Saint Benedict Press RSV-CE

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I received my St Benedict press RSV-CE yesterday. Upon reviewing it, I am thoroughly happy with it. The soft leather cover, the print and red letters are great. I have no regrets in ordering it. Even though it does not have the cross-references, it does have a 3-year reading cycle, the maps, presentation page, family history stuff, and some art work. The pages are sharp and crisp. 2 👍👍
 
Can someone who has the St Benedict Press RSV CE look up the following passages to see if they are rendered the same and if not please post how they are rendered?

Romans 5:5: “Holy Spirit who”
Luke 1:28: “Hail, full of grace”

Luke 1:34: “How shall this be”
John 19:5: “Behold, the man”
Matthew 19:5, 19:6, 1 Corinthians 6:16 “one flesh”, no footnote
Luke 23:42: “into your kingdom”

Isaiah 7:14: “young woman”
Psalm 8:5: “Yet thou hast made him little less than God”
Matthew 16:18: “powers of death”, footnote “gates of Hades”
Exodus 15:13: “steadfast love”

“semi” pronunciation marks on names.
 
jpy15026 said:
Can someone who has the St Benedict Press RSV CE look up the following passages to see if they are rendered the same and if not please post how they are rendered?

Romans 5:5: “Holy Spirit who”
Luke 1:28: “Hail, full of grace”

Luke 1:34: “How shall this be”
John 19:5: “Behold, the man”
Matthew 19:5, 19:6, 1 Corinthians 6:16 “one flesh”, no footnote
Luke 23:42: “into your kingdom”

Isaiah 7:14: “young woman”
Psalm 8:5: “Yet thou hast made him little less than God”
Matthew 16:18: “powers of death”, footnote “gates of Hades”
Exodus 15:13: “steadfast love”

“semi” pronunciation marks on names.
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I have the St Benedict Press RSV CE, hope this helps.

Romans 5:5: “Holy Spirit who” Same
Luke 1:28 “Hail, full of grace” Same
Luke 1:34: “how can this be”
John 19:5: “here the man”
Matthew 19:5, 19:6, 1 Corinthians 6:16 “one”
Luke 23:42: “when you come in your kingly power”

Isaiah 7:14: “young woman” Same
Psalm 8:5: “Yet thou hast made him little less than God” Same
Matthew 16:18: “powers of death”, footnote “gates of Hades” Same - no foot note
Exodus 15:13: “steadfast love” Same
 
WMSCOTT,

you posted John 19:5: “here the man”… Does it read “here is the man”

Also if you would be so kind,How are these rendered?

Mark 14.63: “tore his clothes”… or tore his garments?

Luke 6.12: “he went out to the hills to pray” …or he went out to the mountains to pray?

Acts 8:3 uppercase “Church” … or lower “c” in the word Church?

Ephesians 5.32 uppercase “Church”… or lower “c” in the word Church?

Does Galatians 4:27 read like this?
Galatians 4.27: “Rejoice, O barren one that does not bear; break forth and shout, you who are not with labor pains; for the desolate has more children than she who has a husband”

If not How does Galatians 4:27 read?

Thanks so much in advance,
John
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No problem, I will be able to get to it when I get home this evening.

Is there something specific you are looking for concerning the St Benedict press and another version? Just curious.
 
So, St. Benedict Press RSV-CE:

Original RSV-CE, RSV-CE based on the 1971 RSV like some of the Oxford RSV-CE’s, or something else? From that review it appears its the original RSV-CE.
 
Transformer said:
So, St. Benedict Press RSV-CE:

Original RSV-CE, RSV-CE based on the 1971 RSV like some of the Oxford RSV-CE’s, or something else? From that review it appears its the original RSV-CE.
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That’s what I’m trying to determine.So far it looks like its the 1965 RSV first CE edition (The Ignatius Bible First Edition)
 
wmscott said:
No problem, I will be able to get to it when I get home this evening.

Is there something specific you are looking for concerning the St Benedict press and another version? Just curious.
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Just trying to determine which RSV CE it is based on,from what you gave me so far it looks like its the 1965 RSV first CE edition (The Ignatius Bible First Edition)
These additional passages will help determine that more.

The clincher would be Galatians 4:27 If it reads like below it is the 1965 First Edition

Galatians 4:27
27 For it is written, “Rejoice, O barren one that dost not bear; break forth and shout, thou who art not in travail; for the desolate hath more children than she who hath a husband”

John
 
jpy15026 said:
Just trying to determine which RSV CE it is based on,from what you gave me so far it looks like its the 1965 RSV first CE edition (The Ignatius Bible First Edition)
These additional passages will help determine that more.

The clincher would be Galatians 4:27 If it reads like below it is the 1965 First Edition

Galatians 4:27
27 For it is written, “Rejoice, O barren one that dost not bear; break forth and shout, thou who art not in travail; for the desolate hath more children than she who hath a husband”

John
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OK, I will get it to you as soon as possible. By the way are there issues with the 1965 RSV?
 
I will be interested in seeing how this turns out. In the review referenced in post #42 a note from the publicist states that cross references were not included because it was not clear who owned them. I’m not sure that I totally ‘buy’ this explanation. Cross references were included in the original RSV-CE (1966 edition).

