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brb3
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PSALMS 132:8
Who would of thunk it was scriptural !!!
I’m blown away … :extrahappy:
Who would of thunk it was scriptural !!!
I’m blown away … :extrahappy:
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fred_conty
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Ps 153,7-8
Let us go to his dwelling place; let us worship at his footstool -
arist O Lord and come to your resting place, you and the ark of your might.
This psalm refers to the ark of the covenant in the O.T.
Mary is the ark of the covenant in the N.T., but where does it say this in the bible?
And how is this linked to the assumption of Mary?
It seems the way the psalm stands, it is more than a stretch to her assumption.
Just a thought.
Let us go to his dwelling place; let us worship at his footstool -
arist O Lord and come to your resting place, you and the ark of your might.
This psalm refers to the ark of the covenant in the O.T.
Mary is the ark of the covenant in the N.T., but where does it say this in the bible?
And how is this linked to the assumption of Mary?
It seems the way the psalm stands, it is more than a stretch to her assumption.
Just a thought.
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brb3
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RSV edition says … Arise, O Lord, and go to thy resting place ( Rt. Hand of Father ?), thou and the ARK ( Mary ? ) of thy might.
So Fred C. … what else do u c here ?
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ahs
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If we look at the OT as a foretaste of the NT…the NT being the revealing of what was concealed in the OT, so to speak, then yes, this makes sense.
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fred_conty
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But don’t we only have 150 psalms to begin with?
Just a thought?
Just a thought?
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R_C
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Well, I sort of thought the Assumption (which is not an exclusive Catholic dogma but a Christian teaching also found in the Eastern churches with the name “Dormition”) of Our Lady was not a human idea, but a divinely revealed truth, and as such a fulfillment of the Scriptures
There’s an interesting article here, though it’s just one of many
And ultimately, even if it may be “not explicit in Scripture”, the fundamental point is that it is scripturally sound.
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brb3
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Noteworthy article, especially on support for assumption of Moses…but, regarding Mary only NT quotes there… and Psalms 132:8 was not referenced.Well, I sort of thought the Assumption (which is not an exclusive Catholic dogma but a Christian teaching also found in the Eastern churches with the name “Dormition”) of Our Lady was not a human idea, but a divinely revealed truth, and as such a fulfillment of the Scriptures
There’s an interesting article here, though it’s just one of many And ultimately, even if it may be “not explicit in Scripture”, the fundamental point is that it is scripturally sound
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Now, since Christ is also the NT Equivalent PLUS of Moses ( the Supernatural Moses… so to speak ) … then, by typology… might we not also see need for the assumption of Moses ?
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R_C
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Sorry, I did notice it wasn’t very broad. As for the Psalm, all that matters is that you “saw” it, meaning you didn’t just read it, but some understanding was given to you. I am sure that if we dig deep enough, we’ll find the psalm mentioned somewhere in Church teaching
I love the way you put it. Yes, I vaguely remember that there are teachigns about the possible assumption of some OT prophets (ex. Moses), somehow confirmed by the vision of the Transfiguration, but we must be careful here, for we don’t know for sure. Ex. we know that St. Michael battled Satan over the body of Moses, but we have no assurance that the taking over the body of Moses by the archangel was equivalent to the assumption in the glorified body of Our Lady…just like the just who had died before the Lord were not yet in heaven, but in an in-between state…my point being that we only know for sure about one creature who currently has experienced this glory, namely Our Lady. It is fairly possible that all others will have to wait until the last day to be reunited with their glorified body.
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brb3
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Good links. I favor ascension of Moses in a cloud, rather than death & later assumption. Moses could well of written or dictated his obit to another, before being taken up while yet living.
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PJM
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AWESOME
[8] Arise, O LORD, and go to thy resting place,
thou and the ark of thy might.
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thistle
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Ascension and assumption are completely different.
Only Christ ascended!
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R_C
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Well, it was part of the temporal punishment (as far as I recall) that Moses was to die without entering the promised land, thus one could argue he indeed experienced physical death (indeed in Deuteronomy 34:5 we read: “And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said” and in Jude 1:9 we read that the Archangel Michael was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, which implies he was already dead).
Slightly different was the case of Elias as described in 2 Kings 2:11:
Yet, we don’t really speak of assumption here, because heaven as we know it was, literally speaking, not open to mankind until the coming of Christ, while the Assumption of Our Lady literally refers to the presence before the Beatific Vision with her living and glorified body - something that other souls expect to receive only on the last day.
The significant difference between the Lord’s Ascension and everything else (including Our Lady’s Assumption and however we call what happened to Elias and Moses) is that “the word *ascension *suggests something done under one’s own power”, and this is something that we could say only of Christ.
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brb3
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Not true… Elijah & Enoch were take up while alive w/o seeing death.
Moses possibly too. These qualify as passive ascensions !
Christ ascended up by his own active power.
Mary, was assumed after death, from grave.
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thistle
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No it doesn’t. That is assumption and not ascension.
Christ alone ascended. Those you mention did not ascend. They were assumed.
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brb3
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LOL… define ur terms !!
Everyone knows Christ took them all up !! Perhaps with some angelic help for Mary & Moses…
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thistle
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Assumption is when a person was assumed into Heaven by the power of God and not by their own power.
Ascension was Jesus rising to Heaven by his own power.
They are totally different.
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brb3
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Sorry, but u have used ur word in it’s own definition!! Try again … ha !
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1AugustSon7
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Good observation, but your post seems to be perhaps lacking a little in charity and, consequently, it savours a bit of a semantic argument/debate: I mean, it looks like arguing for the sake or love of arguing.
What word or definition would you prefer, in lieu of ascend?
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brb3
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I don’t need or prefer another word for ascension…as u might wish me to.
On the topic of ascension, Wikipedia says the following:
Belief in some religions that there are rare individuals ( Elijah referenced) , that have ascended into Heaven w/o dying first …
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