Sacred Traditions of the Catholic Church

[schaick]

Can someone tell we **what **the Traditions are?

I have read many different ideas of how important they are, that some say they are Scripture based-[seemed like a very odd statement for a Catholic], most say have been handed down through the Church from the Apostles.

It has been pointed out through Scripture that Jesus did many other things that are not in Scripture- When I ask what were these things- no one can answer. Is this not a part of Catholic Sacred Tradtion?

Someone mentioned that the Trinity is Sacred Tradition - well the concept of Trintiy is Scripture based. Nicene Creed was mentioned- that is also Scripture based.

My Church holds to both those, real presence- that is Scripture based- my Church holds to that. Yet I have been told that my faith, or worship service is incomplete because I do not have the Sacred Traditions of the Catholic Church.

We have Pastors that are Christians first by hearing the Word, have been called to office by the Holy Spirit, study many years, learn Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, translated the Holy Bible from these languages, are ordained and have the authority of their office of minister passed on to them.

What Sacred traditions have been handed down through the Catholic Church that are not based on Scripture-only something an Apostle said or did?

Are these Sacred Traditions needed for our salvation?

Thanks.

 

[JeanneH]

Can someone tell we **what **the Traditions are?

I have read many different ideas of how important they are, that some say they are Scripture based-[seemed like a very odd statement for a Catholic], most say have been handed down through the Church from the Apostles.

It has been pointed out through Scripture that Jesus did many other things that are not in Scripture- When I ask what were these things- no one can answer. Is this not a part of Catholic Sacred Tradition?

Someone mentioned that the Trinity is Sacred Tradition - well the concept of Trintiy is Scripture based. Nicene Creed was mentioned- that is also Scripture based.

My Church holds to both those, real presence- that is Scripture based- my Church holds to that. Yet I have been told that my faith, or worship service is incomplete because I do not have the Sacred Traditions of the Catholic Church.

We have Pastors that are Christians first by hearing the Word, have been called to office by the Holy Spirit, study many years, learn Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, translated the Holy Bible from these languages, are ordained and have the authority of their office of minister passed on to them.

What Sacred traditions have been handed down through the Catholic Church that are not based on Scripture-only something an Apostle said or did?

Are these Sacred Traditions needed for our salvation?

Thanks.

This is a definition of the word Tradition from the Glossary for the CCC:
The living transmission of the message of the Gospel in the church. The oral preaching of the Apostles, and the written message of salvation under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (Bible), and are conserved and handed on as the deposit of faith through the apostolic succession in the Church. Both the living Tradition and the written Scriptures have their common source in the revelation of God in Jesus Christ. The theological, liturgical, disciplinary, and devotional traditions of the local churches both contain and can be distinguished from this apostolic tradition.

I don’t know if this will help you or not.

 

[wmscott]

This is a definition of the word Tradition from the Glossary for the CCC:
The living transmission of the message of the Gospel in the church. The oral preaching of the Apostles, and the written message of salvation under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (Bible), and are conserved and handed on as the deposit of faith through the apostolic succession in the Church. Both the living Tradition and the written Scriptures have their common source in the revelation of God in Jesus Christ. The theological, liturgical, disciplinary, and devotional traditions of the local churches both contain and can be distinguished from this apostolic tradition.

I don’t know if this will help you or not.

Very good explination, just to expand a little, as you stated, through the living transmission of the message of the Gospel in the church. The oral preaching of the Apostles, and the written message of salvation under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (Bible), handed on as the deposit of faith through the apostolic succession in the Church. The living Tradition and the written Scriptures, which are the common source in the revelation of God in Jesus Christ, all of this “authority” has determined that human cloning and embryonic stem cell research are an offence to God and to Life.

 

[Scoobyshme]

Can someone tell we **what **the Traditions are?

I have read many different ideas of how important they are, that some say they are Scripture based-[seemed like a very odd statement for a Catholic], most say have been handed down through the Church from the Apostles.

It has been pointed out through Scripture that Jesus did many other things that are not in Scripture- When I ask what were these things- no one can answer. Is this not a part of Catholic Sacred Tradtion?

