Saint Pope Pius V

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The “saint of the day” for today, April 30, is Saint Pope Pius V. In my opinion, he is no saint! He was the Grand Inquisitor of the Church. How many people were tortured at his order!? Why does the Church consider such a man a saint? :mad:

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The “saint of the day” for today, April 30, is Saint Pope Pius V. In my opinion, he is no saint! He was the Grand Inquisitor of the Church. How many people were tortured at his order!? Why does the Church consider such a man a saint? :mad:

catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=5515
He vigorously persued heresy, which leads men to hell. It’s a duty of charity. The articles admits he went a bit too far, but no saint has ever been perfect.
 
Because he was a saint.

Furthermore, the Pope did not go around issuing ‘torture orders’. The Inquisition was a SECULAR practice; the clergy were responsible for discovering whether a person was in heresy, not in using torture (and in fact, the use of torture was protested by the Church and the use was lessened in time because of that protest), and the ‘executions’ were pronounced by the state. The Church, in fact, often begged for mercy for those accused. People PREFERRED to be judged by the Church because the clergy were more ‘merciful’ than the state. And of course, the 15th century was not the 21st. One wonders how the Pope–or even the ‘heretics’ of that time–would view today’s modern ‘nonCatholic Christian’ who is just fine with divorce and abortion/contraception. . .
 
The “saint of the day” for today, April 30, is Saint Pope Pius V. In my opinion, he is no saint! He was the Grand Inquisitor of the Church. How many people were tortured at his order!? Why does the Church consider such a man a saint? :mad:

catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=5515
It is hard to give someone the benefit of the doubt and believe in their good intentions when they come to a subforum for traditional catholics and start a contentious thread such as this.

Thank you for sharing your opinion with us. The Church apparently thought otherwise.

Move along now…🙂
 
And of course, the 15th century was not the 21st. One wonders how the Pope–or even the ‘heretics’ of that time–would view today’s modern ‘nonCatholic Christian’ who is just fine with divorce and abortion/contraception. . .
I don’t know but that list of anathemas expressed by the Council of Trent would certainly be much greater than it is had they known the future. By the way, none of those anathemas has ever been officially abrogated by the Church.
 
One of my favorite quotes comes from this wonderful saint: “All the evils of the world are due to lukewarm Catholics.” And hasn’t our president proved that by appointing one apostate Catholic after another.

Pope Pius X echoed this sentiment: "“All the strength of Satan’s reign is due to the easygoing weakness of Catholics.”

And I think our present Pope is taking the blows for us. Pray for our Holy Father, as St. Pope Pius V would want us to do.
 
Pope Pius V was one of the greatest popes in history. The measuring stick imho.
 
A true defender of the faith and a man willing to stand up to heresy and abominations in a time when it wasn’t “popular” to do so.

God Bless
 
The “saint of the day” for today, April 30, is Saint Pope Pius V. In my opinion, he is no saint! He was the Grand Inquisitor of the Church. How many people were tortured at his order!? Why does the Church consider such a man a saint? :mad:

catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=5515
They must have moved him in the new calendar. The Traditional Calendar is St. Catherine of Siena, another wonderful Dominican. From memory, Pius V was the pope when the Battle of Lepanto occurred and he had called for Rosaries to be recited for help in the coming battle. I am thinking that he also gave the Spanish people a dispensation on account of their stalwart participation, to name their children the name of the Lord, and that is why only among the Spanish do we ever see the name, Jesus.

Many other good things, including the papal bull which probably more than anything kept the Traditional Mass alive in the hearts of souls who feared for its loss in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s.
Furthermore, by these presents [this law], in virtue of Our Apostolic authority, We grant and concede in perpetuity that, for the chanting or reading of the Mass in any church whatsoever, this Missal is hereafter to be followed absolutely, without any scruple of conscience or fear of incurring any penalty, judgment, or censure, and may freely and lawfully be used. Nor are superiors, administrators, canons, chaplains, and other secular priests, or religious, of whatever title designated, obliged to celebrate the Mass otherwise than as enjoined by Us. We likewise declare and ordain that no one whosoever is forced or coerced to alter this Missal, and that this present document cannot be revoked or modified, but remain always valid and retain its full force notwithstanding the previous constitutions and decrees of the Holy See, as well as any general or special constitutions or edicts of provincial or synodal councils, and notwithstanding the practice and custom of the aforesaid churches, established by long and immemorial prescription - except, however, if more than two hundred years’ standing.
Subsequent popes made adjustments for the Easter Triduum that better coincided with a workaday world that didn’t exist in 1570 and also other minor changes, especially additions to the Calendar. Pope Pius wasn’t forbidding the promulgation of other missals, such as that of Pope Paul VI, but one wonders, if not for his strong words regarding perpetuity of that missal, if the faithful would have held out, or if the Holy Father would have realized the continuing privilege in the Roman Rite to say what is sometimes called the Tridentine Mass (because of its appearance immediately following the Council of Trent).

