn’t praticing your religion. They are following their Mothers or Father’s religion. They don’t have a personal relationship with Jesus or our belief system.

No wonder the Protestants have problem understanding Us.

God Bless

A hero … I have no superpowers, although I can leap curbs in a single bound.

Maybe blindly is a bit stong. I remember my grandmother completed 8th grade and my grandfather completed only up to 4th before having to work to help support their family. The taught me about the Eucharist, prayers, reverence not so much by reading Scripture … they really could not read effectively enough to do this but orally … and by practice. It was not until I was much older that it hit me. What hit me was they lived as they believed … though they probably could not have defended it apologetically. That is how I see Sacred Tradition … the Church teaching the faithful how to be Catholics, to live as Catholics. Catholicism is not so much an exercise of the intelligence but a way of life … a way of seeing the world as Christ sees it … because we have the lens He has.

It is ok to follow … even blindly for a time … the trust is that what needs to be revealed will be. All who seek find … it is important to be at minimum a seeker. Not everyone is called to be an exegete ( I like that word) but everyone is called to sanctity. It is the life you lead, that you witness to … that will be the greatest converter of all. This is because true conversion is a submission of the will not of the mind.

I read this somewhere but I cannot remember where but that Sacred Tradition is the mortar that holds the Church together. Neither bricks alone, nor mortar alone work to create a structure. It would be silly to say the bricks are most important or the mortar is the most important.

 

[guanophore]

Maybe blindly is a bit stong. I remember my grandmother completed 8th grade and my grandfather completed only up to 4th before having to work to help support their family. The taught me about the Eucharist, prayers, reverence not so much by reading Scripture … they really could not read effectively enough to do this but orally … and by practice. It was not until I was much older that it hit me. What hit me was they lived as they believed … though they probably could not have defended it apologetically. That is how I see Sacred Tradition … the Church teaching the faithful how to be Catholics, to live as Catholics. Catholicism is not so much an exercise of the intelligence but a way of life … a way of seeing the world as Christ sees it … because we have the lens He has.

This is a very good testimony to Sacred Tradition. In the book of acts, it is called The Way - a manner of being in the world that gives testimony to Him. here are some other examples:

“We also constantly give thanks to God for this, that when you received the word of God that you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word but as what it really is, God’s word, which is also at work in you believers. 14 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea…” 1 Thess 2:13-14

Those who imitate the Church embody the Word of God at work in themselves.

" You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all; 3 and you show that you are a letter of Christ, prepared by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts." 2 Cor 3:2-3

It is Paul that puts the living traditions, written in the hearts of the believers, on par with the written letters.

It is ok to follow … even blindly for a time … the trust is that what needs to be revealed will be. All who seek find … it is important to be at minimum a seeker. Not everyone is called to be an exegete ( I like that word) but everyone is called to sanctity. It is the life you lead, that you witness to … that will be the greatest converter of all. This is because true conversion is a submission of the will not of the mind.

This reminds me of the blind man that chased after Christ, going in faith, even when discouraged by those around. Seeking with the eyes of the heart.

I read this somewhere but I cannot remember where but that Sacred Tradition is the mortar that holds the Church together. Neither bricks alone, nor mortar alone work to create a structure. It would be silly to say the bricks are most important or the mortar is the most important.

An excellent point.

" Come to him, a living stone, though rejected by mortals yet chosen and precious in God’s sight, and 5 like living stones, let yourselves be built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 2:4-5

Peter invites us to come to Him in the Church, the spiritual house of God. We are not to build ourselves, but to let ourselves be built into His house.

 

[ncgolf]

This is a very good testimony to Sacred Tradition. In the book of acts, it is called The Way - a manner of being in the world that gives testimony to Him. here are some other examples:

“We also constantly give thanks to God for this, that when you received the word of God that you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word but as what it really is, God’s word, which is also at work in you believers. 14 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea…” 1 Thess 2:13-14

Those who imitate the Church embody the Word of God at work in themselves.

" You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all; 3 and you show that you are a letter of Christ, prepared by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts." 2 Cor 3:2-3

It is Paul that puts the living traditions, written in the hearts of the believers, on par with the written letters.

This reminds me of the blind man that chased after Christ, going in faith, even when discouraged by those around. Seeking with the eyes of the heart.

An excellent point.

" Come to him, a living stone, though rejected by mortals yet chosen and precious in God’s sight, and 5 like living stones, let yourselves be built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 2:4-5

Peter invites us to come to Him in the Church, the spiritual house of God. We are not to build ourselves, but to let ourselves be built into His house.

You are very good at putting scripture verse to writing … it is nice to read what I write is not totally scriptually unsound. I will keep the verses you quoted in text format for future use as they help define my understanding and give it good Biblical support.

Thanks.

 

[JRKH]

A hero … I have no superpowers, although I can leap curbs in a single bound.

Maybe blindly is a bit stong. I remember my grandmother completed 8th grade and my grandfather completed only up to 4th before having to work to help support their family. The taught me about the Eucharist, prayers, reverence not so much by reading Scripture … they really could not read effectively enough to do this but orally … and by practice. It was not until I was much older that it hit me. What hit me was they lived as they believed … though they probably could not have defended it apologetically.

So very true. I too was blessed with parents and grandparents who lived their faith to the best of their ability…in Love and Reverence and Obedience.
Anyone can follow Christ and give the most eloquent testimony without speaking a word. I’m reminded of how Jesus told us to accept faith like little children, trusting in Him.

That is how I see Sacred Tradition … the Church teaching the faithful how to be Catholics, to live as Catholics. Catholicism is not so much an exercise of the intelligence but a way of life … a way of seeing the world as Christ sees it … because we have the lens He has.

St Francis would love this.

It is ok to follow … even blindly for a time … the trust is that what needs to be revealed will be. All who seek find … it is important to be at minimum a seeker. Not everyone is called to be an exegete ( I like that word) but everyone is called to sanctity. It is the life you lead, that you witness to … that will be the greatest converter of all. This is because true conversion is a submission of the will not of the mind.

This reminds me of an oft overlooked scripture passage. When Jesus was teaching in Matthew about the Jewish Law and the interpretations thereof, He sternly reprimanded the Jewish leadership and He did so publicly, but what did He tell the Faithful Jewish “laymen”? He told them:

“all that they tell you, do and observe” because “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat”. (Matthew 23:2-3)

Our Lord is saying that, by our simple obedience to authority, we are following Him. We don’t need to strive for all the answers. Those we need will be revealed and those things we do not understand we should simply accept on faith and in submission to His Love.

I read this somewhere but I cannot remember where but that Sacred Tradition is the mortar that holds the Church together. Neither bricks alone, nor mortar alone work to create a structure. It would be silly to say the bricks are most important or the mortar is the most important.

I love analogies and this is a great one.

Peace
James

 

[justasking4]

Does someone have a specific list of Sacred Oral “traditions” that we can look at?