Sacrificing talents in religious life

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I’ve written on here a few times before… thanks for all the great advice and the prayers. I now have another concern. For those who don’t know, I’m a senior in college, think I might have a vocation to be a sister or a nun, and am torn between religious life and dental school.

I’ve always done very well in school. I can’t help but wonder if I join an order instead of dental school, if that will be ‘wasting’ what is the most obvious talent God has given me, which is a ‘talent’ for academics. I don’t mean to imply that I think I’m ‘too smart’ for religious life; I don’t think that’s possible for anyone. But I wonder if I would really feel satisfied without challenging myself academically as much as I can handle. I tell myself that God will find a way to use my talents, even in a convent… but it’s kind of hard to see how, especially if I end up joining a cloistered community (which I haven’t ruled out).

Advice, inspiring quotes, stories, and/or prayers are welcome!
 
I was reading last night on the Nashville Dominicans’ website about this same subject! I think it would be of great benefit to you to read it as well:

nashvilledominican.org/Vocations/Frequently_Asked_Questions

Scroll down to wear it talks about education, and you’ll see what I mean. Dominicans put tremendous emphasis on teaching and learning. Maybe you should check into them? 😉

Read through the whole website if you have the time. It impressed me because they show that becoming a Sister does not mean giving up your individuality. Certainly, there will be sacrifices, but what you give, you get back in return a hundredfold!

I also suggest that you read the profile of Sr. Mary Martha:

nashvilledominican.org/Community/Sister_Profiles/Sister_Mary_Martha

I hope this helps!
 
I’ve written on here a few times before… thanks for all the great advice and the prayers. I now have another concern. For those who don’t know, I’m a senior in college, think I might have a vocation to be a sister or a nun, and am torn between religious life and dental school.

I’ve always done very well in school. I can’t help but wonder if I join an order instead of dental school, if that will be ‘wasting’ what is the most obvious talent God has given me, which is a ‘talent’ for academics. I don’t mean to imply that I think I’m ‘too smart’ for religious life; I don’t think that’s possible for anyone. But I wonder if I would really feel satisfied without challenging myself academically as much as I can handle. I tell myself that God will find a way to use my talents, even in a convent… but it’s kind of hard to see how, especially if I end up joining a cloistered community (which I haven’t ruled out).

Advice, inspiring quotes, stories, and/or prayers are welcome!
waves I have a degree in biology and I’m working to get into medical school. I have always been particularly good with chemistry, specifically biochemistry. My main interest is endocrinology.

God is calling me to work as a single or religious nun/sister. I am going to try to get into a missionary religious group to work with the poor. You can still use your talents. Think Mother Teresa! Do you think she just sat around a convent all day? Different religious have different roles to which they dedicate themselves. Look at all of them! Look at all the possibilities. That particular website has only a small sample of all the orders you can join! Pray and research it, as I’m sure you’ve probably got talent in research.😉

You don’t have to sacrifice God-given talents to be a religious sister. If God calls you to it, you can use them better than you ever would if you utilized them without becoming a religious. 👍

Keep with it and pray! I’ll be behind you in prayer! :gopray:

Every man has his own vocation, talent is the call.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson

Psalm 45:(This psalm is about Our Lady and priests and religious sisters. I only included the part about religious sisters in my quote.)

11 Hearken, O daughter, and see, and incline your ear: and forget your people and your father’s house. 12 And the king shall greatly desire your beauty; for he is the Lord your God, and him they shall adore. 13 And the daughters of Tyre with gifts, yea, all the rich among the people, shall entreat your countenance. 14 All the glory of the king’s daughter is within in golden borders, 15 clothed round about with varieties. After her shall virgins be brought to the king: her neighbours shall be brought to you. 16 They shall be brought with gladness and rejoicing: they shall be brought into the temple of the king.
 
I’ve written on here a few times before… thanks for all the great advice and the prayers. I now have another concern. For those who don’t know, I’m a senior in college, think I might have a vocation to be a sister or a nun, and am torn between religious life and dental school.

