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Will someone please explain today’s reading from Judges? It’s this kind of thing that really makes me question my faith. Killing and offering, killing and offering. Where is the reasoning behind all of this?

Today, a man kills his daughter and burns her on an altar for God. God is happy with this? All of this killing and sacrificing in the Old Testament seems really primative and…evil.

Someone is going to bring up the sacrifice of Jesus. This does not explain nor validate the whole concept found throughout the Bible of slaying, slaying, slaying. This not how a reasonable God behaves.

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This is a reading that makes me angry every time I hear it. But thinking about it over time has raised a number of thoughts.

Nothing in the reading says that God was pleased with the sacrifice. Jepthah makes a promise and fulfills it. It doesn’t say what God thought about things.

On the other hand, it says a great deal about Jepthah himself. He makes a rash promise. Had he been more humble, he could have asked God to release him from the promise, but his pride didn’t allow him to do that.

Look at the Psalm that is paired with this reading:

Sacrifice or oblation you wished not,
but ears open to obedience you gave me.
Burnt offerings or sin-offerings you sought not;
then said I, “Behold I come.”

God didn’t ask for the sacrifice but for obedience.

The reading still makes me angry. But I think it says a lot more about Jepthah – and about us – than it does about God.
 
I am not an expert apologist, but I can give my opinion on today’s passage. If I misinterpret the passage, I pray that someone correct me and I will humbly accept correction. I do not believe that today’s passage demonstrates God’s will or His approval of the sacrifice of the guy’s daughter. Israel, in the time of Judges, was a time where the Israelites often suffered because they were negatively affected by the pagan nations around them and they imitated their immoral practices. The pagan nations often used human sacrifices to appease the gods. The man in question seems to imitate the immoral practices of the surrounding nations. God did not ask for this sacrifice, he even commands that we not commit murder in the ten commandments, yet it seems the action was taken without guidance from prophets or any religious leaders. In one sense, the man was punished for his rash vow. If you look at the passage, the man never intended to sacrifice his daughter, he vowed to sacrifice the first person out the door upon his return. He probably thought it would be a servant or someone else more expendable. His punishment was that it was his beloved daughter who emerged.
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That being said, he still should not have sacrificed his daughter. His rash vow was a sin in itself. How many Christians make rash vows that should not be honored. Lets say I ask God to do something for me and if He grants it, I vow to blow up some mall. Should I keep a vow that is a sin in itself? Of course not, God would never mandate we keep a vow that is a sin itself.  We are not obliged to keep a vow that is sinful. This man simply should not have killed his daughter  any more than Herod should have killed John the Baptist because of his rash vow. He should have repented his sinful vow and substituted it with a good deed. The Bible does not say that God approved this vow, only what actually happened.

In the time of Judges, there were other judges who violated God's laws and paid a price for it. Sampson's heart was given to pagan women like Delilah. God had told Israelites to not take pagan women for wives nor give their daughter to pagan men for wives, but they violated God's laws anyway. In recounting Sampson's weakness for pagan women, the biblical writer is not asserting God's acceptance of Sampson's  lusting for pagan women, the Bible recounts his disobedience because it records what happened. Hope this helps, if not wait for a better answer!
 
Consider it in light of the story of Isaac and Abraham. God would not allow him to follow through with it, because it was more a test.

This sacrifice was not made in that God demanded it, it was made because Jepthath made a vow, and then fulfilled his vow, even at cost to himself.

Jepthath should not have made the vow, and if anything, I think the story has an element of punishment for arrogance, though it is not explicitly stated. When he made the vow he figured it’s probably just going to be some servants, who did not hold high standing in his eyes.

Anyway, we are told not to make such vows in the Gospels, so, I think you need to consider that this was coming from an age where sacrifices and war were the norms. The world experienced sin and redmeption in a different way according to the old covenant.

Consider the verse from Hosea, “I desire mercy and not sacrifice” and consider the hardness of Japtheths heart, but also his honor, his need to fulfill his own promise.

Even holy people in the bible are part of the same sinful nature and the fallen human condition.
 
Thank you for bringing this up for discussion. This reading bothered me all morning.
 
