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abcdefg:
I don’t want to see you suspended, as your involvement in the news forum is appreciated. But calling me Protestant is simply no joke.
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After the nasty things you’ve said to people in this and other threads, you have no call to complain.

But I’ll give you another chance. Do you accept the Magisterium, even if it goes against your personal belief?
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abcdefg:
About evolution debate, whoever leaves the battlefield is the loser, and it’s not me.
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And that’s why you lost the debate – you don’t even understand the basic rules of debate.
 
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itsjustdave1988:
Catholic Dude,

abcdefg’s claims about Honorius are flawed. He wasn’t
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Fail to act doesn’t result in anathema, reasons for excommunication/anathema doesn’t include fail to act. if you like show me the law regarding this.
heretics using Honorius I’s writing incorrectly doesn’t fault Honorius I. for example some one says your post imply Stalin is a good Catholic which is obviously wrong. it doesn’t mean you have any fault regarding Stalin. it’s his fault to come to such a conclusion.
 
vern humphrey:
After the nasty things you’ve said to people in this and other threads, you have no call to complain.

But I’ll give you another chance. Do you accept the Magisterium, even if it goes against your personal belief?
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I’m writing to mods on this. it’s simply unacceptable for anyone to speak like that.
I accept Magisterium as it hasn’t taught anything I don’t agree. in other words I agree with Magisterium whatever it teaches.
 
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abcdefg:
I’m writing to mods on this. it’s simply unacceptable for anyone to speak like that.
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Be sure, when you write them to include all the offensive things you said to other people.
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abcdefg:
I accept Magisterium as it hasn’t taught anything I don’t agree. in other words I agree with Magisterium whatever it teaches.
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You can’t say it, can you? You can’t say, “I accept the Magisterium, even if it should teach something that I personally obejct to.”
 
vern humphrey:
You can’t say it, can you? You can’t say, “I accept the Magisterium, even if it should teach something that I personally obejct to.”
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I can say it. “I accept the Magisterium, even if it should teach something that I personally obejct to.”

But this isn’t my problem.
 
vern humphrey:
Be sure, when you write them to include all the offensive things you said to other people.
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If mods discovered this thread himself/herself, you might as well get suspended. I wrote to avoid it as you’re still my friend in the news forum. you can ask mods what I wrote in the report.
 
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abcdefg:
I can say it. “I accept the Magisterium, even if it should teach something that I personally obejct to.”
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And given that the Pope himself said that evolution is more than a mere speculation, let us not see you attacking people who accept evolution.
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abcdefg:
But this isn’t my problem.
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No, but I am not licensed to practice psychotherapy.
 
vern humphrey:
And given that the Pope himself said that evolution is more than a mere speculation, let us not see you attacking people who accept evolution.
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Pope never says one can accept evolution without damaging faith as far as I know. I asked any of you to show me the document and it’s not yet shown.
vern humphrey:
No, but I am not licensed to practice psychotherapy.
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😃
 
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abcdefg:
Pope never says one can accept evolution without damaging faith as far as I know. I asked any of you to show me the document and it’s not yet shown.
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Try this newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm

John Paul the Great said:
Taking into account the state of scientific research at the time as well as of the requirements of theology, the encyclical Humani Generis considered the doctrine of “evolutionism” a serious hypothesis, worthy of investigation and in-depth study equal to that of the opposing hypothesis.
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Right there in one paragraph we have two Popes speaking, John Paul the Great quoting Pius XII.

Note the last clause, "worthy of investigation and in-depth study equal to that of the opposing hypothesis."
 
vern humphrey:
Try this newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm

John Paul the Great said:

Right there in one paragraph we have two Popes speaking, John Paul the Great quoting Pius XII.

Note the last clause, "worthy of investigation and in-depth study equal to that of the opposing hypothesis."
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you gonna need a symbolic interpretation to suit that claim.
 
We’re studying if unborn can feel pain, and when life begins, aren’t we?
 
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abcdefg:
you gonna need a symbolic interpretation to suit that claim.
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Not at all – it’s perfectly obvious that he meant it to be taken literally – but if you don’t like what the Pope said, please, by all means explain his error.

Here’s more:
In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII had already stated that there was no opposition between evolution and the doctrine of the faith about man and his vocation, on condition that one did not lose sight of several indisputable points.
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Got that, “no opposition between evolution and the doctrine of the faith about man and his vocation?”
 
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abcdefg:
We’re studying if unborn can feel pain, and when life begins, aren’t we?
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You may be, but I’m not.

Now does that somehow mean Pius XII was wrong to say there was no opposition between evolution and the doctrine of the faith about man and his vocation? And that John Paul the Great was wrong to uphold and quote him?
 
vern humphrey:
You may be, but I’m not.

Now does that somehow mean Pius XII was wrong to say there was no opposition between evolution and the doctrine of the faith about man and his vocation? And that John Paul the Great was wrong to uphold and quote him?
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Pius XII never said no opposition between evolution and Catholicism. he said Catholics can discuss about it.

Can I murder? Of course I can. Should I murder? Definitely not.
 
vern humphrey:
Now does that somehow mean Pius XII was wrong to say there was no opposition between evolution and the doctrine of the faith about man and his vocation? And that John Paul the Great was wrong to uphold and quote him?
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Protected by Holy Ghost, they simply can’t teach that. if this happens you have to call all past popes wrong. it’s better to call one or two popes heretical than 200+ popes heretical.
I’m sure you want to say something about this. but remember I always insist current popes doesn’t teach one can freely accept evolution without damaging faith.
 
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abcdefg:
Pius XII never said no opposition between evolution and Catholicism. he said Catholics can discuss about it.

Can I murder? Of course I can. Should I murder? Definitely not.
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Oh, pull the other one – it’s got bells on it.
In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII had already stated that there was no opposition between evolution and the doctrine of the faith about man and his vocation, on condition that one did not lose sight of several indisputable points.
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abcdefg:
you’re familiar with refutations to those pro-aborts claims at lifesite.net? Where do those refutations come? through research of course
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A few posts ago, you were all hot because I suggested your position was a Protestant one.

And now you accuse me of being a pro-abortionist?
 
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abcdefg:
Protected by Holy Ghost, they simply can’t teach that.
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In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII had already stated that there was no opposition between evolution and the doctrine of the faith about man and his vocation, on condition that one did not lose sight of several indisputable points.
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Do you accept that or reject it?
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abcdefg:
if this happens you have to call all past popes wrong. it’s better to call one or two popes heretical than 200+ popes heretical.
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No. That’s only your interpretation.

But I can show you a Protestant website that says the Popes are wrong to say evolution is not incompatible with Catholic doctrtine.
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abcdefg:
I’m sure you want to say something about this. but remember I always insist current popes doesn’t teach one can freely accept evolution without damaging faith.
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So Pius XII and John Paul the Great were heretics?
 
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