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I watched a film about Saint Paul’s life recently and it was good to watch but there were a few things i dont know if they are the way they are told.For example: The Jewish preist Ruben,his wife spat on his face after he tried killing Saint Paul. Is not a wife meant to honour her husband?How is this honour. I got a shock watching this film. I did not think wives or women in biblical times acted in that vulgar ways.From the start Ruben’s wife looked like she had a thing for Saint Paul and she even said she did not love Ruben but still married him:eek:
In the film It looked like Saint Paul was interested in romantic ways with Ruben’s wife:eek:
I never thought of this happening in bibical times.Werent women and men suppose to have more honour than this??? Is this not a immoral teaching of men and women!!!🤷
can someone give me there insight here please.Thank you.If iam wrong i wait to be corrected,
catholicsaint.🙂
 
Why would Ruben marry such a women who would be a liabilty and go running to Saint Paul,when it is her duty by God to love and hounor her husband and visa versa.

I could’nt believe he married her. And Ruben’s wife was meant to have a like for Jesus?

What utter **** and nonsense.
Jesus certainly would not like Ruben’s wives actions.
I nearly got sick watching film about the life of Saint Paul after the cruxification.
i hope some of that film was fiction invented by holywood:thumbsup:👍
 
I allways had the understanding that in biblical times there was allways one man for one women and this girlfreind snatching bussiness or wife snatching bussiness was left to the 20TH centery generation.It just does’nt fit right in biblical times,men doing that or women doing the other.👍🤷🤷😦
 
The lesson here’s that you shouldn’t expect everything you see on screen to be factual/historically accurate/true, whichever of those. 😉 BTW I haven’t seen the film. Could you please give the title?
 
At the end of the film…Ruben’s wife still went to Saint Paul,and then her husband died by some roman soilder with a sword.I think she should of being with her husband or she should not of married him.I allways thought husband and wife are suppose to be loyal to one another in everything.If Ruben’s wife did not want to be a christian,why then did she marry one???
 
patrick457,

Correct in every way.It just annoys me that something so serious as life as it is can be exposed by some idiot film director:mad:
 
Patrick457,

Sorry yeah the title of that film i saw was , the life of Saint Paul after the cruxification of jesus.

Just put that in youtube and search and you will see film.

ill get exact title in a while and ill post it up,

Thank you patrick357 for answering my question.
 
I watched a film about Saint Paul’s life recently and it was good to watch but there were a few things i dont know if they are the way they are told.
This is to be expected in films…
For example: The Jewish preist Ruben,his wife spat on his face after he tried killing Saint Paul. Is not a wife meant to honour her husband?How is this honour.
I agree - this does not seem likely in that day and culture.
I got a shock watching this film. I did not think wives or women in biblical times acted in that vulgar ways.
Well…in the broad and general sense, I guess that people in those days ran the spectrum just as they do today…
From the start Ruben’s wife looked like she had a thing for Saint Paul and she even said she did not love Ruben but still married him:eek:
As I understand it, in those days, indeed for much of history, people did not marry for “Love”. Marriages were most often arranged.
In the film It looked like Saint Paul was interested in romantic ways with Ruben’s wife:eek:
“looked like” is always subjective…🤷
I never thought of this happening in bibical times.Werent women and men suppose to have more honour than this??? Is this not a immoral teaching of men and women!!!🤷
In biblical times there were prostitutes, divorce, and adultery - each of which is commented on in the Gospels - Sounds pretty much like today in many ways…
can someone give me there insight here please.Thank you.If iam wrong i wait to be corrected,
catholicsaint.🙂
Without watching the film, I can’t say too much other than you might have read too much into some parts of the film…AND-OR…the filmmakers got too far off track with their “artistic license”…

Peace
James
 
JRKH,

Thank you for answer,

Of course there were arranged marriages that is correct.But i would say there were more people that stuck too religious rules, than of the people of mine and your generation.

For example in Saint Paul’s time you would not meet a guy in a night club and have a one night stand and have a baby. You would be stoned to death:eek:

In Saint Paul’s time you not flirt with lots of men to get there attention.You would be stoned to death maybe.