God was pleased with the offering of the daughter. I think God was pleased because her obedience to her father was obedience to Him.

Sacrifice or oblation you wished not,
but ears open to obedience you gave me.
Burnt offerings or sin-offerings you sought not;
then said I, "Behold I come."God didn’t ask for the sacrifice but for obedience.
 
Will someone please explain today’s reading from Judges? It’s this kind of thing that really makes me question my faith. Killing and offering, killing and offering. Where is the reasoning behind all of this?

Today, a man kills his daughter and burns her on an altar for God. God is happy with this? All of this killing and sacrificing in the Old Testament seems really primative and…evil.

Someone is going to bring up the sacrifice of Jesus. This does not explain nor validate the whole concept found throughout the Bible of slaying, slaying, slaying. This not how a reasonable God behaves.

Glennonite
People used (and still use) religion to justify all sorts of horrible deeds, so I think the story is still a pretty valuable lesson. I also think the story is intentionally ironic because it was specifically the Ammonites (the Israelites’ enemies in the story of Jephtha) who worshiped Molech (1Kings 11:7) the god to whom children were sacrificed according to Leviticus 20. Further, the Israelites were specifically commanded not to do battle with the Ammonites (Deut 2) because of their familial relationship (Gen 19:38).

There’s nothing in the text that says that God is happy with this action; Jephtha’s action is a crystal clear violation of the fifth commandment. The story shows that the Israelites were generally just as bad as their neighbors–which is basically the theme of the entire book of Judges.
 
Thanks to all for your responses; they have calmed me a bit. It doesn’t say that God was pleased. That makes a big difference. What kind of world did these people live in that a guy would slay his own daughter (or any other innocent) who accidently walks out a door?

Glennonite
 
Will someone please explain today’s reading from Judges? It’s this kind of thing that really makes me question my faith. Killing and offering, killing and offering. Where is the reasoning behind all of this?

Today, a man kills his daughter and burns her on an altar for God. God is happy with this? All of this killing and sacrificing in the Old Testament seems really primative and…evil.

Someone is going to bring up the sacrifice of Jesus. This does not explain nor validate the whole concept found throughout the Bible of slaying, slaying, slaying. This not how a reasonable God behaves.

Glennonite
Well, God certainly acts in agreement with right reason (which is a reflection of His nature), but not always in ways that we consider “reasonable.”

Are you assuming that we are supposed to approve of Jephthah’s actions? I certainly don’t and see no need to. We do learn how seriously Biblical folks took vows, but other than that I see no need to approve of this horrifying incident. (Some 19th-century commentators I’ve read suggest that she really became a sort of consecrated virgin and wasn’t actually killed, but that seems like a fanciful bowdlerization of the Biblical story.)

I am willing to condemn actions that the Biblical narrators definitely seem to approve of (such as Phinehas’ murder of a man and a woman on their wedding night, or the wholesale massacres of the Canaanites). Those passages genuinely bother me. But this one, while it bothers me as a human tragedy, doesn’t raise theological difficulties for me, because Jephthah (like Samson and Gideon) is clearly a flawed character whose actions are not presented as altogether worthy of emulation.

You say that Jesus’ sacrifice doesn’t explain or validate the bloodiness of the Bible. Why not? What kind of explanation or validation have you heard advanced, and why is it unconvincing? You’re speaking in rather general terms.

Jesus’ sacrifice doesn’t “validate” ancient blood sacrifice–it makes it unnecessary. And I think it’s important not to see this in purely “economic” or “dispensational” terms. Jesus is the full revelation of God. In Jesus we see that what ancient people were groping toward with their sense of the need for sacrifice was not in fact something that could ever be met by the bloody sacrifice of another human or animal (see Hebrews).

Human history is full of slaying, slaying, slaying. A bloodless Bible would have nothing to say to our condition.

What is remarkable to me in the OT is not the slaying, but the abundant moments of compassion and grace. I suppose it all depends on your perspective. Ironically, taking a less conservative view of the Bible allows you to see the beauty and grace in it, because you no longer feel pressured to justify everything of which the Biblical narrators appear to approve. (Though as I said, I don’t actually think that’s the case here.)