Someone mentioned that the Trinity is Sacred Tradition - well the concept of Trintiy is Scripture based. Nicene Creed was mentioned- that is also Scripture based.

My Church holds to both those, real presence- that is Scripture based- my Church holds to that. Yet I have been told that my faith, or worship service is incomplete because I do not have the Sacred Traditions of the Catholic Church.

We have Pastors that are Christians first by hearing the Word, have been called to office by the Holy Spirit, study many years, learn Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, translated the Holy Bible from these languages, are ordained and have the authority of their office of minister passed on to them.

What Sacred traditions have been handed down through the Catholic Church that are not based on Scripture-only something an Apostle said or did?

Are these Sacred Traditions needed for our salvation?

Thanks.

Here’s three that come right to mind:

1. Worship on Sunday. Nowhere in Scripture does it say we are to worship on Sunday vs. Saturday (Jewish sabbath). Yet, this is the day Christians traditionally worship.
2. Nowhere in Scripture does it give a list of the books that belong in Scripture (i.e., the canon of the Bible).
3. No book, including the Bible, is self-explanatory to the point to where we can be absolutely assured we get the right interpretation. The Church’s Tradition, carried for almost 2000 years now, assures us of the Apostles’ interpretation of what’s written there. Just look at Protestantism, which has splintered in the last 500 years, into literally thousands of man-made, doctrinally disunified, disagreeing, arguing denominations. Such disunity cannot be the work of Jesus or the Holy Spirit. It is the work of Satan. Christ is a unifier.

The Catholic Church preceeded the New Testament books, not vice versa.

You may be interested in seeing a neat 3-part video on the “Origin of the Bible” at the following link:

alabamacatholicresources.com/Bible.html

It’s free, no signup or anything.

 

[Mark77]

****From the CA Faith Tract entitled "Scripture & Tradition.

"What is Tradition?**

In this discussion it is important to keep in mind what the Catholic Church means by tradition. The term does not refer to legends or mythological accounts, nor does it encompass transitory customs or practices which may change, as circumstances warrant, such as styles of priestly dress, particular forms of devotion to saints, or even liturgical rubrics. Sacred or apostolic tradition consists of the teachings that the apostles passed on orally through their preaching. These teachings largely (perhaps entirely) overlap with those contained in Scripture, but the mode of their transmission is different.**

They have been handed down and entrusted to the Churchs. It is necessary that Christians believe in and follow this tradition as well as the Bible (Luke 10:16). The truth of the faith has been given primarily to the leaders of the Church (Eph. 3:5), who, with Christ, form the foundation of the Church (Eph. 2:20). The Church has been guided by the Holy Spirit, who protects this teaching from corruption (John 14:25-26, 16:13). "

it can be found here; catholic.com/library/Scripture_and_Tradition.asp

Go to “Library-Faith Tracts- Scripture & Tradition” on the main CA website for more info!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark

 

[wmscott]

In addition, let’s look at “The Deposit of Faith” (LINK)

The Deposit of Faith is the body of saving truth entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and handed on by them to be preserved and proclaimed. Jesus ordered them to teach the nations “everything I have commanded you” and assured them “know that I am with you always, until the end of the world.” (Mt 28:18-20). The metaphor of a “deposit” suggests that this teaching is an inexhaustible treasure, that rewards reflection and study with new insights and deeper penetration into the mystery of the divine economy of salvation [God’s plan for saving mankind]. Although the Church’s understanding of this teaching can and does develop, it can never be augmented in substance. The Catechism of the Catholic Church notes: “The apostles entrusted the sacred deposit of the faith [the depositum fidei; see 1 Tim 6:20; 2 Tim 1:12-14] contained in Sacred Scripture and Tradition, to the whole of the Church. ‘By adhering to (this heritage) the entire holy people, united to its pastors, remains always faithful to the teaching of the apostles, to the brotherhood, to the breaking of bread [the Eucharist] and the prayers. So, in maintaining, practicing and professing the faith that has been handed on, there should be a remarkable harmony between the bishops and the faithful.’”

