Sacrilege Against the Holy Eucharist!

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misericordie:
AMEN!!! Katolik! Finally, a well read Catholic. Good answer.
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Again everyone, now here is a Catholic with logic and force of argumentation.
A wonderful point, and I continue to applaud you katolik:clapping: .
 
Communion in the hand as an option is official teaching of the Church and was sanctioned by Pope John Paul 2. There have always been sacriliges against the Eucharist. Extraordinary ministers must be trained to be more vigilant,and to act if in doubt. Do remember that Jesus is God,and has the power to withdraw Himself from the Sacrament. He cannot be hurt by the ignorant or malevolent acts of humans.the Church teaches that the Divine Presence leaves the Host after a period of time, so, if the Hosts had been in the collection box(I have found them on the floor after Mass) for a sufficient passage of time, then they would have reverted to host.
 
Mysty101 said:
The Priest IS the “eucharistic minister” the correct term is Extraordinary minister of Holy Communion EMHC. If your going to slam us, please use the correct term.

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interestingly enough, that’s not quite correct. I found this the other day while browsing around on the web:
Glossary of Church Terms

Ministers of Communion: Those who assist in the distribution of communion.
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NOTE: The term “EXTRAORDINARY MINISTERS” is no longer used. It was changed to “SPECIAL MINISTERS”

usccb.org/comm/glossary.htm
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his glossary of Church terms was prepared for the 1987 visit of Pope John Paull II to the United States and revised for his visits in 1993, 1995 and 1999.

The terms are arranged in three categories:
From RS (2004)
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**1. The Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion
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** As has already been recalled, “the only minister who can confect the Sacrament of the Eucharist in persona Christi is a validly ordained Priest.”254 Hence the name “minister of the Eucharist” belongs properly to the Priest alone. Moreover, also by reason of their sacred Ordination, the ordinary ministers of Holy Communion are the Bishop, the Priest and the Deacon,255 to whom it belongs therefore to administer Holy Communion to the lay members of Christ’s faithful during the celebration of Mass. In this way their ministerial Office in the Church is fully and accurately brought to light, and the sign value of the Sacrament is made complete.
And also a bulletin from Aug 2003
usccb.org/liturgy/girm/lit4.shtml
Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion at Mass

I think The Liturgy Committee would use the correct title in their bulletin.
 
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maklavan:
Communion in the hand as an option is official teaching of the Church and was sanctioned by Pope John Paul 2. There have always been sacriliges against the Eucharist. Extraordinary ministers must be trained to be more vigilant,and to act if in doubt. Do remember that Jesus is God,and has the power to withdraw Himself from the Sacrament. He cannot be hurt by the ignorant or malevolent acts of humans.the Church teaches that the Divine Presence leaves the Host after a period of time, so, if the Hosts had been in the collection box(I have found them on the floor after Mass) for a sufficient passage of time, then they would have reverted to host.
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Okay all, here we go again: how funny: “sanctioned by POPE JPII.” Well, the current NORM is on the tongue, the OPTION is on the hand: by special indult*permission) for emample, in certain countries like Mexico , and Spain Communion in the hand is a no no.
 
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Mysty101:
From RS (2004)
And also a bulletin from Aug 2003
usccb.org/liturgy/girm/lit4.shtml
Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion at Mass

I think The Liturgy Committee would use the correct title in their bulletin.
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AMEN: BUT most don’t here in this diocese, most parishes continue saying ministers of the eucharist or eucharistic ministers regarding the laity in this job. The ONLY minister of Communion is the Bishop, priest or deacon, not even a nun.
 
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misericordie:
I think that’s what I said when i exhort any all catholics to write to their local Bishop not only when they see any form of liturgical novelty and abuse, but especially if any priest: young, old, religious order, or diocesan refuses to give them Communion on the tongue, or on the tongue and while they KNEEL(rome says On these basis, it is NOT sufficient reason to deny Holy Communion.
Long Live real Bishops such as Archbishop Raymond Burk of Saint Louis, and Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver, if only all USA Bishops were like them.
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I REPAT ALL MY FORMER STATEMENTS.
 
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misericordie:
AMEN: BUT most don’t here in this diocese, most parishes continue saying ministers of the eucharist or eucharistic ministers regarding the laity in this job. The ONLY minister of Communion is the Bishop, priest or deacon, not even a nun.
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Yes, you are correct on both points, but as long as I am needed at Mass or to visit the sick, I will serve.

PS you never visited the “sign of Peace” thread, which I opened especially for you.
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Mysty101:
Yes, you are correct on both points, but as long as I am needed at Mass or to visit the sick, I will serve.

PS you never visited the “sign of Peace” thread, which I opened especially for you.
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First, i am flattered you opened a “thread” just for me. Secondly as regards “I will continue to serve when I am needed” I would take it to mean that the priests in your parish are either very elderly, sick, or just plane old lazy if they leave the giving communion to the laity. Some are lazy we must admitt.
 
