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Miserissima
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As Catholics, we believe that the saints are in Heaven, beholding the Beatific Vision, and as they are alive in Christ, they are able (and certainly do) intercede on our behalf.
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narajr
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Hi
- We know that there are seven angels before the face of God: Tb 12,15.
- Some tradition considered these angels as archangels: Summa Theologiæ, Iª, 113, 3; 1Ts 4,16.
- They are the *vigilants *(hirim) from Dn 4,10[13].14[17].20[23] (in hebrew: עִיר).
- Their names depend on multiple traditions, either rabinical (Jerameel, Baraquiel, Judiel, Cedequiel, Selafiel), either aprocryphal (Reguel, Sariel, Remiel).
- Uriel come from 4Esd 4,1; 5,20. He is also identified with Fanuel (Gn 32,31s; Henoc 40,9.17).
- The coptic feast of Uriel is july 28th.
- The Roman Church asked to not use angels names don’t report by the canonical books (Directory on popular piety and the liturgy, 217: vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20020513_vers-direttorio_en.html).
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White_Orchid
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I just completed RCIA 1 1/2 yrs ago and this was covered with a lot of detail for us.
Uriel which is Hebrew for אוּרִיאֵל which means “God is my Light” and He was a light bearer and was called Lucifer in Latin.
Then along come the pagans and those into kabbalistic and occult works and took the name and turned it to Urial (notice the A were the E was) and was used for all the wrong & Sinful reasons.
That caused a lot of confusion in the Church. SO, the Church to protect Her innocent from falling into sin they simply dropped the angel from the list of Official and Approved angels.
That is why you will see his name come up from time to time but he is Not Official and Approved.
If you would like some Light brought into your prayers try praying to Jesus - He has declared to be for us “the Light of the World” and “the Light of Heaven” you can’t get any brighter then that! lol
Uriel which is Hebrew for אוּרִיאֵל which means “God is my Light” and He was a light bearer and was called Lucifer in Latin.
Then along come the pagans and those into kabbalistic and occult works and took the name and turned it to Urial (notice the A were the E was) and was used for all the wrong & Sinful reasons.
That caused a lot of confusion in the Church. SO, the Church to protect Her innocent from falling into sin they simply dropped the angel from the list of Official and Approved angels.
That is why you will see his name come up from time to time but he is Not Official and Approved.
If you would like some Light brought into your prayers try praying to Jesus - He has declared to be for us “the Light of the World” and “the Light of Heaven” you can’t get any brighter then that! lol
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simpleas
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So Uriel is satan???
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narajr
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Jesus is the real *day star *or lucifer (2Pe 1:19).
But Saint Jerome (In Isaiah 1,14) has accepted the interpretation from the Siriac Bible and Aquila, who derived shine (הָלַל) from cry (יָלַל) in Is 14:12, and has identified the *day star *with a demon, pehaps a kerubin (Ez 28,1-19).
This interpretation has triumphed in christian tradition (cf. Petavius, De Angelis, III, 3, 4).
But Saint Jerome (In Isaiah 1,14) has accepted the interpretation from the Siriac Bible and Aquila, who derived shine (הָלַל) from cry (יָלַל) in Is 14:12, and has identified the *day star *with a demon, pehaps a kerubin (Ez 28,1-19).
This interpretation has triumphed in christian tradition (cf. Petavius, De Angelis, III, 3, 4).
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FrDavid96
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No. Certainly not.So Uriel is satan???
It’s simply one of the names ascribed to one of the archangels.
This is really not such a big deal.
The name is used and accepted in the East. It’s generally not used in the West.
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simpleas
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Thanks, a minute there I thought I’d been thinking about Satan as my Guardian Angel…
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celestialhost
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It does seem a bit awkward to accuse our Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic brethren of praying to Lucifer. That’s the sort of thing I used to say when I was a Protestant fundamentalist.
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Mintaka
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Just as extra information, it used to be very common in Latin Rite Catholic churches, from 1500 or so onward, to have pictures of seven angels carrying the Seven Sacraments. Sometimes they had names attached, sometimes not. Apparently this was a very popular motif in Hispanic art and New World churches. I’ve seen some English Catholic books for little kids from the late 1800’s that used this motif to help teach the Sacraments.
(And arguably, the Angel of Portugal, at Fatima, was playing off this holy art motif when he gave the three kids Communion.)