One of the key expressions here is “The metaphor of a “deposit” suggests that this teaching is an inexhaustible treasure, that rewards reflection and study with new insights and deeper penetration into the mystery of the divine economy of salvation [God’s plan for saving mankind]. Although the Church’s understanding of this teaching can and does develop, it can never be augmented in substance”. Some do not like the human cloning or embryonic stem cell example, however when looking at “teaching can and does develop”, this certainly is a valid example of Sacred Tradition. Also lets look at the most Holy Eucharist, how much more does Sacred tradition play into Jesus ordered them to teach the nations “everything I have commanded you” and assured them “know that I am with you always, until the end of the world.”

Let’s also look at the Liturgy of the Hours, the Rosary, the rest of the sacraments: Holy Orders, Confirmation, Anointing of the Sick, and Reconciliation, The Mass, Holy Days, Feast Days, and so on. this is reflected in the statement “an inexhaustible treasure, that rewards reflection and study with new insights and deeper penetration into the mystery of the divine economy of salvation [God’s plan for saving mankind].

Bottom line is that you are not going to find it all in the Bible, as you want to do. It is just not all there. A person in your position and frame of reference cannot and will not “get it” because you have limited yourself to a book. You have forgotten that the Bible is a product of the Church, not the other way around. So obviously, everything that is in the Bible is in the Church, but also there is much, much, more which is supported by the Bible.

So in the end it comes down to this; if you believe that “the Deposit of Faith is the body of saving truth entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and handed on by them to be preserved and proclaimed. Jesus ordered them to teach the nations “everything I have commanded you” and assured them “know that I am with you always, until the end of the world.” (Mt 28:18-20). Then the only thing left is to surrender to Christ and let the rest flow from that surrender.

 

[JRKH]

Other parts of Sacred Tradtion can also be seen in the Marion devotions which were present from early on.
Also to an extent some “pious beliefs” are mentioned in some of the “extrabiblical books”.

In both of these cases, the church accepts, not the “divine origin” of the books or beliefs, but certainly recognizes that such things may still contain truths and insights. It is up to magisterium to discern what is what.

Peace
James

 

[JRKH]

Someone mentioned that the Trinity is Sacred Tradition - well the concept of Trintiy is Scripture based. Nicene Creed was mentioned- that is also Scripture based.

My Church holds to both those, real presence- that is Scripture based- my Church holds to that. Yet I have been told that my faith, or worship service is incomplete because I do not have the Sacred Traditions of the Catholic Church.

We have Pastors that are Christians first by hearing the Word, have been called to office by the Holy Spirit, study many years, learn Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, translated the Holy Bible from these languages, are ordained and have the authority of their office of minister passed on to them.

What Sacred traditions have been handed down through the Catholic Church that are not based on Scripture-only something an Apostle said or did?

Are these Sacred Traditions needed for our salvation?

Thanks.

I think that you have a very good example of Sacred Tradition right here in your post. In the bolded section you say that your church believes in the “real presence”. yet without a valid priesthood your ministers cannot confect the eucharist. So if you believe in the real presence you need to be in a church where it can be confected.

Christ started the Priesthood by Breathing and laying hands upon the apostles. The Apostles did the same with their successors. No others than these, in direct and unbroken line to Christ, could confect the Eucharist.
You believe that your pastors have been called by the Spirit, and I do not doubt that. From the earliest days the Spirit called to men to become priests. Those men studied and when they were prepared, they went to the Bishop (and no one else) who then laid hands upon them, breathed upon them and pronounced them to be “Priests forever”.

I do not say the above as a slap at your church or your pastors who I am sure are wonderful men and do a wonderful job of spreading the Gospel of God’s Love.
But pehaps you will be able to discern from the above, a “tradition”, and a very “Sacred Tradition”, that was held from the beignning through 1500 years of Church history and only discarded in the last 500 or so years.
And because of this being discarded, your church may think it has the reasl presence in the eucharist, but in fact it does not.

