Sadomasochism

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I apologize for the long post. I have an unusual problem that is difficult for me to understand, much less explain. I hope that in my explanation I do not offend anyone.

I am a 20-year-old heterosexual female with sadomasochistic tendencies. I want to make it clear that I do not act out on these tendencies: I have no desire to either directly or indirectly hurt others through my words or my actions. Nor do I deliberately fantasize about hurting others.

My problem is that I enjoy seeing a person – in real life or in a piece of fiction – who is emotionally or physically suffering. I don’t actively seek this suffering out in order to enjoy it, but human suffering is everywhere and just about impossible to avoid.

This has turned into a great source of confusion for me. I know that it is clearly wrong to be sexually aroused by this sort of enjoyment, but I am less clear about the non-sexual aspect of my enjoyment. I would venture that it is very wrong to even non-sexually enjoy seeing someone being tortured or in great physical pain, but am reluctant to consider it wrong to similarly enjoy sad or tragic stories like Brideshead Revisited or Hamlet.

Moreover, this condition has made it often difficult for me to determine when I am sexually aroused by something because it has become virtually impossible for me to distinguish between my sexual and non-sexual enjoyment of anything.

I am so confused about whether anything I do – watching TV or movies, reading books, reading the newspaper, or even visiting the sick at the hospital – is just an avoidable near occasion of sin. I deliberately avoid movies I know that are just “torture porn,” but I have a difficult time deciding whether I should also avoid movies where someone is just minorly injured or merely grieving over the death of a loved one. If that is the case – that I should avoid those as well – it would seem I would have to also avoid several religious books in the process!

I do not often give into my temptations (or, at least, when they are clearly wrong), but I am often disgusted that it is a temptation to begin with. It has made me so scrupulous that I am afraid to even give into self-pity. I don’t know whether it’s okay to even enjoy feeling sad!

I realize that this is more than likely an inappropriate forum to discuss these matters. I have spoken to a priest about this, but I became disheartened by how disturbed he looked and what seemed like a general lack of understanding, and have no desire to go back. I am reluctant to go “priest-shopping,” because I can’t handle the idea of introducing this problem to another stranger.

I would go to a psychologist, but living in a small city has limited my choice of therapists to those who have little to zero experience dealing with sexual deviance. Moreover, I would imagine it would be next to impossible to find one willing to work out a therapy system consistent with my Catholic beliefs.

This whole situation has resulted in me becoming very bitter about my Catholic background. I don’t understand how anyone born with my condition could have any hope of overcoming it and have any chance of going to Heaven. I have been skipping out on communion because I feel this condition is causing me to constantly sin. I have not gone to confession since I spoke to the priest about my condition three weeks ago – because I don’t want to go back to him and I am not eager to immediately discuss my condition with yet another person who is unlikely to understand.

I really could use some advice on how to deal with this, because my current coping strategy is clearly not working. In fact, ever since I spoke to the priest about it, I feel my problem has gotten worse. I have lost my ability to draw the line between what is right and what is wrong in regards to this situation.
 
My dear sister, I have no words of advice to you but I’m certain that other wiser posters will. I can only offer my prayers for you that you will find peace in the arms of Christ. If you are uncomfortable confessing repeatedly to different people, perhaps your parish priest can suggest someone who can act as a spiritual director for you. I will keep you in my intentions this week.

With love,
jazzbaby1
 
I recommend discussing the situation with a priest. God bless you and bring you His help.
 
Dear Sister in Christ,
I’m so sorry for your pain and your torment. You are describing something that requires inner healing from a past trauma. You may not realize it, but somehow your subconscience has been suppressing a very painful memory that is causing you to suffer in this way. If you can find a book by a Catholic with a healing ministry, (Leanne Payne, Fr.Benedict Groechel) or better yet, find out if there are any healing ministries or Masses in your area, and get prayed over.It may take some searching, but even if you have to drive a little distance, it can make a huge impact on your life for the good. You may also want to find a priest with a special ministry in deliverance and frequent the Sacrament of Reconciliation (ask to be annointed, too) with one who is experienced in this area. Remember that this may involve some perseverance on your part, so please try and pray at least one decade of the Holy Rosary every day as you seek wisdom and guidance. Remember the tender mercy of God for your precious soul! YOU ARE LOVED!
I am praying for you, dear one.
Peace be with you.
 