I’ve always done very well in school. I can’t help but wonder if I join an order instead of dental school, if that will be ‘wasting’ what is the most obvious talent God has given me, which is a ‘talent’ for academics. I don’t mean to imply that I think I’m ‘too smart’ for religious life; I don’t think that’s possible for anyone. But I wonder if I would really feel satisfied without challenging myself academically as much as I can handle. I tell myself that God will find a way to use my talents, even in a convent… but it’s kind of hard to see how, especially if I end up joining a cloistered community (which I haven’t ruled out).

Advice, inspiring quotes, stories, and/or prayers are welcome!
I have no suggested direction for you, but you might want to do some reading by St. Josemaria Escriva. He wrote a lot about the “vocations” that we can pursue as part of our regular jobs. “The Way” contains 1000 short pearls of wisdom, many of which relate to what you are seeking. I’ve also read more of his teachings about this, but I don’t remember where 😦

Another good book which might be insightful for you - “The Fulfillment of All Desire” by Ralph Martin. Most of the book is quotes from Doctors of the Church who also happened to be monks and nuns (a great book no matter which direction you turn).

And 2 more books - The Imitation of Christ, and The Cloud of Unknowing. These were written by monks, for monks, and may be helpful.

One final thought. Sacrifice is good. If you give up a lucrative profession for which you have immense talent it means more, and does more good for your soul than e.g. giving up broccoli for Lent. Also, should you join a religious order, you would be celibate. This is an even bigger sacrifice because what you are giving up is so holy and profound to begin with (again, not like broccoli).

God be with you on your journey!
 
Look into the women’s Benedictine and Dominican orders, especially the ones not wearing habits. Education, learning and teaching are integral parts of their charisms, especially of the Benedictines, the OSP’s, Order of St. Benedict. The Nashville and Ann Arbor Dominicans mainly teach in elementary schools and are immense pressure to produce teaching sisters. I don’t know if they wish to devote resources at this point to training their sisters beyond the college level to teach in secondary schools or universities.

The so-called, non-habited orders are full of well-educated women with multiple degrees, many of whom have taught for years. They may be open to modified habits, in view of the current preference.

For the Benedictines, here are some possibilities:

Women’s Benedictine orders who teach in colleges they founded and nearby university and prep schools:

Duluth MN Benedictines at St. Scholastica College, Duluth, Minnesota

duluthbenedictines.org/ministries_education.php
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Benedictines in St. Joseph MN** teach at the College of St. Benedict, which they founded, and at a nearby prep school, in addition to teaching in secondary and elementary education.

sbm.osb.org/ministries/other_ministries/education/

Nuns at** Mt. St. Scholastica in Atchinson Kansas** teach at Benedictine College, Mount Conservatory of Music and a local coed prep academy.

mountosb.org/our_ministry.html

**Annunciation Monastery Bismarck N Dak **sisters teach at the University of Mary in Bismarck, along with the monks.

annunciationmonastery.org/ministries.htm
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Sacred Heart Monastery in Yankton SD **Benedictine sisters teach at Mt Marty College, founded by one of their late prioresses, who was inducted in to the SD Hall of Fame. Two sisters to taught there were recently awarded honorary doctorates from the college.

yanktonbenedictines.org/SHM_News_Home.html

Priory of St. Placid in Lacey WA where St. Martin’s College is, taught by Benedictine monks. One of the nuns at the priory was just made a ful professor in chemistry at the University of Portland.

stplacid.org/

Most of these nuns don’t wear habits, except for their older members. However, they may be open to the possibility and have the resources, as the older nuns often wear them.
 
waves I have a degree in biology and I’m working to get into medical school. I have always been particularly good with chemistry, specifically biochemistry. My main interest is endocrinology.

God is calling me to work as a single or religious nun/sister. I am going to try to get into a missionary religious group to work with the poor. You can still use your talents. Think Mother Teresa! Do you think she just sat around a convent all day? Different religious have different roles to which they dedicate themselves. Look at all of them! Look at all the possibilities. That particular website has only a small sample of all the orders you can join! Pray and research it, as I’m sure you’ve probably got talent in research.😉

Have you heard of the Hawthorne Dominicans? They have a ministry as a nursing order to terminally ill patients. I’m not sure how ‘medical’ it really is. But you could check it out. I know they have a house in Kenya.