Peace
James

 

[wmscott]

I think that you have a very good example of Sacred Tradition right here in your post. In the bolded section you say that your church believes in the “real presence”. yet without a valid priesthood your ministers cannot confect the eucharist. So if you believe in the real presence you need to be in a church where it can be confected.

Christ started the Priesthood by Breathing and laying hands upon the apostles. The Apostles did the same with their successors. No others than these, in direct and unbroken line to Christ, could confect the Eucharist.
You believe that your pastors have been called by the Spirit, and I do not doubt that. From the earliest days the Spirit called to men to become priests. Those men studied and when they were prepared, they went to the Bishop (and no one else) who then laid hands upon them, breathed upon them and pronounced them to be “Priests forever”.

I do not say the above as a slap at your church or your pastors who I am sure are wonderful men and do a wonderful job of spreading the Gospel of God’s Love.
But pehaps you will be able to discern from the above, a “tradition”, and a very “Sacred Tradition”, that was held from the beignning through 1500 years of Church history and only discarded in the last 500 or so years.
And because of this being discarded, your church may think it has the reasl presence in the eucharist, but in fact it does not.

Peace
James

Absolutely, Amen to that – but how many non-Catholic religions is out there that try to discredit or deny the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ in the most Holy Eucharist. This is usually number one on their hit list.

 

[schaick]

This is a definition of the word Tradition from the Glossary for the CCC:
The living transmission of the message of the Gospel in the church. The oral preaching of the Apostles, and the written message of salvation under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (Bible), and are conserved and handed on as the deposit of faith through the apostolic succession in the Church. Both the living Tradition and the written Scriptures have their common source in the revelation of God in Jesus Christ. The theological, liturgical, disciplinary, and devotional traditions of the local churches both contain and can be distinguished from this apostolic tradition.

I don’t know if this will help you or not.

No I am very confused!

I found this:

stjameshopewell.org/quest…raditions.html
*Most of the beliefs and practices found in sacred tradition have their basis in Scripture, but some do not. Catholics’ belief that Mary was assumed into heaven is an example of a sacred tradition that has no reference in Scripture. The Assumption of Mary was nonetheless an important belief in the early Church, and that is why it has been passed on through the generations as part of sacred tradition. *

Then I was told:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6456101&postcount=483*
Sorry that you are the victim of so much misinformation, schaick. The truth is that none of the Catholic doctrines “have their basis in Scripture”.

I thought Doctrine and Sacred Traditions seperate

I understand this definition. What are the Traditiions?*

 

[ccolley]

Can someone tell we **what **the Traditions are?

I have read many different ideas of how important they are, that some say they are Scripture based-[seemed like a very odd statement for a Catholic], most say have been handed down through the Church from the Apostles.

It has been pointed out through Scripture that Jesus did many other things that are not in Scripture- When I ask what were these things- no one can answer. Is this not a part of Catholic Sacred Tradtion?

Someone mentioned that the Trinity is Sacred Tradition - well the concept of Trintiy is Scripture based. Nicene Creed was mentioned- that is also Scripture based.

My Church holds to both those, real presence- that is Scripture based- my Church holds to that. Yet I have been told that my faith, or worship service is incomplete because I do not have the Sacred Traditions of the Catholic Church.

We have Pastors that are Christians first by hearing the Word, have been called to office by the Holy Spirit, study many years, learn Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, translated the Holy Bible from these languages, are ordained and have the authority of their office of minister passed on to them.

What Sacred traditions have been handed down through the Catholic Church that are not based on Scripture-only something an Apostle said or did?

Are these Sacred Traditions needed for our salvation?

Thanks.

This is an over simplification…but Sacred Scripture is based on Sacred TRADITION!

St. Paul says:
“So brethren, stand firm and hold fast to the **traditions **that were taught by us either by word of mouth or by letter…” 2Thess2:15(emphasis mine)
See also:

2Thess3:6 “Now we command you brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the traditions that you received from us.” (emphasis mine)

1Cor11:2 “I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the **traditions **even as I have delivered them to you.”(emphasis mine)

I implore you to prayerfully consider these Scripture passages NOT because I have said them to “defend” the Catholic position, rather because they COME from Sacred Scripture and are truth.

