Saint gregory - five year old in hell

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It’s to be confirmed into the Church. But the age of discretion is typically around 7 to start receiving the sacraments. It’s entirely possible for even a child of 5 to commit mortal sin because not everyone’s the same. Some are smarter, some are more advanced.
 
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I HAVE read this article, but it put me between a
rock and a hard place, since I sinned almost daily!
Until I related to a Bible study group of my fear…
You know what the leader told me? Jesus said to
forgive seventy TIMES seven that is seventy RAISED
to the SEVENTH power, that’s more than 3 trillion times!!
You can never out-sin God’s mercy, it is infinite and
everlasting, be consoled by that FACT!!
 
The point of Confirmation is receive an outpouring of the Holy Spirit (like on Pentecost) and the strength to publicly profess the faith of Christ.

More here:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c1a2.htm

Confirmation can be received at the age of reason, like the Eucharist. Under previously discipline, the Eucharist couldn’t be received until around 14 and so Confirmation was given then as well (Confirmation should precede first Holy Communion, but it’s not done that way everywhere).
 
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JamalChristophr said:
Simon, I would highly recommend you get a copy of :

St. Faustina’s Diary, Divine Mercy in My Soul,

It will show you what Jesus, and His Church, really teaches about Sin, Justice, and most of all, God’s Mercy.

Reading this will encourage you and give you the beautiful hope you can carry in your soul of the great mercy of God.
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Amen. I can’t recommend this book enough.
 
Do yourself a favor and stay away from the likes of Church Militant.
 
The hope to repent and sin no more, doing good in Jesus’ Name!

So let’s be invigorated to live a life worth living!

(btw his thesis seems heretical, but I don’t see anything wrong with the vision. God is the Judge and not me, so He knows the depths of the sins and the ability of the person. I suppose in a sense, the number of sins over the allotted limit is one more than our last repentance, in a sense).

Can be frightening stuff, let us pray for each other.
 
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You must be a SIGHT to behold…
 
simonjosiah1 said:
During an apparition with our lady…

saint Gregory relates that a child of five years, who had arrived at the use of reason, for having uttered a blasphemy, was seized by the devil and carried to Hell. The Divine Mother revealed to that great servant of God, Benedicta of Florence, that a boy of 12 years was damned after the first sin. Another boy of eight years died after his first sin and was lost. You say: I am young: there are many who have committed more sins than I have. But is God on that account obliged to wait for your repentance if you offend Him? In the gospel of St. Matthew (xxi. 19) we read that the Savior cursed a fig tree the first time He saw it without fruit. “May no fruit grow on thee henceforward forever. And immediately the fig tree withered away.” You must, then, tremble at the thought of committing a single mortal sin, particularly if you have already been guilty of mortal sins.

what hope have we got
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Well, first, we also have to remember that God knows what a child would do if the child grew up to adulthood. God knows what’s in our hearts.

Second, while extremely rare, there are some kids who truly have evil in their hearts. And those visions didn’t say there are TONS of kids in hell. They referenced very specific ones.

I pray this helps.

God bless.
 
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A five year old in hell. Yet a grown man, a thief all his life, could simply ask Christ for a remembrance, and heaven was his. I have trouble reconciling the two. Anyone else with me?
 
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I am.

For the life of me, I don’t see why people even read private revelations, let alone allow themselves to be guided by them, instead of the Church. Have they mastered what the Church asks of us to the point they need something else to occupy their time? It’s really sad to see faithful Catholics with good intentions having their peace stolen from them or even being led astray by these private revelations that often have things contrary from what Christ told us in the Scriptures or by what Holy Mother Church has taught.
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Couldn’t agree more. I think a lot of Catholics really don’t understand Church “approval” of private revelation. “Approval” as I’m sure you understand, means there is nothing contrary to the deposit of faith. It doesn’t mean the revelation is true and needs be accepted as fact It does amaze me too that so many people get into mental gymnastics over things that don’t really add anything to what Christ taught us and left us in our Mass and our other sacraments.
Shalom.
 
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TheOldColonel said:
So God damns children to Hell for sins they never had a chance to commit? Is that your reasoning? Doesn’t make God sound very good or just or merciful, does it? I wonder how God feels about people who paint Him in such a bad light.
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That’s not really what I said. I said God knows what we would have done.

My main point is that while EXTREMELY RARE, there are some kids (currently alive and from centuries past) who really have evil in their hearts.
 
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joeybaggz said:
I think a lot of Catholics really don’t understand Church “approval” of private revelation. “Approval” as I’m sure you understand, means there is nothing contrary to the deposit of faith. It doesn’t mean the revelation is true and needs be accepted as fact
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Agreed. Sometimes, people who receive visions are shown what THEY need to see or need to hear for their personal salvation or for their mission.
 
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TheOldColonel said:
If the sins were never committed because they never lived long enough to commit them, then how could the children be damned to Hell. Isn’t that what you were implying?
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Forget it… I’m not going to argue the temporal mechanics of alternate timelines with you. Potential/alternate futures was NOT my point.

My point was: While EXTREMELY RARE, some kids do have evil in their hearts.
 
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TheOldColonel said:
Ok. But I think your comment was bordering on the Calvinist doctrine of Predestination. That’s some wild stuff, soldier!
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No, not Calvinist. Calvinists have what’s called “double predestination” which is condemned by the Catholic Church.

However, the Catholic Church does accept two possible kinds of predestination:
  1. Single Predestination (Thomism Predestination) clarified by St. Thomas Aquinas
  2. Conditional Predestination (Molinism) clarified by Jesuit theologian Luis de Molina (1535-1600).
My answer is in line with Single Predestination by St Thomas, which says that God predestines some people who would normally be bound for hell to Heaven based what they would have done in a possible future. So for the kids in hell, when God looked into their futures, He didn’t see anything to make them worthy of being predestined to Heaven. Therefore, their own actions caused them to go to Hell and God did not intervene to change their fate.
 
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