Ahh yeah i know there was pro’s and other scum like that then aswell as today’s generation.:mad:
But all in all , people in biblical times lead cleaner lives and more spiritual.

Correct me if iam wrong.But i allways thought this:thumbsup:
 
JRKH,

Thank you for answer,

Of course there were arranged marriages that is correct.But i would say there were more people that stuck too religious rules, than of the people of mine and your generation.

For example in Saint Paul’s time you would not meet a guy in a night club and have a one night stand and have a baby. You would be stoned to death:eek:

In Saint Paul’s time you not flirt with lots of men to get there attention.You would be stoned to death maybe.

Ahh yeah i know there was pro’s and other scum like that then as well as today’s generation.:mad:
But all in all , people in biblical times lead cleaner lives and more spiritual.

Correct me if i am wrong.But i always thought this:thumbsup:
Well - I cannot correct you as I did not live in that time, but the general impression I get from the Gospels is that people were not necessarily more “spiritual”. Certainly there was a more widespread belief in some form of “god” - but then too there was a wider selection of gods to believe in.
But even among the Jews who believed in the one True God, there was a wide range of behavior. Adherence to the Laws (exterior compliance) so as not to get stoned, certainly does not translate into greater interior holiness.

Peace
James
 
I allways had the understanding that in biblical times there was allways one man for one women and this girlfreind snatching bussiness or wife snatching bussiness was left to the 20TH centery generation.It just does’nt fit right in biblical times,men doing that or women doing the other.👍🤷🤷😦
If adultery wasn’t a common practice there would be no need to condemn it.
 
I think the movie you watched is this imdb.com/title/tt0270621/, I watched it on TV not so long ago, that’s the only movie about St. Paul that I can remember that fits the description. Was Reuben’s wife called Dinah? She’s pretty much a fictional character. 😃
The screen writers created a plot in which there’s an implicit romance between St. Paul and Dinah.
My question, however, would be another… do ou think there was something between St. Paul and St. Thecla?
 
It has to be fictional about st.Paul’s encounter with her. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I do not recollect any love story about st.Paul in the bible.

If I may, without stepping on anyone’s toes, save yourself a lot of grief going to biblical movies which never get things right and add all sorts of things to make money.

In addition, they just make it difficult for us to remember after seeing one of these what is truth and what is fiction. It gets blurry and confuses what we know about our faith. Not to mention that it is insulting in many cases.

Just a thought.
 
minichibi …

Yeah it certainly looked like hollywood rubbish.

Yeah dinha was his wife and that link you sent was the exact film i watch on youtube. Correct.

That film was insulting to me. The movie producers of that film should be ashamed. But i bet you anything they are athiests pagans.They attack something they will not leave alone.

When i saw Ruben’s wife too close to Saint Paul and Rubens wife spitting at Ruben,the buck dropped for me. No way that could of happened in biblical times. Sure it would not of happened in 1910’s nor would of happened in 1930’s. 🤷

If they made it right like what they should of done maybe more christian’s would of purchased the film.:rolleyes:
 
Re: Saint Paul-question

It has to be fictional about st.Paul’s encounter with her. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I do not recollect any love story about st.Paul in the bible.

If I may, without stepping on anyone’s toes, save yourself a lot of grief going to biblical movies which never get things right and add all sorts of things to make money.

In addition, they just make it difficult for us to remember after seeing one of these what is truth and what is fiction. It gets blurry and confuses what we know about our faith. Not to mention that it is insulting in many cases.