Edwin
 
keep in mind the very next verse after that reading:

She had not been intimate with man. It then became a custom in Israel for Israelite women to go yearly to mourn the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite for four days of the year. (Judges 11:39-40)

Jephthah was one of he judges of Isreal whom God raised up to prepare Israel for what they were to encounter when they asked for a King. The rest of the judges showed some incredibly poor judgement - getting messed up with some pretty screwy women, seeking the favor of men, infighting with other tribes of Israel, and setting up idols.

The Kings later showed that same poor judement - Saul was crazy and fancied himself a levitical priest, David murdered Uriah the Hittite because he had sex with Uriah’s wife, Solomon put his subjects under harsh forced labor so that he could be the richest man the world has ever known, and Solomon’s son Rehoboam threatened the people with such harsh treatment that 10 of the 12 tribes seceded to form their own nation and worship golden calves (again).

We have to look at the story of Jephthah in the context of the poor leadership all through Israel and how it points to our perfect leader, Jesus Christ, and his queen mother Mary.

-Tim-
 
Thanks to all for your responses; they have calmed me a bit. It doesn’t say that God was pleased. That makes a big difference. What kind of world did these people live in that a guy would slay his own daughter (or any other innocent) who accidently walks out a door?

Glennonite
There are several things to consider here; it doesn’t say that Jephthe was a full Israelite, but a Galaadite, the son of a “harlot” and his father was “Galaad”/ so he isn’t subject to God’s normal rules. Sadly, even the sacrifice of an enemy (human sacrifice) was permitted in the israelite temple for those who refused worship to God and who were taken in war against Israel. If you will, they were executed publicly as an act of worship.

In the case of Jephte, his honor rested on his valor, and the truth of his word. His reputation was not all that good otherwise – as it says: “there were gathered to him needy and robbers, and they followed him as their prince”. (Judge 11:2)
Yet, there is no honor among thieves – and so Jephte had to have something which set him apart.

In judges 11:25, Jepthe brings up “Balac”, who is tied to a particular sexual sin of israel with Balaam – The NON Israelite prophet of God; So God showed favor to some who were totally outside of Israel – and occasionally these chosen would sin against God for money. It is important to note that the women of these rival tribes were sent into the tribe of Israel to seduce the priests by sexual acts of worship in order to get them to sin against God so that God would no longer show favor to Israel.

Jephte – is already an incident with a Harlot; robbers and needy; so, there is a risk that his rise to power would be associated with Idolatry. In effect, Jephte represents sinful Israel of the Past at war with Moab; This is a historical cameo appearance, and the question being asked is – what is to become of sinful Israel?
If Jephte were associated only with robbers, and not with the needy as well – the answer would have to be merciless destruction; but as it is – Jephte is a man of mixed good and evil.

Judges 11:29 says “the spirit of the Lord” came upon Jephte – so it really isn’t proper to say that what comes from Jephte isn’t inspired of God. Or that God isn’t pleased with it. Notice, his daughter is his only child – and when he made his vow he said “the first to come fourth out of doors of my house” he knew full well that he had only one child.

The context of his making the vow, is that he went around to Manasses, Maspha, of the true Israelites and half tribes, to rally them to go to war under his direction. The only thing they despised about him was his pedigree, and like moses, they feared he would be king. His vow, then, is calculated to calm their fears and avert a tragedy that would kill them all.

In the following passage, the author again alludes to the spoils of war – for to humble an enemy often meant to take it’s women into Israelite homes as war trophies and second wives; As Moses said, “If you DO humble her – you shall not sell her, but she shall have the rights of a wife”. It is that exact word that is used of Ammon, it being said : The children of Ammon were humbled by the children of Israel.

And this happened under Jephte.

So when Jephte comes home, and is surprised by his daughter – he says “you have deceived me” (as was said of Eve) – which doesn’t make much sense unless she already knew what was to come and chose to do it any way.
Notice also that she assents afterward; and her motive is the stature of her father’s name – that he was “revenged on his enemies” – which isn’t a motive God approves of.