Here’s the Seven Archangels webpage showing some examples of this motif. It shows some variations of attributes in depictions of the seven angels, and talks about the relationship of the art to Scriptural comments about the seven angels in the Book of Revelation.
So there’s nothing wrong with it; it’s just that you shouldn’t insist these non-scriptural names are definitely the angels’ real names.
(And arguably, the Angel of Portugal, at Fatima, was playing off this holy art motif when he gave the three kids Communion.)
Here’s the Seven Archangels webpage showing some examples of this motif. It shows some variations of attributes in depictions of the seven angels, and talks about the relationship of the art to Scriptural comments about the seven angels in the Book of Revelation.
So there’s nothing wrong with it; it’s just that you shouldn’t insist these non-scriptural names are definitely the angels’ real names.
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White_Orchid
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So Uriel is satan???
Satan masquerades as an angel of light.
Remember I said there was a difference in the spelling of Uriel and Urial?
In Hebrew the name Uriel literally means Light-God or Light of God. El is Hebrew for God.
When it was corrupted by the those doing evil, changed El to Al in the name.
But where the confusion came in was, they are pronounced the same.
Because of the confusion the Church dropped Uriel from the list of “Approved Angels”
So in answer to your question No Uriel is not Satan but he is not part of the “Approved List of Angels” either.
There is an old Jewish prayer for angelic protection that lists all four angels. One on either side of you and one before and behind you. Saint Patrick did a wonderful prayer based on this idea (it was put on his shield) but it is more in keeping with safer traditions and rulings of the Church…
As I arise today,
may the strength of God pilot me,
the power of God uphold me,
the wisdom of God guide me.
May the eye of God look before me,
the ear of God hear me,
the word of God speak for me.
May the hand of God protect me,
the way of God lie before me,
the shield of God defend me,
the host of God save me.
May Christ shield me today.
Christ with me, Christ before me,
Christ behind me,
Christ in me, Christ beneath me,
Christ above me,
Christ on my right, Christ on my left,
Christ when I lie down, Christ when I sit,
Christ when I stand,
Christ in the heart of everyone who thinks of me,
Christ in the mouth of everyone who speaks of me,
Christ in every eye that sees me,
Christ in every ear that hears me.
Amen
If it were me (and it is at times lol) If I feel in need of Angelic help of some kind- I ask Jesus to send His angels. They are His Angels after all and He loves us. You can trust He will send the Angel or Angels best suited to help you in your time of need. Not to mention Him helping us, Himself.
I think sometimes it is too easy to get in the habit of praying to everyone in Heaven and avoid the One (Jesus) who Died & Arose to have a relationship with us. If we have sinned and/or have not been to confession for awhile, it makes it really easy to just talk to the Angels, or Mary, or the Saints instead of to the Priest and the Lord. And that is a spiritually dangerous path to walk down.
By all means ask for intercession but not at the cost of avoiding God and His redeeming Grace.
Satan masquerades as an angel of light.
Remember I said there was a difference in the spelling of Uriel and Urial?
In Hebrew the name Uriel literally means Light-God or Light of God. El is Hebrew for God.
When it was corrupted by the those doing evil, changed El to Al in the name.
But where the confusion came in was, they are pronounced the same.
Because of the confusion the Church dropped Uriel from the list of “Approved Angels”
So in answer to your question No Uriel is not Satan but he is not part of the “Approved List of Angels” either.
There is an old Jewish prayer for angelic protection that lists all four angels. One on either side of you and one before and behind you. Saint Patrick did a wonderful prayer based on this idea (it was put on his shield) but it is more in keeping with safer traditions and rulings of the Church…
As I arise today,
may the strength of God pilot me,
the power of God uphold me,
the wisdom of God guide me.
May the eye of God look before me,
the ear of God hear me,
the word of God speak for me.
May the hand of God protect me,
the way of God lie before me,
the shield of God defend me,
the host of God save me.
May Christ shield me today.
Christ with me, Christ before me,
Christ behind me,
Christ in me, Christ beneath me,
Christ above me,
Christ on my right, Christ on my left,
Christ when I lie down, Christ when I sit,
Christ when I stand,
Christ in the heart of everyone who thinks of me,
Christ in the mouth of everyone who speaks of me,
Christ in every eye that sees me,
Christ in every ear that hears me.
