Sacrifice of the Mass

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jmcrae said:
Of course not. The bread and wine are sacrificed by the priest (not by Christ!!) in thanksgiving. (Eucharistia)

Christ’s Sacrifice for our sins is made present on the Altar.

God also accepts many kinds of sacrifices from our priests and even from us.

Eucharistic Prayer I says:

Listen again more carefully to the words of Eucharistic Prayer I:

Clearly, there is an exchange of substances. 🙂
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AGAIN! PLEASE DO NOT DISTORT THE MASS!! THE EUCHARISTIC PRAYER I:
In humble prayer we ask you, almighty God:
command that these gifts be borne
by the hands of your holy Angel
to your altar on high
in the sight of your divine majesty,
so that all of us, who through this participation at the altar
receive the most holy Body and Blood of your Son,
may be filled with every grace and heavenly blessing.
IS SAID BY THE PRIEST AFTER THE EPICLESIS AND CONSECRATION. THIS SAID GIFTS THEREFORE iS THE VERY CHRIST BECAUSE THERE IS ALREADY A CHANGE OF THE SUBSTANCE OF BREAD AND WINE INTO THE VERY BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST. CLEARLY YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE MASS BUT IS TAKING THE PRAYER VERSES OUT OF CONTEXT. BY THE WAY, I AM USING THE NEW TRANSLATION TEXT OF THE ROMAN CANON. EVEN THE OLD ONE YOU ARE USING IS CLEAR. THE PRAYER IS OFFERED RIGHT AFTER THE CONSECRATION AND NOT BEFORE. DON’T BE AN IDIOT AND IGNORANT. YOU ARE TEACHING HERESY!!!
 
jmcrae said:
of course not. The bread and wine are sacrificed by the priest (not by christ!!) in thanksgiving. (eucharistia)

christ’s sacrifice for our sins is made present on the altar.

God also accepts many kinds of sacrifices from our priests and even from us.

Eucharistic prayer i says:

Listen again more carefully to the words of eucharistic prayer i:

Clearly, there is an exchange of substances. 🙂
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once again, the dogma of the catholic church is that once the bread and wine are consecrated they are no longer bread and wine. A transubstantiation into the very body and blood of christ is performed by god. The eucharistic prayer i is after that consecration and not before. When god was pleased to accept the bread and wine offered by melchizedek, it is because it points to the eucharistic sacrifice of the mass which is not bread and wine offered to god in exchange for christ but christ himself perpetuating his once and for all offering to his father for our sins. Therefore, after consecration, every sacrifice pertaining to the elements of the eucharist: Bread and wine is already not mere bread and wine but are the very substance of christ. So please follow the context of the mass carefully so that you will never go astray.
 
KathleenGee said:
The Catholic faith is in essence the fulfillment of Judaism.

The Hebrew Catholics experience more fulfillment as Jews now incorporated in the Church, than prior before, without the Church.

However, the Gentiles readily accepted Christ. The first 300 years were extremely hard and also hard to document. The last two emperors of Rome were the most brutal. The Lord came to Constantine either in a dream or vision to have his soldiers put the cross on their shields. They won, and then Constantine allowed Christianity to be a legal religion.

Constantine rebuilt many churches as so many were destroyed. But he did not become a Christian until a few days before his death. He brought prominence to the voice of the Church by elevating the altar and providing a pulpit for the bishop and priests so that Jesus Christ could be proclaimed. In Constantine’s reign, about 1 million pagans joined the Church and brought with them pagan customs…such as genuflecting before the altar and statues…but we do not worship statues, and I think by reading the parts on the Mass one can see our beliefs on worship.
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Amen!
 
KathleenGee said:
I will add one more…the description of the Mass by St. Justin the Martyr upon the request by Roman Emperor Antoninus Pius in the year 155 AD…such a request puzzled Christians as the Mass was understood and practiced pretty much the same throughout the Christian world, there was the Apostles Creed, the episcopal hierarchy, and most books except the Book of Hebrews were acknowledged by the Church as fit for universal public instruction, its authors verified.

St. Justin the Martyr was one of those in early Christian thought who fought heresy and also had his own reflections about God that were later proved incorrect. But nevertheless he was a great saint and martyr.

“Sunday Mass in Rome”…155 AD…

'On the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or countryside gather in one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits. Then, when the reader has finished, the president instructs and exhorts them to imitate these good things. Then we all rise together and pray…When our prayer is ended, bread and wine with water are brought forth, and the president offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability. The people assent, saying “Amen”; and there is a distribution to each of the Eucharistic elements. The deacons carry a portion to those who are absent.

Those who are able give willingly whatever sum they each think appropriate. The money collected is deposited with the president. He gives it, then, to comfort orphans, widows, and those who are wanting, through sickness or any other cause, and those who are imprisoned, and strangers traveling among us. In a word, he takes care of all who are in need.