Meanwhile, as you all may know, the combination of Oxford University Press and Ignatius have put out various RSV-CE versions. The original compact editions mixed a 1971 New Testament with the ‘Catholic’ changes in the original RSV-CE. Later, in their Reader’s version, Oxford tried to go back to the original text…but didn’t quite catch all the changes needed to revert to the original. Much of this is discussed in this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=91598&highlight=rsv-ce+needs+corrections

An output of this thread was this list of differences between the various RSV-CE versions: web.archive.org/web/20071218022237/http://umsis.miami.edu/~medmunds/RSVCEdiff.htm

Recently, the Oxford University Press/Ignatius ‘combo’ put out a large print Reader’s Edition. This edition had the lectionary of readings and the newly formatted RSV-CE text (presumably the 1966 first edition) with ‘new’ headers within the text (I’d be interested in knowing if they are not in fact the same headers now appearing in the RSV-CE Second Edition). This large print version also suffered from a lack of cross-references, as all Oxford University Press versions have.

From what I’ve seen, I suspect that the St. Benedict Press version may be using this same reformatted text, just in different or smaller font, as the large print versions. That would provide a very simple explanation as to why cross references were not included in the St. Benedict Press version. Interestingly enough, the text headers were not present in the original RSV-CE version (1966), but the cross-references were…so why include the headers but not the cross-references? I guess for me I’d place more importance on being faithful to the original 1966 RSV-CE rather than whatever text the National Council of Churches is currently using.

I wish I knew how this all really works. For instance, are these new bible editions all using the same ‘electronic’ version of 1966 RSV-CE text that has had to be re-created, or are they all really going back to the NCC version and starting from there?

And is this one reason why Ignatius developed their 2nd RSV-CE edition…so that they could be ‘free’ from the original NCC text in some ‘legal’ way?

rocketrob
 
jpy15026 said:
WMSCOTT,

you posted John 19:5: “here the man”… Does it read “here is the man”

Also if you would be so kind,How are these rendered?

Mark 14.63: “tore his clothes”… or tore his garments?

Luke 6.12: “he went out to the hills to pray” …or he went out to the mountains to pray?

Acts 8:3 uppercase “Church” … or lower “c” in the word Church?

Ephesians 5.32 uppercase “Church”… or lower “c” in the word Church?

Does Galatians 4:27 read like this?
Galatians 4.27: “Rejoice, O barren one that does not bear; break forth and shout, you who are not with labor pains; for the desolate has more children than she who has a husband”

If not How does Galatians 4:27 read?

Thanks so much in advance,
John
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John 19:5: “here the man”… Does it read “here is the man”
Response: “Here is the man!”

Mark 14.63: “tore his clothes”… or tore his garments?
Response: “tore his mantle”

Luke 6.12: “he went out to the hills to pray” …or he went out to the mountains to pray?
Response: “into the hills”

Acts 8:3 uppercase “Church” … or lower “c” in the word Church? Response: lower case “c”

Ephesians 5.32 uppercase “Church”… or lower “c” in the word Church?
Response: lower case “c”

Does Galatians 4:27 read like this?
Galatians 4.27: “Rejoice, O barren one that does not bear; break forth and shout, you who are not with labor pains; for the desolate has more children than she who has a husband”
Response:“Rejoice, O barren one that does not bear; break forth and shout, thou who art not in travail; for the desolate hath more children than she who hath a husband”
 
wmscott said:
Mark 14.63: “tore his clothes”… or tore his garments?
Response: “tore his mantle”

Luke 6.12: “he went out to the hills to pray” …or he went out to the mountains to pray? **
Response:** “into the hills”

Does Galatians 4:27 read like this?
Galatians 4.27: “Rejoice, O barren one that does not bear; break forth and shout, you who are not with labor pains; for the desolate has more children than she who has a husband”
Response:“Rejoice, O barren one that does not bear; break forth and shout, thou who art not in travail; for the desolate hath more children than she who hath a husband”
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Well based on these three verses it’s a fact that this is the 1965 RSV (Ignatius first edition RSVCE)

The 1965 RSV CE was the *only *edition that used:
The word “mantle”
The word “into” (the hills)
and the Archaic language in Gal 4:27 (“Thou” who “art”, and the word “hath” )
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jpy15026 said:
Well based on these three verses it’s a fact that this is the 1965 RSV (Ignatius first edition RSVCE)

The 1965 RSV CE was the *only *edition that used:
The word “mantle”
The word “into” (the hills)
and the Archaic language in Gal 4:27 (“Thou” who “art”, and the word “hath” )
.
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So what is your summation? are these issues?
 
wmscott said:
So what is your summation? are these issues?
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I have the Oxford Press / Scepter Compact “Hybrid” that seems to have the best of all the RSV / RSV CE’s in one .They would be “collectors editions” now since they were “accidentally” published only for a brief time in 2005.These have '71 RSV w/ '65 CE revisions and also some additional uniquely “Catholic” revisions to this edition.All this is shown in our research that we did in the link below

web.archive.org/web/20071218022237/http://umsis.miami.edu/~medmunds/RSVCEdiff.htm

Wikipedia explains the “history” of the RSV CE

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revised_Standard_Version_Catholic_Edition
 
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