Somebody said that no saint is perfect. But canonized saints are held to a very high standard. Now this fellow calls him Grand Inquisitor and thinks of Dostoevsky’s sinister character. It doesn’t mean Pius V was an antichrist. Cardinal Levada is “Grand Inquisitor” today…at least he is head of the same congregation that once was called the Holy Office of the Inquisition. The title neither proves sanctity nor sinfulness and Catholics don’t think he violated his office when he was with the Inquisition.
 
The “saint of the day” for today, April 30, is Saint Pope Pius V. In my opinion, he is no saint! He was the Grand Inquisitor of the Church. How many people were tortured at his order!? Why does the Church consider such a man a saint? :mad:

catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=5515
He would be perfect for our times. to many heresies roaming around and destroying souls due to lack of people willing to stand up for the Faith. i like what fr. Casey said the other day, “Catholics have become cowards.”
 
Pope Pius V was one of the greatest popes in history. The measuring stick imho.
I agree. In the calendar used by the EF, his feast day is May 5.
The Roman Martyrology:
Pope St. Pius V, confessor of the Order of Preachers, who went to sleep in the Lord on the 1st of May.
 
Ah, that tired old Inquisition canard. :yawn:
One of my favorite quotes comes from this wonderful saint: “All the evils of the world are due to lukewarm Catholics.” And hasn’t our president proved that by appointing one apostate Catholic after another.
Prophetic words. And never, I think, have they been more true than in the case of legalized abortion. Catholics caved on contraceptives, and abortion was not long in following. And in the wake of legalized abortion, other horrors, like euthanasia, are becoming acceptable. Since the Catholic Church condemns all these in the strongest terms, how could they become acceptable in society except that we Catholics have been lying down on the job?
 
Might I ask the OP why he posted this thread here, where it has nothing to do with the theme of this forum? Or do I already know the answer? :rolleyes:
 
Might I ask the OP why he posted this thread here, where it has nothing to do with the theme of this forum? Or do I already know the answer? :rolleyes:
I believe that we all know the answer…

God Bless
 
The “saint of the day” for today, April 30, is Saint Pope Pius V. In my opinion, he is no saint! He was the Grand Inquisitor of the Church. How many people were tortured at his order!? Why does the Church consider such a man a saint? :mad:

catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=5515
Hmmm, let me think … no more than Saul of Tarsus (St Paul), is an educated guess, after all, there’s only so much damage any one man can do. 🤷

I suppose we need to expose the evils of the Church that canonises persecuters of the faithful like Saul/Paul, along with Christ-deniers like Simon Peter, not to mention shameless women of low morals like Mary Madgalene. :rolleyes:

Yes, all this sarcasm has a point. A saint is not someone who is perfect or free of sin for their entire life - in fact it CANNOT be, since no-one IS remotely perfect or free of sin for their entire life.

All saints have been sinners as well, in their time. Moreover quite a few have been sinners on a grand scale, such as St Paul or St Mary Magdalene, and famously St Augustine of Hippo. There’s a saying ‘a saint is not someone who never sins, it’s someone who gets up again and repents each and every time he has sinned’.

You and I have far less knowledge of the life - and soul - of Pius V than the scholars who carefully examined in minute detail every aspect of his life before he was declared a saint. And that includes the one who was Devil’s Advocate - whose job was to carefully scrutinise Pius’ life and place on record every POSSIBLE occurrence in his life that suggested that Pius was NOT a man who was saintly.

All of the evidences for and against are a matter of public record - and still those who examined the cause for canonisation of Pius were overwhelmingly convinced that he did in fact lead a heroically virtuous life.
 
RE: Midwest Believer

Canonization is not based upon opinions. The Catholic Chuch is the visible Kingdom of Christ on Earth. It is a Kingdom with a sovereign head. The Catholic Church is not subject to opinion polls, “majority rule” or consensus. The requirements of its subjects are love, obedience and humility.
 
Hmmm, let me think … no more than Saul of Tarsus (St Paul), is an educated guess, after all, there’s only so much damage any one man can do. 🤷

I suppose we need to expose the evils of the Church that canonises persecuters of the faithful like Saul/Paul, along with Christ-deniers like Simon Peter, not to mention shameless women of low morals like Mary Madgalene. :rolleyes:

Yes, all this sarcasm has a point. A saint is not someone who is perfect or free of sin for their entire life - in fact it CANNOT be, since no-one IS remotely perfect or free of sin for their entire life.

All saints have been sinners as well, in their time. Moreover quite a few have been sinners on a grand scale, such as St Paul or St Mary Magdalene, and famously St Augustine of Hippo. There’s a saying ‘a saint is not someone who never sins, it’s someone who gets up again and repents each and every time he has sinned’.

You and I have far less knowledge of the life - and soul - of Pius V than the scholars who carefully examined in minute detail every aspect of his life before he was declared a saint. And that includes the one who was Devil’s Advocate - whose job was to carefully scrutinise Pius’ life and place on record every POSSIBLE occurrence in his life that suggested that Pius was NOT a man who was saintly.

All of the evidences for and against are a matter of public record - and still those who examined the cause for canonisation of Pius were overwhelmingly convinced that he did in fact lead a heroically virtuous life.
Sorry just one correction All Saints except The Virgin Mary. She never sinned and ofcourse she is not like any other Saint.
 
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