The upshot is not that she bewails her coming “death”, but rather she bewails her “virginity”. An Israelite was not allowed to sacrifice their own child. Consider what is said of the firstborn – you shall not sacrifice it, but redeem it. The law, then, from the time of Abraham is that a child could be redeemed by the holocost of an animal; The idea of an “equivalent sacrifice” is part of the law.

However, if you need to understand this more deeply – there is a double consequence for a rash oath. God doesn’t permit the substitute sacrifice to mean that the original sacrifice is not his as well – only that it is to be dedicated rather than killed. The item to be sacrificed in the first place also had to be forfeit in some manner – in this case it appears that she would have been given into service at the temple as a perpetual virgin, or some equivalent service – and that Jephte would have no child with which to carry on his name.

Nowhere in the text does it explicitly say “Jephte burned his daughter” but it does say to the very end, “She knew no man”. Precisely the same words spoken of Mary in the new testament. Some speculate he burned her because it says “He did to her as he had vowed” – but as she came “first” from his house, or side (thigh?) the place of the sword, she is automatically protected by the law. No firstborn daughter was to be sacrificed any more than a firstborn son, but they must be redeemed.
 
Will someone please explain today’s reading from Judges? It’s this kind of thing that really makes me question my faith. Killing and offering, killing and offering. Where is the reasoning behind all of this?

Today, a man kills his daughter and burns her on an altar for God. God is happy with this? All of this killing and sacrificing in the Old Testament seems really primative and…evil.

Someone is going to bring up the sacrifice of Jesus. This does not explain nor validate the whole concept found throughout the Bible of slaying, slaying, slaying. This not how a reasonable God behaves.

Glennonite
There are many things in the OT that would seem to be totally at odds with the God of the NT. I don’t happen to believe that everything which is attributed to God in the OT was necessarily more than the opinion of the writer-what he believed to be God’s will-based on the way they perceived God and His nature and will at the time. As humankind has gained knowledge through it’s history, through experience, our concept of God should mature, with the help of His revelation, made most complete via the incarnation of Christ. IOW, perhaps, man was not yet ready for a God-who-is-love until the time was ripe-and we’re just barely beginning to scratch the surface of that concept-of that light that entered the world- even now.
 
The whole book of Judges is made up of stories that are shocking.
I believe the key to understanding this story, along with the rest of Judges is to remember that this was a time when “every man did what was right in his own eyes”.
You know, this is pretty much the way the world is, when we turn from God. When we try to set up ourselves as the “judges” instead of yielding to the will of God, Who is the only just Judge, we end up in all kinds of horrible situations.
So, to me, the story of Jephthah is actually a story of what** displeases** God, not what pleases Him. If Jephthah had cared about what God wanted, instead of what he had said he would do (& was now afraid to back out of, lest someone mock him), he would never have made this vow in the first place, much less have carried it out.
 
Is it certain that she was killed/sacrificed? I vaguely remember reading something about her being dedicated to serve in the temple or something like that.

However, I think the story is a warning not to make promises to God to do something bad. (Maybe what Jephtha did counts as taking the Lord’s name in vain?)

The Catechism is interesting here: **Promises and vows

2101 In many circumstances, the Christian is called to make promises to God. Baptism and Confirmation, Matrimony and Holy Orders always entail promises. Out of personal devotion, the Christian may also promise to God this action, that prayer, this alms-giving, that pilgrimage, and so forth. Fidelity to promises made to God is a sign of the respect owed to the divine majesty and of love for a faithful God.

2102 "A vow is a deliberate and free promise made to God concerning a possible and better good which must be fulfilled by reason of the virtue of religion,"21 A vow is an act of devotion in which the Christian dedicates himself to God or promises him some good work. By fulfilling his vows he renders to God what has been promised and consecrated to Him. The Acts of the Apostles shows us St. Paul concerned to fulfill the vows he had made.22 **

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P7D.HTM
 
(Maybe what Jephtha did counts as taking the Lord’s name in vain?)
Oh! That could very well be!!
Good call, I hadn’t thought of that!! Thank you!!🙂
 
Will someone please explain today’s reading from Judges? It’s this kind of thing that really makes me question my faith. Killing and offering, killing and offering. Where is the reasoning behind all of this?