CC
[SIGN]I love my Papal Papa! [/SIGN]

 

[schaick]

Very good explination, just to expand a little, as you stated, through the living transmission of the message of the Gospel in the church. The oral preaching of the Apostles, and the written message of salvation under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (Bible), handed on as the deposit of faith through the apostolic succession in the Church. The living Tradition and the written Scriptures, which are the common source in the revelation of God in Jesus Christ, all of this “authority” has determined that human cloning and embryonic stem cell research are an offence to God and to Life.

This is in Scripture- disposing of the fetilized eggs is murder-the killing of human life.

I agree some don’t want to see that it is.
My daughter at age 11 and a mere Christian saw that it was against GOD’s Law, murder- she is diabetic and had learned about stem cell research and the disposal of fertilizd eggs.

Individuality is mentioned in Scripture by Paul 1 Corinthians 12.

 

[wmscott]

This is in Scripture- disposing of the fetilized eggs is murder-the killing of human life.

I agree some don’t want to see that it is.
My daughter at age 11 and a mere Christian saw that it was against GOD’s Law, murder- she is diabetic and had learned about stem cell research and the disposal of fertilizd eggs.

Individuality is mentioned in Scripture by Paul 1 Corinthians 12.

I went to 1 Corinthians 12, I do not see where it says “disposing of the fetilized eggs is murder-the killing of human life”. can you help me out on this?

 

[wmscott]

This is in Scripture- disposing of the fetilized eggs is murder-the killing of human life.

I agree some don’t want to see that it is.
My daughter at age 11 and a mere Christian saw that it was against GOD’s Law, murder- she is diabetic and had learned about stem cell research and the disposal of fertilizd eggs.

Individuality is mentioned in Scripture by Paul 1 Corinthians 12.

What about human cloning?

 

[schaick]

Here’s three that come right to mind:

1. Worship on Sunday. Nowhere in Scripture does it say we are to worship on Sunday vs. Saturday (Jewish sabbath). Yet, this is the day Christians traditionally worship.

Is that man-made tradition? Does our salvation depnd on what day we worship?

Does our salvation depend on following Sacred Tradition?

1. Nowhere in Scripture does it give a list of the books that belong in Scripture (i.e., the canon of the Bible).

Agreed. We see Paul referencing Gospel and Luke and the early Church Fathers referencing the New Testament
.
We all have these today this is not a sacred Trdition that just the Catholic church has.

1. No book, including the Bible, is self-explanatory to the point to where we can be absolutely assured we get the right interpretation. The Church’s Tradition, carried for almost 2000 years now, assures us of the Apostles’ interpretation of what’s written there. Just look at Protestantism, which has splintered in the last 500 years, into literally thousands of man-made, doctrinally disunified, disagreeing, arguing denominations. Such disunity cannot be the work of Jesus or the Holy Spirit. It is the work of Satan. Christ is a unifier.

The Catholic Church preceeded the New Testament books, not vice versa.

You may be interested in seeing a neat 3-part video on the “Origin of the Bible” at the following link:

alabamacatholicresources.com/Bible.html

It’s free, no signup or anything.

If GOD is a unifier why would HE have mulitple interpretations in HIS Word? There is only one.

I have been to many Bible studies with many different Trinitarian Christians of different denominations, even Catholics and we all have the same basic interpretations, bbut it is true we might apply them differently.

My Sacred Tradition is that the Bible is GOD’s Word and infallible. In it is information that we need to know for our ssalvation.

Is that a Catholics Sacred Tradition?

 

[schaick]

What about human cloning?

That is the individuality part read 1 Corinthians 12.

It is talking about the different Spiritual gifts, the different parts of the body how each one is valued.

One application of the interpretation could be: Human cloning takes away a persons individuality.