Amen
If it were me (and it is at times lol) If I feel in need of Angelic help of some kind- I ask Jesus to send His angels. They are His Angels after all and He loves us. You can trust He will send the Angel or Angels best suited to help you in your time of need. Not to mention Him helping us, Himself.
I think sometimes it is too easy to get in the habit of praying to everyone in Heaven and avoid the One (Jesus) who Died & Arose to have a relationship with us. If we have sinned and/or have not been to confession for awhile, it makes it really easy to just talk to the Angels, or Mary, or the Saints instead of to the Priest and the Lord. And that is a spiritually dangerous path to walk down.
By all means ask for intercession but not at the cost of avoiding God and His redeeming Grace.
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Godric2
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I find it difficult to know why some of the angels are Saints and some are not …
How is it decided?
Help name Mary and Joseph’s donkey - cast your vote, please!
How is it decided?
Help name Mary and Joseph’s donkey - cast your vote, please!
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FrDavid96
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That’s actually not the issue.
All angels (the fallen excepted, naturally) are in heaven, and all are saints (let’s not get too technical about that word that can have different nuances).
The issue here is about the actual names used. Only 3 names are found in Sacred Scripture. Other names are found in non-canonical sources: some are the books that were determined to be extra-canonical and some names come from any number of different sources: ranging from private revelations to saints all the way to silly things like someone selling an angel trinket and giving it a name.
With regard to the name Uriel (the topic here) it is very simple. The name is used in Eastern Catholic and Orthodox spirituality and accepted. In the West, only the names Michael, Raphael, and Gabriel are used in any official context, even though they might appear as personal names (like Arial).
This is really not a big issue. It’s not a big deal. It’s really not controversial, although one might not think that from reading this and similar threads.
It’s simple: the name Uriel is used in the East and accepted as a name of one of the archangels. The name is generally not used in the West. No problem.
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patrick457
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Well, on a lighter note, there is a St. Lucifer, a 4th-century bishop in Sardinia who passionately opposed the Arians. Although granted, some question whether he should be venerated as a saint at all because some of his actions - mostly directed at his Arian opponents - were well, rather unsaintly.
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Miserissima
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Reminds me of the yearly kerfuffle over the Exultet: some Catholics and most Protestants don’t realize that the chant calls Christ, “Lucifer” until they hear it, and a lot of questions crop up around here – and a lot of misinformation is passed along on blogs and YouTube. Just check the Google search: google.com/search?q=exulstet+youtube+luciferWell, on a lighter note, there is a St. Lucifer, a 4th-century bishop in Sardinia who passionately opposed the Arians. Although granted, some question whether he should be venerated as a saint at all because some of his actions - mostly directed at his Arian opponents - were well, rather unsaintly.
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asonct
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Prayer is just so personal as your communication to God. I believe Saint Uriel is an acceptable saint to pray to and ask intercession from. I have prayed, Saint Uriel pray for us - mostly when I invoke Saint Michael the Archangel, Saint Gabriel and Saint Raphael.
If you need to pray to Saint Uriel as a personal communication to God, I would say it is ok. Saint Uriel is an archangel close to God’s throne. I do not think he is the grand deceiver whatsoever. Saint Uriel is with Saint Michael the Archangel, Saint Gabriel and Saint Raphael!
If you need to pray to Saint Uriel as a personal communication to God, I would say it is ok. Saint Uriel is an archangel close to God’s throne. I do not think he is the grand deceiver whatsoever. Saint Uriel is with Saint Michael the Archangel, Saint Gabriel and Saint Raphael!
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Chatter163
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None of the angels are actually saints, in the context that we use when speaking of saints and canonizations. In Latin the terms sanctus, sancte, sancta, sanctae, etc. may be translated as holy or saint in English. In English the two words may or may not be exactly synonomous, depending on the precise context, but in Latin they are the same word (much like sky and heaven, which are both caeli in Latin). So when we say St. Michael or St. Gabriel or St. Raphael, we are also saying Holy Michael, Holy Gabriel, Holy Raphael. The same is true of Sancta Maria, which is sometimes translated Holy Mary, and at other times as* St. Mary*.
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Miserissima
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I agree, and you summed up what I was recently trying to say elsewhere on the forum (below). Broadly speaking, anyone who beholds the beatific vision is a “saint,” and I think that’s where the term gets a bit confusing. As Fr. Serpa said, “Whoever is in heaven is a saint. Saints are in heaven; so angels are saints.” (Link)
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