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misericordie:
First, i am flattered you opened a “thread” just for me. Secondly as regards “I will continue to serve when I am needed” I would take it to mean that the priests in your parish are either very elderly, sick, or just plane old lazy if they leave the giving communion to the laity. Some are lazy we must admitt.
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Well why don’t you visit it, rather than persisting in the Communion thread?
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Our parish does need EMHC to keep the Masses (8 per weekend) on schedule. God will judge whether or not a priest is lazy—I just do what I am told.
 
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Mysty101:
Well why don’t you visit it, rather than persisting in the Communion thread?
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Our parish does need EMHC to keep the Masses (8 per weekend) on schedule. God will judge whether or not a priest is lazy—I just do what I am told.
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awwwwwwww your temper tantrum again: remember, “reason and the will over the passions”(St. Thomas Aquinas: Summa Theolgiae).:tiphat:
 
PS Sorry—you post is on topic here, but you brought up the new thread which deos refer to the sign of peace.
 
hey, can you guys carry on your personal two-way conversation in the PM function. another hi-jacked thread, knock this one off my list.
 
I saw it this morning, at a certain parish in Manhattan: New York City (in the boundaries of the Archdiocese of New York, i.e.: the parish) a woman went to “take” communion on her HAND, she proceeded to the PEW still looking at the host and rubbing it as if a good luck charm. HOWEVER, this DIOCESAN priest with courage and ZEAL!! Stopped distributing, sent the altar boy to get the woman, father went to her, (she was holding the host out still on her hand, but about to enter the pew), he KNELT!!! in front of the woman, (in a genuflection) quickly got up, and took the communion from the woman’s hand, and placed it into the Ciborium from which he was originally distributing, he is a diocesan PASTOR, excellent REAL priest!!! This time, the person who intended to commit sacrilige of the host and profane it, did NOT win. But, I wonder how very FEW! Priest are as loving of Christ in the Eucharist as that priest who must be in his middle 40’s? HURRAY FATHER!!! I hope he will be elevated to a Mons. However, that may be wishful thinking in the afformentioned Archdiocese.😦
 
I think this would probably count as desecrating the Eucharist. One is supposed to consume the Host immediately (unless, of course, they are taking it to the sick and then it must be in a proper carrying container). The priest would be more than correct to take it away and not give the person another.
 
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bear06:
I think this would probably count as desecrating the Eucharist. One is supposed to consume the Host immediately (unless, of course, they are taking it to the sick and then it must be in a proper carrying container). The priest would be more than correct to take it away and not give the person another.
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I actually cannot beleive it!!! We do agree on ONE thing.
 
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misericordie:
With all due respect, you seem to be pretty hung up yourself against one thing: ROMAN CATHOLIC TRADITION. I wonder why Saint Thomas Aquinas would say in his Summa: “Nothing but the CONSECRATED hands of the Priest are to touch the consecrated species.” It seems you are overly confident in “eucharistic ministers” oh wait, as the Vatican recomends: they are NOT to be called that, they are to be called: “EXTRAORDINARY ministers of Communion.” I wonder why to in the 40 years there has been a decreasing belief in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, a decline in priestly ordinations, nuns who have kikked the habit, scandals of all sorts, dancing, clown, teen, jazz “masses” etc?? Are we a bit TOO optimistic that ALL is so fine and hay okay? Well, i should hope not, that would be a false perception. I wonder too why so many young adults, and others are going in masses to the Roman Tridentine latin mass on Sundays? I wonder why people are frustrated with so much liturgical abuse, and some are still not convinced that there is ever any profanation of the Eucharist, despite the fact that so many pastors are giving examples of eucharists thrown under the pews, of kids taking communion in the hand, then sharing it, of communions mixed with chewing gum stuck under the pews as is the case in my father’s parish? Well, of course, all is fine right? No problem the BEST way to recieve communion is on the hand. WRONG, the NORM IS ON THE TONGUE, the option (not in most parts of the Catholic world) is on the hand.
As for me: since i have a RIGHT to express my views in these mishapped liturgical practices: I repeat: One more reason to return to the Canonical right of recieving Christ on the tongue, and YES! By the way, we have the RIGHT TOO of even KNEELING if we so chosse. As one canon lawyer friend told me: “oh boy, woe to the priest who denies Communion to anyone on the basis of their kneeling to recieve, and on the tongue, he would suffer severe canonical penalties.”😉
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Give me a break. Your beef is not with me. I said EM stands for “Eucharistic Minister.” I was refering to the post I quoted. I know we have a right to kneel, recieve on the tongue, only go to a priest, etc. My point was that recieving the eucharist from an EM (Extraordinary Minister) in the hand while standing is *legitimate. *If Rome allows Bishops to allow this, why the vituperation?

Also, Aquinas, despite his incalculable influence on Catholic Tradition, does not equal Tradition. I have nothing but love and admiration for Aquinas (he’s my patron) but the your quotation has a historical and personal context you conveniently ignore. “Nothing but the CONSECRATED hands of the Priest are to touch the consecrated species” can be applied to the practices of many dioceses today. However, it would be wrong to assume from that that it applies to my diocese.

JP
 
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