Individuality of a person is used in different ways in the Bible- we will be judged as individuals. Cloning would really gum up the works!!

 

[schaick]

****From the CA Faith Tract entitled "Scripture & Tradition.

"What is Tradition?****

In this discussion it is important to keep in mind what the Catholic Church means by tradition. The term does not refer to legends or mythological accounts, nor does it encompass transitory customs or practices which may change, as circumstances warrant, such as styles of priestly dress, particular forms of devotion to saints, or even liturgical rubrics. Sacred or apostolic tradition consists of the teachings that the apostles passed on orally through their preaching. These teachings largely (perhaps entirely) overlap with those contained in Scripture, but the mode of their transmission is different.

They have been handed down and entrusted to the Churchs. It is necessary that Christians believe in and follow this tradition as well as the Bible (Luke 10:16). The truth of the faith has been given primarily to the leaders of the Church (Eph. 3:5), who, with Christ, form the foundation of the Church (Eph. 2:20). The Church has been guided by the Holy Spirit, who protects this teaching from corruption (John 14:25-26, 16:13). "

it can be found here; catholic.com/library/Scripture_and_Tradition.asp

Go to “Library-Faith Tracts- Scripture & Tradition” on the main CA website for more info!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark

So maybe the question isn’t what are the Sacred Traditions?- there is only one Sacred Tradition and it is that** the Apostles passed "teachings "down.**

catholic.com/library/Scripture_and_Tradition.asp
*To the successors of the apostles, sacred Tradition hands on in its full purity God’s word, which was entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit. *

The question becomes what are the Apostolic teachings that I don’t have?

Supposedly though this Sacred Tradition is only available to Catholics. We have all the Early Church Fathers’ writings on-line, in libraries, etc.

Every Christian has access to this through the Early Church Fathers, unless there is something that to this day is still transmitted only orally.

 

[JRKH]

1. Nowhere in Scripture does it give a list of the books that belong in Scripture (i.e., the canon of the Bible).

I’m sorry to have to correct you here, but I’m afraid that I need to address two points.

1. Saying “we all have these” and thinking that this somehow nullifes them (and you acceptance of them) as beng Sacred Tradition is simply wrong. The development of the canon of Scripture was never to replace “Sacred Tradition” and the teaching authority of The church. It was developed to provide a consistant set of Liturgical scriptures for use throughout the universal (that is catholic) Church. The Canon of Scripture is part of Sacred Tradition - not apart from it.
2. Saying, “*this is not a sacred Trdition that just the Catholic church has” * is frankly also wrong. The Catholic Church retains the bible canon as it was first approved ca 400 AD, and was copied, taught from, defended and disseminated four the next 1000 years in the west. Those who left the Church in the 1500’s declared teh Bibel supreme and promplty changed the canon - not jus the translaton mind you, but removed entire books.
   Now we may argue the significance ot the books all day, but two fact remain.
3. The Bible canon was developed from the “Sacred Tradition” of the Early Church. It conained 73 books and remains unchanged today.
4. The Bible used in most non-catholic Churches today are not the same canon that came from that “Sacred Tradition”.

If GOD is a unifier why would HE have mulitple interpretations in HIS Word? There is only one.

I have been to many Bible studies with many different Trinitarian Christians of different denominations, even Catholics and we all have the same basic interpretations, bbut it is true we might apply them differently.

My Sacred Tradition is that the Bible is GOD’s Word and infallible. In it is information that we need to know for our ssalvation.

Is that a Catholics Sacred Tradition?

It is the Sacred Tradition of the Catholic Church that the Holy Scriptures - ALL 73 books - are inspired of God and are part of a three legged stool, the legs of which Sacred Tradition, Scriptures and the Teaching authority of the Church.

I’m sure that many similar interpretations can be found. No doubt about it. But if everyone has the same basin interpretation why different Churches?
Why one group that teaches OSAS and another says no?
Why one that says"real presence" and another says no - it’s symbolic?
Why one that uses infant baptism and another that does not?