Just a thought.​

Fred conty , you are right there.I will stay away from films as such.At the end of the day i watch film’s like these for actual truth and accuracy in detail in dept.And if i dont get that i mise well look at paint dry on the wall.Because lies are lies.The producers know if they dont put things like, lust in that it will appeal to only small amount of people.
Fred , can you tell me of any biblical film’s you watched that maybe are accurate and that would be safe to watch??
 
minichibi

Re: Saint Paul-question

I think the movie you watched is this imdb.com/title/tt0270621/, I watched it on TV not so long ago, that’s the only movie about St. Paul that I can remember that fits the description. Was Reuben’s wife called Dinah? She’s pretty much a fictional character.
The screen writers created a plot in which there’s an implicit romance between St. Paul and Dinah.
My question, however, would be another… do ou think there was something between St. Paul and St. Thecla?​

Minichibi , i dont know if there was anything between St. Thecla and St.Paul??
Let me watch film again.I did not really notice her as such. My husband told me that all the women in that film are nice to look at:rolleyes: lol.
I must watch that film again to see if there was anything between them.I will let you know what i think after i watch the film again minichibi!!👍
 
It has to be fictional about st.Paul’s encounter with her. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I do not recollect any love story about st.Paul in the bible.

If I may, without stepping on anyone’s toes, save yourself a lot of grief going to biblical movies which never get things right and add all sorts of things to make money.

In addition, they just make it difficult for us to remember after seeing one of these what is truth and what is fiction. It gets blurry and confuses what we know about our faith. Not to mention that it is insulting in many cases.

Just a thought.
“Add all sorts of things to make money.” So does that mean that when Peter Jackson filmed The Lord of the Rings and made those changes and omissions he made it simply for the $$$? I don’t think so. The thing is, when adapting something to another medium, changes and additions are bound to happen. What may work in a book may not work as well in a film.

In the case of the New Testament, let’s face it: much of it is simply unfilmable as they are. They don’t give us character traits, they don’t describe what this person looked like or what he or she was thinking. This is true especially in the case of the gospels, which of course have some divergence with each other. The scholar E.P. Sanders once said this (a favorite quote of mine, actually):

The synoptic gospels lack most of the things that we now expect in the story of someone’s life. Looks, personality, character - we know very little. When it comes to the other figures besides Jesus, we are really in the dark. Pilate, curiously, is given touches of character by Matthew and John, but for the most part the other actors are very flat. Peter, we learn, was a little wishy-washy. What was John like? James? We do not know. What about the Pharisees? They appear in a group, denounce Jesus, sometimes are denounced in turn, and disappear. What were they up to? Were they all equally hostile towards Jesus? Where did they go when they disappeared? If they thought that Jesus’ disciples were breaking the sabbath law (Mark 2.24), why did they not lay a charge by reporting them to a priest (who might have fined them by requiring that each bring a sin offering, two birds, when next in Jerusalem)?
Many readers today do not realize how episodic the synoptic gospels are, since Christians have had almost 2000 years to build up a more novelistic view of the events and people in the gospels. Books have been written, movies made, explanations offered. On Sundays numerous priests, pastors and teachers retell some aspect of the gospel account, adding personality and motive. Judas, the disciple who betrayed Jesus, is often depicted as a frustrated zealot who wanted Jesus to lead a revolution, who thought of himself as a great man in Jesus’ kingdom, and who was bitterly angry when he learned that Jesus wanted another sort of kingdom. This gives the story colour and drama. There is nothing in the gospels about Judas’ ambitions at all. Perhaps he realized that Jesus was a marked man and decided to get out when he still could, while also making a profit. One guess is as good as another. Similarly Mary Magdalene has appealed enormously to people who have imagined all sorts of romantic things about her: she had been a prostitute, she was beautiful, she was in love with Jesus, she fled to France carrying his child. For all we know, on the basis of our sources, she was eighty-six, childless, and keen to mother unkempt young men.
 
@Patrick, Thank you for your response and your dissagreement. You gave me the opportunity to really speak what is on my mind. What I am saying is not against you, you have your right to say what you want. Rather this is sort of a “Luther’s statement” nailed on the church door so everyone can see it. So I do not want you to think I am picking on you tho I do use some of your reply in my statement.

Hollywood will “Add all sorts of things to make money.” That is the truth.

St. Paul would not be described as a lover in the bible except in terms of loving God. He is dedicated and on fire for God. I think it is detracting from his role to put things into his life that aren’t there. Not only that, but some people who are not acquainted with the bible will get the wrong impressions.

In my opinion, hollywood is not the place to get the truth in the bible and should be avoided.
I believe Jesus said “don’t throw pearls to the swine…”, and in the context it was written he was saying do not expose your faith to those who will ridicule it since they do not value it.
Throwing our faith to hollywood is the same thing, they don’t care and do not value it.