-Rob
 
Here are links to the active Dominican Sisters who teach:

These Dominican active sisters strike me as smart, well-educated and proactive, responding to the needs of the times. For example, they now are occupied in many missions dealing with peace and social justice. The following congregations still have teaching missions, long part of the Dominican charism.

Dominican Sisters of Adrian, MI-—sponsor Barry College Fl and Siena Heights Univ and several prep academies.

adriandominicans.org/WhatsHappening/AdrianDominicanNews.aspx

Dominican Sisters of Amityville NY—sponsor an academic high school.

amityvilleop.org/sponministries.htm

Dominican Sisters of Caldwell NJ--teach at Caldwell Colllege, two academies and one community school.

caldwellop.org/about_us_education.htm

**Dominican Sisters of Grand Rapids MI ** --teach at all levels. Two teach at University of Dallas and Aquinas College.

grdominicans.org/education/822/

Dominican Sisters of Mission San Jose CA–teach in three academies. These sisters wear an attractive modified habit.

msjdominicans.org/ourMinistry/education.aspx

Dominican Sisters of Peace—represent a fusion of several smaller communities, now based in Columbus Ohio. They teach in a number of schools at all levels, and in three colleges and universities.

oppeace.org/index.php/where_we_serve/education

Dominican Sisters of San Rafael, CA—teach at two academies which go through high school.

sanrafaelop.org/whatwedo/sistersinministry_education.htm

Dominican Sisters of Sinsinewa WI-—teach courses in a community education venue for GED and college prep level.

sinsinawa.org/MoundCenter/CommEdu.html

Dominican Sisters of Sparkill NY-—own and operate two high schools, teach in or administer in several others and provide ESL services.

sparkill.org/Public/ministries/education.html
 
Wow, I feel overwhelmed with all the responses, both the research and inspiration!

I’ve considered trying to do both- possibly becoming a dentist for an order like the Sisters of Mercy in Alma, Michigan, where most of the sisters are physicians, lawyers, etc. I could use my talent and still follow my call.

To be honest, though, I’ve questioned whether by doing that I would be trying to ‘eat my cake and have it, too.’ I don’t mean to say that others who work as professionals and become sisters are doing the same. It’s just that I don’t know that I personally have the call to work as a professional… I feel something of a call to be a contemplative. I think my pride is holding me back from letting go of ‘all the good I could do’ if I just follow my own plan.

I also wonder if I can wait that long. Four years (the time I’d be in dental school) seems like such a long time to wait when I feel the call NOW.

Anyhow, it’s interesting that Benedictines were mentioned. I had no idea that they taught at all. Strangely enough, a few months ago I woke up suddenly in the middle of the night with the word ‘Benedictine’ VERY clearly in my head. I don’t know if that meant something, but I’m forcing myself to stay open to the idea, and I’ve also considered a few Dominican orders because of their emphasis on learning and academics. I don’t think I have the personality to be a teacher… but who knows! Only God.

Oh, another thing I should mention… I have a major hangup on habits. I doubt I would consider an order without them. I’ve personally known a sister who wears ‘normal’ clothing, and I don’t think any less of her for it… but for me personally, having a habit as a sign of witness and being set apart for God is extremely important, as is the order’s orthodoxy and fidelity to the Church.

Thanks so much for the responses and support. It means so much to me, especially since I haven’t told anyone about this and know that once I do, my family and most of my friends will probably be very opposed to it. I’ll be praying for all of you, also.
 
I have nothing personally against the habitless orders, but one needs to discern carefully because there are some who focus too much on the “needs of the time” in conservation and global peace that Christ is pretty much being forgotten. Some religious orders are also showing that their obedience is to God only and not the Church.

This is why a spiritual director is so necessary. Never make the leap to ANY religious order (habited or not) before checking them out thoroughly to see if they are in line with Church teaching. God bless!
 