Does this sound like the “Being of One Mind” that Paul spoke of, or being “One as Jesus and the After are One”?

The Sacred Traditions and teaching authortity of the Church has allowed these many questions to have been answered long ago and by so doing the unity of Christ’s Church has been maintained. Maybe that is the biggest “Sacred Tradition” of all.

Peace
James

 

[schaick]

I think that you have a very good example of Sacred Tradition right here in your post. In the bolded section you say that your church believes in the “real presence”. yet without a valid priesthood your ministers cannot confect the eucharist. So if you believe in the real presence you need to be in a church where it can be confected.

Christ started the Priesthood by Breathing and laying hands upon the apostles. The Apostles did the same with their successors. No others than these, in direct and unbroken line to Christ, could confect the Eucharist.
You believe that your pastors have been called by the Spirit, and I do not doubt that. From the earliest days the Spirit called to men to become priests. Those men studied and when they were prepared, they went to the Bishop (and no one else) who then laid hands upon them, breathed upon them and pronounced them to be “Priests forever”.

I do not say the above as a slap at your church or your pastors who I am sure are wonderful men and do a wonderful job of spreading the Gospel of God’s Love.
But pehaps you will be able to discern from the above, a “tradition”, and a very “Sacred Tradition”, that was held from the beignning through 1500 years of Church history and only discarded in the last 500 or so years.
And because of this being discarded, your church may think it has the reasl presence in the eucharist, but in fact it does not.

Peace
James

So are you saying that the Holy Spirit comes only to the Catholic Church and that the power is through the priest?.

Yes just like our Church our Pastors do through Luther.

Do you have proof that none other can confect the Eucharist?

Mark 9
38"Teacher," said John, “we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”
39"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40for whoever is not against us is for us. 41I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward.

 

[Scoobyshme]

Is that man-made tradition? Does our salvation depnd on what day we worship?

Does our salvation depend on following Sacred Tradition?

Agreed. We see Paul referencing Gospel and Luke and the early Church Fathers referencing the New Testament
.
We all have these today this is not a sacred Trdition that just the Catholic church has.

If GOD is a unifier why would HE have mulitple interpretations in HIS Word? There is only one.

I have been to many Bible studies with many different Trinitarian Christians of different denominations, even Catholics and we all have the same basic interpretations, bbut it is true we might apply them differently.

My Sacred Tradition is that the Bible is GOD’s Word and infallible. In it is information that we need to know for our ssalvation.

Is that a Catholics Sacred Tradition?

IF the Bible were a COMPLETE catalog of God’s Word, and IF personal interpretation was the way God intended us to learn His Truths, then there would be, at most, ONE Protestant denomination, since that is the approach they have to Christ’s truths. The Bible, and the Bible alone (Sola Scriptura), personally interpreted.

Yet, that’s not the case. There are literally thousands of man-made Protestant denominations, all claiming to be led by the Holy Spirit, personally interpreting the same Bible. But yet, they have different interpretations of the same Scriptures!

For example, Lutherans consider baptism essential, while Quakers do not.

Baptists consider an “adult” profession of faith to be an essential prerequisite for baptism, while Presbyterians do not.

Presbyterians consider the predestination of the elect to be anessential doctrine but Free Methodists do not.

Nazarenes consider personal holiness anessential prerequisite for salvation, while Lutherans do not.

Calvinists consider the “irresistability of grace” an essential belief, while Lutherans do not.

Episcopalians consider sacraments essential, but the Salvation Army does not.

Presbyterians regard the belief in the “total depravity” of man essential, but Methodists do not.

The Dutch Reformed consider creeds and confessions essential, but Baptists do not.

Baptists consider “altar calls” essential but Presbyterians do not.

And we could go on and on through thousands upon thousands of contradictory, man-made doctrines, all made up by folks personally interpreting Scripture and claiming to be led by the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is NOT the Spirit of Confusion, but of Truth. The Truths of Christ can never contradict themselves.

We will know Christ’s truths by its fruit. Disunity is not the work of Christ. The disunity of Protestantism disproves it’s validity.