Today, a man kills his daughter and burns her on an altar for God. God is happy with this? All of this killing and sacrificing in the Old Testament seems really primative and…evil.

Someone is going to bring up the sacrifice of Jesus. This does not explain nor validate the whole concept found throughout the Bible of slaying, slaying, slaying. This not how a reasonable God behaves.

Glennonite
The Jewish interpretation of these passages in the Jewish scriptures, not only does not have to grapple with the necessity of translation from the original Hebrew, but also comes with an understanding of Jewish law, ethics and morality.

Only specific “clean” animals may be used for specific sacrifices. No “unclean” animal may be used and certainly no human (as that would be murder and human blood is the most serious kind of ritual contamination). No such human sacrifice at the altar would ever have been permitted by Phinehas the Kohen or anyone else.

Indeed, in making the vow, Jephthah could not have known whether a “clean animal” or an “unclean animal” would emerge. If a pig, or a rat or a camel had emerged, it would be just as unthinkable to use them in a sacrifice as to use a human (see Talmud Taanit (Taanis) 4a

Secondly, in Jewish law, the vow of the father did not create an obligation for the daughter (in fact an important subtext to these passages is that Jephthah did not go to Phinehas to have his vow annulled as he felt, as leader of the nation, that Phinehas should come to him while Phinehas felt that as a prophet and Kohen, that Jephthah should come to him. As a result the vow was not annulled and they were both punished. Phinehas lost his exalted position and Jephthah contracted a disease which caused his limbs to atrophy and fall off one by one (see Judges 12:7 "buried in the cities (plural!) of Gilead).

The daughter took the obligation of the vow upon herself. However, what does this mean? The answer is the same answer you get whenever you have an animal dedicated for sacrifice that can not be used in sacrifice.

Any animal dedicated for sacrifice belongs to God and may not be sold, or slaughtered for food, or used for any purpose including breeding even it cannot be used for sacrifice, for example, due to injury.

This was the situation of the daughter. She could not be sacrificed, but she also could not work in any capacity, or marry, or be “used for breeding”, for the rest of her life. She lived the rest of her life in seclusion, devoted herself to prayer, never married or had children and never knew a man.
 
This was the situation of the daughter. She could not be sacrificed, but she also could not work in any capacity, or marry, or be “used for breeding”, for the rest of her life. She lived the rest of her life in seclusion, devoted herself to prayer, never married or had children and never knew a man.
Thanks for sharing the Jewish interpretation with us!
So would she have lived as in solitary confinement? At the temple?
 
Thanks for sharing the Jewish interpretation with us!
So would she have lived as in solitary confinement? At the temple?
She would have to be fed and sheltered and protected from breaking her vow.

It is interesting that this state of not becoming a wife and mother is such a horrendous possibility in the story that the daughter goes out camping for two months with her girlfriends before voluntarily accepting the vow. The young woman being denied becoming a wife and mother is viewed as a horrendous tragedy in the Jewish scripture.

I could not help comparing this attitude to that of the nun in Catholicism. A Catholic woman, often at the same stage of life as the daughter, voluntarily gives herself to the service of God to live a life in solitude and prayer and it is considered a positive and good act.

The basic difference is perhaps found in the centrality in Judaism of life on this earth (as opposed to be merely being a preparation for the world to come) as well as the centrality of the Jewish wife and mother and the Jewish home.
 
Oh for crying out loud, nowhere in the passage of the Douay Rheims bible does it indicate that she was burnt (Judges chapter 11). They say she was offered as a holocaust but that doesn’t mean she was burnt, it means she was ofered like a victim soul, giving her sufferings and services to God. It is for that reason she asked her father to hide for two months to bewail her virginity, as Bishop Challoner said:

“Bewail my virginity”… The bearing of children was much coveted under the Old Testament, when women might hope that from some child of theirs, the Saviour of the world might one day spring. But under the New Testament virginity is preferred. 1 Cor. 7. 35.

See? Its that simple. Nowhere does it indicate she was burnt.
 
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