Sacred Tradition and Evolution

[Omyo12]

Does anyone have any more information on this? Anything you want to add? this is what I know as of now and I welcome any rebukes or affirmations

I know there are…

• Doctrines of the Catholic Church (The Trinity, Purgatory, Immaculate Conception, etc) that have never changed, never contradict and are forever infallible.
• Church Disciplines (clerical celibacy, etc) that are not infallible and are subject to change
• Customs (purple for Lent, etc) also not infallible

I read an article by Anthony Nevard claiming no true Catholic can believe evolution because it contradicts Catholic Doctrine.

He goes as far as rebuking Pope John Paul II for claiming that evolution was more than a hypothesis…

Even the Pope cannot change the meaning of the essential doctrines of the Faith

…but at the same time praises the writings of the “1909 Biblical Commission Decree” and takes those as somehow being dogma!

so for Mr. Nevard…
Biblical Commission Decree 1909 > the Bishop of Rome called the Pope

He makes his own somewhat erroneous claims about doctrines saying:

The idea that a spiritual soul was created in an animal body is alien to the words of the Scriptures, Christian Tradition, and all the Church Fathers and theologians.

While its true evolution was unknown to the Church Fathers, this is not a doctrine. It has been a Tradition and a Doctrine that God created everything out of nothing, still believed by Catholics to this day, both by Creationists and Evolutionists in the Faith. It is the HOW that is not defined.

-St. Augustine believed in a Six Day Creation
-Pope Benedict XVI believes in Evolution through Intelligent Design

However, both of these men believe that in a sense God created everything by Himself out of nothing and that Adam was the first living soul.

Nevard also seems to have missed what the Catholic Church does teach.

He claims…

We must conclude that the Catholic Church continues to teach officially that the human race is descended from Adam and Eve. Any theory of origins that conflicts with these authoritative teachings must be false and hence opposed to Christianity

while this is true, he also mischievously implies Creationism is the only way to go…

The Church teaches that the human soul was specially created and that Adam and Eve are the first parents of every human today (though no specific date is taught; it could be 6000 years ago, could be 600,000 years ago)

This is according to Catechisms 282 - 301

I love how Mr. Nevard cuts down Catechism 289 and even changes the meaning!!

“Among all the Scriptural texts about creation, the first three chapters of Genesis occupy a unique place… they express the truths of creation its origin and its end in God, its order and goodness, the vocation of man, and finally the drama of sin and the hope of salvation.”

this reading implies the story creation is true

when it really reads

289- Among all the Scriptural texts about creation, the first three chapters of Genesis occupy a unique place. From a literary standpoint these texts may have had diverse sources. The inspired authors have placed them at the beginning of Scripture to express in their solemn language the truths of creation - its origin and its end in God, its order and goodness, the vocation of man, and finally the drama of sin and the hope of salvation. Read in the light of Christ, within the unity of Sacred Scripture and in the living Tradition of the Church, these texts remain the principal source for catechesis on the mysteries of the “beginning”: creation, fall, and promise of salvation.

this complete reading shows more of a spiritual truth found in the creation story and not entirely a literal truth. (though a literal truth is still compatible with this)

any thoughts??

===
hahah also,
Oh noz! inspired authorS with an S!!? DIVERSE sources!? ​

 

[kepha1]

“the mysteries of the “beginning”: creation, fall, and promise of salvation” explains why we are here, evolution explains how we got here. They answer different questions. Evolution is the science of the fossil record, a physical science. Mysteries and promises deal with metaphysics, a different science. One cannot be the rule of the other.

I think God used evolution in his creation of the human race, but God did not evolve the human soul. I think Genesis is true, but taken literally one misses it.

 

[Eucharisted]

Does anyone have any more information on this? Anything you want to add? this is what I know as of now and I welcome any rebukes or affirmations

I know there are…

• Doctrines of the Catholic Church (The Trinity, Purgatory, Immaculate Conception, etc) that have never changed, never contradict and are forever infallible.
• Church Disciplines (clerical celibacy, etc) that are not infallible and are subject to change
• Customs (purple for Lent, etc) also not infallible

Apostolic Tradition: cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/pius/pvirtue.htm#tradition

I read an article by Anthony Nevard claiming no true Catholic can believe evolution because it contradicts Catholic Doctrine.