Wow, I feel overwhelmed with all the responses, both the research and inspiration!

I’ve considered trying to do both- possibly becoming a dentist for an order like the Sisters of Mercy in Alma, Michigan, where most of the sisters are physicians, lawyers, etc. I could use my talent and still follow my call.

To be honest, though, I’ve questioned whether by doing that I would be trying to ‘eat my cake and have it, too.’ I don’t mean to say that others who work as professionals and become sisters are doing the same. It’s just that I don’t know that I personally have the call to work as a professional…
A religious who takes something with her into religious life-- if she is being faithful-- never works merely as a professional. I know some religious who have degrees in biology and other ‘secular’ fields. But you’re right, if you mean you’re not sure you want to do the work of whatever that profession is. Besides, when it comes down to it, you’re under obedience. If your order ultimately doesn’t need you in that capacity, you may not end up working in that position, and who knows what you’ll be doing. What’s important is to be docile to alternative possibilities. IF anything, I think that it is possible that religious who have degrees or expertise prior to becoming religious, may sometimes find it a bit tiring to have to keep providing their prior expertise while in religious life… and in some ways that can become a cross. After all, if the order you are in has a need, and you are the only one who can fill it, who are you to argue with them, even if you’d rather be doing something more like whatever ‘typical’ religious life is? Who knows what will happen. 🙂
I feel something of a call to be a contemplative. I think my pride is holding me back from letting go of ‘all the good I could do’ if I just follow my own plan.
Perhaps. I find the idea of the purely cloistered, contemplative life to be very beautiful. But honestly, when I think about it a little more, and see it really up close, I realize that my personality is unsuited for such a life. For instance, I watched the video on the Carthusians, “Into Great Silence,” and read the book “An Infinity of Little Hours”-- and I came away with the same impression, namely, that it wasn’t for me.

Don’t think that you have to find the most extreme, austere, or contemplative order. The question is what is best for you, as the person you are.

Do me a favor, and check out this Dominican community in Linden, VA. Someone pointed them out to me. They are contemplative. They have newly decided to reappropriate their ancient monastic practice… of the night office. They rise at 3:30 am for Matins. So wonderful. 😛 I’d love to hear from any ladies about these nuns, but at the same time, I’d love to refer people to them, hoping that someone finds them a good fit.

Do you pray the liturgy of the hours (the divine office)? If you think you might be called to religious life, period, and contemplative life, especially, your life will revolve around praying the liturgy of the hours. Start praying it now, get in the ‘habit’ of doing so, and you never know… you might suddenly find contemplative life more appealing. (And I don’t want to prod you to reveal private details about your prayer life otherwise, but it’s also good to have a hearty amount of time dedicated to meditative prayer every day. As it is, prayer is the most fundamental of the nuts and bolts of religious life, period, and so it’s really the best preparation you can make).
I also wonder if I can wait that long. Four years (the time I’d be in dental school) seems like such a long time to wait when I feel the call NOW.
Haha, very true. Is it just abstract obligation, or duty, which makes you feel you need some expertise? Or do you genuinely want to work in some field?