Sunday is when we hold our assembly because it is the first day, on which God brought forth the world from darkness and matter. On the same day, Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead. For he was crucified on the day before Saturn’s day (Saturday); and on the day after Saturn’s day, which is the day of the sun, he appeared to his apostles and disciples and taught them these things, which we have submitted to you for your consideration.’
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                                                                      --- First Apology 67
The Mass then has the same spirit and tone as today’s and the same parts then are here with us today.

Also note that in Latin language countries, the days of the week are derivatives of ancient Latin gods…Mercury for Monday for example…I used to know them…Portuguese has some, other days of the week are numbered…like Thursday is Quinta feira…but one word.
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AMEN!
 
Kyrby_Caluna said:
AGAIN! PLEASE DO NOT DISTORT THE MASS!! THE EUCHARISTIC PRAYER I:
In humble prayer we ask you, almighty God:
command that these gifts be borne
by the hands of your holy Angel
to your altar on high
in the sight of your divine majesty,
so that all of us, who through this participation at the altar
receive the most holy Body and Blood of your Son,
may be filled with every grace and heavenly blessing.
IS SAID BY THE PRIEST AFTER THE EPICLESIS AND CONSECRATION. THIS SAID GIFTS THEREFORE iS THE VERY CHRIST BECAUSE THERE IS ALREADY A CHANGE OF THE SUBSTANCE OF BREAD AND WINE INTO THE VERY BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST. CLEARLY YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE MASS BUT IS TAKING THE PRAYER VERSES OUT OF CONTEXT. BY THE WAY, I AM USING THE NEW TRANSLATION TEXT OF THE ROMAN CANON. EVEN THE OLD ONE YOU ARE USING IS CLEAR. THE PRAYER IS OFFERED RIGHT AFTER THE CONSECRATION AND NOT BEFORE
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Simmer down, Kyrby. jmcrae has not been teaching any kind of heresy.

She corrected you when you rather incorrectly said “He has only accepted one sacrifice once and for all – Jesus Christ his Son, our Lord.” Do you not remember praying these words with your priest yesterday?

Look with favor on these offerings and accept them as once you accepted the gifts of your servant Abel, the sacrifice of Abraham, our father in faith, and the bread and wine offered by your priest Melchizedek.

God accepts other sacrifices, including our very selves… They simply do not atone for our sins. Only Christ’s sacrifice did that.
DON’T BE AN IDIOT AND IGNORANT. YOU ARE TEACHING HERESY!!!
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Since you are new, I will cut you some slack and just give you a friendly warning: this type of language is not endorsed here.

It’s good for you to be here, Kyrby, to learn from more knowledgeable and orthodox Catholics, so I would hate for you to be banned or suspended, when you just got here.
 
Christ_Bearer said:
In my first thread I asked about the veneration of Mary. Very helpful thoughts everyone contributed. I am still chewing on much of it. Thank you!

Here goes number 2 comment/question from a traditional protestant…

*The Mass being a fresh sacrifice of Christ is a blasphemy. The book of Hebrews among other scriptures clearly states that Christ’s sacrifice was “once for all”. I even knew of a former Catholic Priest who left the Catholic Church because he said that when he read the book of Hebrews “things just weren’t lining up”. How can Christ be sacrifice over and over again when he said on the cross “it is finished!” ?
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Apparently the ex-priest was sick the day they taught about the sacrifice. First of all,the Jews had many unbloody sacrifices,thus did it make them void, null,meaningless,etc? The Mass is a re-presentation of that “once for all” so that ex-priest is dead wrong! If the Mass is not “lining up” then why would Jesus even bother to institute the Mass?
 
I’m a late comer to this, but was just searching around the forums tonight because, for the first time, I attended a Seder. It was an eye opening experience that ended up getting me to read this article, and I thought I’d share it with you so you can learn what I just did.

archive.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9109fea1.asp

Jesus is the Lamb of God that was Sacrificed on the Passover…He is the perfect Sacrifice, which you will agree on. During the Passover, the Jews sacrificed a lamb, because it was Gods instruction to do so. The blood of the lamb was put on the door. However, the lamb was not discarded, it was consumed. The eating of the lamb was an important part of the ritual, and the ritual was not complete without doing so.

Recall that they asked Jesus, “How can you give us your flesh to eat or your blood to drink?” (John Chapter 6)…Jesus fulfills the Law (Matthew 5:17), and, therefore, fulfills the Passover. There is no need of a sacrificial lamb anymore, because Jesus is the Lamb of God, the lamb which gives true life. We do not offer, or sacrifice a Lamb as the accusation implies. We are consuming the Lamb which God has given us in order to proclaim what Jesus said was finished when He died on the cross (1 Corinthians 11:26).
 
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