Right there you know he’s lying. The Catholic Church allows Catholics to believe in evolution because it is a scientific theory that dose not contradict the Faith. There is a difference between a theory that states man biologically evolved from animals and a theory that states man as body and soul evolved from animals. The former dose not contradict Church teaching, because there’s nothing in the Faith that says God created man one way or another, but the latter dose contradict Church teaching, because in the Faith we know that the human soul is not a product of biology.

He goes as far as rebuking Pope John Paul II for claiming that evolution was more than a hypothesis…

…but at the same time praises the writings of the “1909 Biblical Commission Decree” and takes those as somehow being dogma!

so for Mr. Nevard…
Biblical Commission Decree 1909 > the Bishop of Rome called the Pope

He makes his own somewhat erroneous claims about doctrines saying:

While its true evolution was unknown to the Church Fathers, this is not a doctrine. It has been a Tradition and a Doctrine that God created everything out of nothing, still believed by Catholics to this day, both by Creationists and Evolutionists in the Faith. It is the HOW that is not defined.

It is actually dogma that God created everything out of nothing.

-St. Augustine believed in a Six Day Creation
-Pope Benedict XVI believes in Evolution through Intelligent Design

Saint Augutine notes in “Confession” that the six days are symbolic.

Pope Benedict XVI has never said he believes in Intelligent Design. He has, however, said he believes the world could only be created by something with intelligence. That’s a big difference from saying he believes in ID.

However, both of these men believe that in a sense God created everything by Himself out of nothing and that Adam was the first living soul.

Adam was the first living man. Man is body and soul. He is a matter-spirit creature. He is not a body with a soul, nor a soul with a body, but is a body and a soul.

Nevard also seems to have missed what the Catholic Church does teach.

He claims…

while this is true, he also mischievously implies Creationism is the only way to go…

The Church teaches that the human soul was specially created and that Adam and Eve are the first parents of every human today (though no specific date is taught; it could be 6000 years ago, could be 600,000 years ago)

This is according to Catechisms 282 - 301

I love how Mr. Nevard cuts down Catechism 289 and even changes the meaning!!

this reading implies the story creation is true

when it really reads

this complete reading shows more of a spiritual truth found in the creation story and not entirely a literal truth. (though a literal truth is still compatible with this)

any thoughts??

===
hahah also,
Oh noz! inspired authorS with an S!!? DIVERSE sources!? ​

Faith and Science: catholic.com/library/faith_science.asp

 

[shenzhen]

“the mysteries of the “beginning”: creation, fall, and promise of salvation” explains why we are here, evolution explains how we got here. They answer different questions. Evolution is the science of the fossil record, a physical science. Mysteries and promises deal with metaphysics, a different science. One cannot be the rule of the other.

I think God used evolution in his creation of the human race, but God did not evolve the human soul. I think Genesis is true, but taken literally one misses it.

 

[shenzhen]

“the mysteries of the “beginning”: Creation, fall, and promise of salvation” explains why we are here, evolution explains how we got here. They answer different questions. Evolution is the science of the fossil record, a physical science. Mysteries and promises deal with metaphysics, a different science. One cannot be the rule of the other.

i think god used evolution in his creation of the human race, but god did not evolve the human soul. I think genesis is true, but taken literally one misses it.

regarding the above post i respect their conclusions but i believe it is very important to acknowledge god our creator as the ultimate author of creation whether it was instant or in 7 days or long periods of time. It is impossible by any realistic studies of science to conclude that all creation just came from nothing it had to have a start the one who started it is our beloved creator

 

[Omyo12]

Saint Augutine notes in “Confession” that the six days are symbolic.

Hmm… interesting. I haven’t read Confession but in City of God he rebukes the pagan Greek philosophers and scientists for claiming an older earth.

Let us, then, omit the conjectures of men who know not what they say, when they speak of the nature and origin of the human race. For some hold the same opinion regarding men that they hold regarding the world itself, that they have always been… They are deceived, too, by those highly mendacious documents which profess to give the history of many thousand years, though, reckoning by the sacred writings, we find that not 6000 years have yet passed.
– Augustine, Of the Falseness of the History Which Allots Many Thousand Years to the World’s Past, The City of God, Book 12: Chapt. 10 (AD 419)

 

[garysibio]

Does anyone have any more information on this? Anything you want to add? this is what I know as of now and I welcome any rebukes or affirmations

This site has some info: kolbecenter.org/

Gary