If you just think you ‘should,’ well, consider again. You may not really want to do this. On the other hand, if you genuinely want to work in some field-- and you’re not just choosing it as some ‘default’ because, heck, an academic who isn’t entering religious life needs to have some job, so she might as well pick some field, and this one will do…-- then do consider pursuing it, or at least entering an order which will let you pursue it after you’ve professed. I’m not sure I’ve been clear, but I think you’ll get it.
Anyhow, it’s interesting that Benedictines were mentioned. I had no idea that they taught at all. Strangely enough, a few months ago I woke up suddenly in the middle of the night with the word ‘Benedictine’ VERY clearly in my head. I don’t know if that meant something, but I’m forcing myself to stay open to the idea, and I’ve also considered a few Dominican orders because of their emphasis on learning and academics. I don’t think I have the personality to be a teacher… but who knows! Only God.
Like I said above, there are also the contemplative Dominicans. 🙂 But enough with my ridiculous devotion to the Dominicans. You might very well like the Benedictines, or for that matter, the Carmelites, or many other wonderful orders.
Thanks so much for the responses and support. It means so much to me, especially since I haven’t told anyone about this and know that once I do, my family and most of my friends will probably be very opposed to it. I’ll be praying for all of you, also.
Ah. I understand. Pray very hard about this now. Hopefully it will be a trial which purifies both you and your family. 🙂
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Re habits, some of the Benedictine and Dominican orders I listed wear modified habits, the Dominicans of Mission San Jose in particular, a beautiful white dress with a black veil with thin white trim. In other orders, it’s mainly the older members wearing a habit or veil, but I don’t see why younger ones can’t also–the habit is ‘in place’ so to speak–(some of the difficulties are *finding *veils, etc, unless you’re an expert seamstress). I am interested if the current applicant pool of younger members are inquiring about habits and what the answers are. Missionary and Olivetan Benedictines (the latter in AK, the former in NE) wear habits but I don’t know if they teach. Most academics or religious who study also teach unless you’re going to enter the health field. Many of these same communities work in the health field. If you wanted to enter soon, you’d have to have commitments up front re schooling, which, in medicine, is very expensive, and might not start until after first vows at the earliest. The orders would want to spend the money on committed members only.

I was not aware that the Alma Mercies are *mainly *lawyers and doctors–my impression is that there are a few. They appear to be growing, but I can’t find any statistics on them anywhere. They are holding their cards very close to their wimples ;).
 
Re contemplative life, again the Benedictines and Dominicans show their colors again. Regina Laudis, in Bethlehem, CT, is filled with women with advanced degrees—they sing and record the Divine Office in Latin in Gregorian Chant, as do some others. The enclosed Dominicans spend a substantial amount of their time studying. All wear habits.
 
You might find the Franciscan Sisters of the Eucharist website interesting. Many of their sisters are professional women in a variety of fields.
I also wonder if educational debt would hinder you from entering a religious order if you went on to dental school?
 
You might find the Franciscan Sisters of the Eucharist website interesting. Many of their sisters are professional women in a variety of fields.
I also wonder if educational debt would hinder you from entering a religious order if you went on to dental school?
Yes, educational debt is very often a hindrance to entering religious life, especially these days where young women are being pressured to graduate school so they can “get a good job, making lots of money, earning prestige…” There are a few programs out there like the Laboure Foundation and Mater Ecclaesiae Fund that help with school debt, but I would suggest that if you are really, really sure that you have a religious vocation that you not add to the hindrance without contacting a spiritual director or the vocation director and see if you are spiritually ready to enter or if you should wait.

My friend entered an active religious community this past fall and she had been a candidate for two years. The only reason she didn’t enter sooner is because she was urged to finish college since she had it all paid for (really good financial aid). Unless it worked where you didn’t have to pay for your school, it might be a good idea to wait. I know with the Religious Sisters of Mercy in Alma, they pay for whatever school they want you to have. It’s the same in many other orders as well. They train you for the apostolate.

Something to think about. God bless. 😉
 
Have you heard of the Hawthorne Dominicans? They have a ministry as a nursing order to terminally ill patients. I’m not sure how ‘medical’ it really is. But you could check it out. I know they have a house in Kenya.

-Rob
Thanks Rob. I’ll give it a look. I’ve always sort of admired Dominicans. I think I have actually heard of the Hawthorne Dominicans. I’ll have to do some research on them while I’m discerning. Thanks for the recommendation. 😃
 
I think that it’s a little tricky to explore or join an order with the expectation that they will train you in your chosen medical field. Your application may sound opportunistic. Usually you join the order–to join the order, to live its version of religious life. For all Benedictines, the first vow is obedience and this vow is included in all vows taken, no matter what the order. So even if the order were in health care, it might have to give this up according to circumstances, and the members of the order are expected to go along with the decision according to the governing body or majority vote, depending on the governance of the community. It is very expensive to train a member in a medical career, and as I stated before, unlikely to start before temporary vows are taken.
 
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