You are posting your questions on the internet. You know that you are likely to get advice from well meaning people who do not know what they are talking about. I am one of them.

I am thinking that the condition that you are describing may or may not be serious. It is totally a matter of degree. I believe that all of us have had some degree of perverse pleasure from seeing others suffer. Car accidents come to mind. Many people are excited by a small amount of pain and either giving or taking control during sex. However, I doubt that you’ll find much discussion about that on a Catholic bulletin board.

If your feelings are in the normal range, then the problem is more that you are feeling extreme guilt for something that is is normal. In my way of thinking, my feelings are not really within my control. My thoughts are mine. The feelings come from somewhere else. When my thoughts and my feelings are the same, then I call that peace or serenity. The way that I try to achieve that is by asking God to take my will. Once I admit that I am unable to control my “heart” and let God have it, He will. That eighteen inches between my head and heart can only traveled with God’s help.

If your feelings are outside of the normal range, it is called psychopathy. There are different levels of this disorder and treatments vary. It is generally considered to be a genetic disorder.

In my limited experience, I think that there are both physical and spiritual causes for psychopathy. The two are not mutually exclusive. While everyone may be considered psychopathic to some degree, the problem can be worsened by demons. Satan and his minions will attack a weakness. Once they find it, they can basically attach themselves and cause a small problem to become greater. It is still a problem of the will not coinciding with the thoughts, but, the will is influenced by strong negative forces.

If you decide to attack your problem from the spiritual side, you will find much advice. The first thing that I recommend is stop taking drugs or alcohol. These will weaken you tremendously. If they are not an issue, then prayer and the sacraments are next. Prayer warriors can be very helpful. I am going to mention “Soul Ties”. I bring them up because it is not a Catholic concept. It is more or less a Charismatic thing. Look it up. I know someone who was helped by breaking soul ties.
 
You are posting your questions on the internet. You know that you are likely to get advice from well meaning people who do not know what they are talking about. I am one of them.
Very good way to begin your post. 🙂

I do recommend consulting a priest, preferably a good and compassionate spiritual director, and a mental health professional. These will be people with whom you can have a more in-depth and ongoing dialogue and who, we hope, will be able to address your needs with the care and expertise they truly deserve.

In the meantime, I will pray for you. Please pray for us too. 🙂
 
My problem is that I enjoy seeing a person – in real life or in a piece of fiction – who is emotionally or physically suffering. I don’t actively seek this suffering out in order to enjoy it, but human suffering is everywhere and just about impossible to avoid.
It seems to me like you are overanalyzing yourself.

Most people are this way to some extent. Look at how saturated movies and games are with violence, people have even posted and watched terrorist beheading videos. Look at how people flock to the TV to view footage of natural disasters like Katrina and Haiti.

If there is an accident on the side of the road and people are driving by, they are going to look. Look at human history, with public executions, tortures, gladiators fighting to the death in the area with people watching and cheering, boxing matches today, ultimate fighting championship and so on.

I would seriously ask yourself whether you might be overanalyzing and categorizing yourself as having an evil nature when in fact many, if not most people have these tendencies.

It sounds to me like you might be struggling with the OCD/anxiety scrupulosity in general, and maybe you need to see a mental health professional for that. As someone who has struggled with scrupulosity in the past, I can tell you that medication can make a world of difference, and essentially make you nearly “normal.”
 
I think the most anybody can or should do on these forums is offer prayers for you and encourage you to pray and try to practice your faith. I think your problems are too serious to be addressed by anyone here, and probably wouldn’t be understood by your average priest, either, who would not be trained in this area. I think you should consider seeking professional help, even if you have to drive to a larger city to get it. If you are serious about wanting to overcome this problem and achieve a healthy state of mind, you will make the necessary sacrifices to do it, rather than continue to be miserable. I think most priests and spiritual directors would steer you in that direction. The Catholic Church is not opposed to seeking psychiatric help when it is needed.
 
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