You mentioned a quote,
“Similarly Mary Magdalene has appealed enormously to people who have imagined all sorts of romantic things about her: she had been a prostitute, she was beautiful, she was in love with Jesus, she fled to France carrying his child. For all we know, on the basis of our sources, she was eighty-six, childless, and keen to mother unkempt young men.”

This type of thing is exactly what it should not be, gossip and hollywood editorials on the news stands in the checkout line. I do not mean to be unkind, but it is this type of garbage that can begin to trash the faith, and to those ignorant of the bible, mixes up this with reality.

Faith is a wonderful thing. But it shares one quality with other beautiful things. If it is not treated with respect and guarded, it will be hurt. And these types of things can peck away at faith. And then someday we wake up and wonder where it went. It starts with the little things. In prayer and out of prayer.

And St. Paul especially held faith important to the point of saying in his letters that if someone is saying something contrary to the faith, correct him. And hollywood could care less about the faith and would do “all sorts of things to make money.”

There you have it, a thought about our treasure.
 
@Patrick, Thank you for your response and your dissagreement. You gave me the opportunity to really speak what is on my mind. What I am saying is not against you, you have your right to say what you want. Rather this is sort of a “Luther’s statement” nailed on the church door so everyone can see it. So I do not want you to think I am picking on you tho I do use some of your reply in my statement.

Hollywood will “Add all sorts of things to make money.” That is the truth.

St. Paul would not be described as a lover in the bible except in terms of loving God. He is dedicated and on fire for God. I think it is detracting from his role to put things into his life that aren’t there. Not only that, but some people who are not acquainted with the bible will get the wrong impressions.

In my opinion, hollywood is not the place to get the truth in the bible and should be avoided.
I believe Jesus said “don’t throw pearls to the swine…”, and in the context it was written he was saying do not expose your faith to those who will ridicule it since they do not value it.
Throwing our faith to hollywood is the same thing, they don’t care and do not value it.

You mentioned a quote,
“Similarly Mary Magdalene has appealed enormously to people who have imagined all sorts of romantic things about her: she had been a prostitute, she was beautiful, she was in love with Jesus, she fled to France carrying his child. For all we know, on the basis of our sources, she was eighty-six, childless, and keen to mother unkempt young men.”

This type of thing is exactly what it should not be, gossip and hollywood editorials on the news stands in the checkout line. I do not mean to be unkind, but it is this type of garbage that can begin to trash the faith, and to those ignorant of the bible, mixes up this with reality.

Faith is a wonderful thing. But it shares one quality with other beautiful things. If it is not treated with respect and guarded, it will be hurt. And these types of things can peck away at faith. And then someday we wake up and wonder where it went. It starts with the little things. In prayer and out of prayer.

And St. Paul especially held faith important to the point of saying in his letters that if someone is saying something contrary to the faith, correct him. And hollywood could care less about the faith and would do “all sorts of things to make money.”

There you have it, a thought about our treasure.
Let’s start on one crucial thing: I’d bet my liver that this isn’t a ‘Hollywood’ production. The age when the big folks at Hollywood will be willing to make long biblical epics with the whole ‘cast of thousands’ is long gone. Yes, there’s The Passion of the Christ, but that’s really the exception. Today the people who make these types of films are mainly church groups or foreign media outlets (mainly minor ones) that aren’t exactly connected with ‘Hollywood’ proper.

I note that this film is actually a production by the Italian company Lux Vide. Lux Vide actually has a number of films dedicated to biblical stories, known under the collective title The Bible Collection (Saint Paul being but one of these) and saints’ lives. To be honest I actually like some of their biblical films: their strongest film IMHO would be Moses. That being said, their treatment of the NT, when compared to their OT films, is rather weak, especially the ones directed by Roger Young (Jesus, Saint Paul). I really liked The Apocalypse though, albeit it also suffers from the ‘pagan boy falls in love with Christian girl’ cliche. So if you have a complaint, chalk it up to them.
 
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