Saints and Heroes of the Christian Church in the Anglican Communion

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Does anyone know why men like SS. Thomas More and Bishop Fisher and Blessed John Newman are commemorated as Saints in the Anglican Communion? It just seems queer to me that these men - two of them martyred in opposition to the break with Rome- are then hailed by an organization they would disdain.

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We share many saints. I don’t pretend to speak for the Church of England or the Anglican Communion, but perhaps the men you mentioned wouldn’t be as disdainful as you think. Maybe the C of E and the AC are more broad-minded than you would give them credit for. Maybe.
 
A.Pelliccio said:
Does anyone know why men like SS. Thomas More and Bishop Fisher and Blessed John Newman are commemorated as Saints in the Anglican Communion? It just seems queer to me that these men - two of them martyred in opposition to the break with Rome- are then hailed by an organization they would disdain.

Thank you,

Anthony
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Can you provide documentation that these men are Saints of the Anglican Communion?
 
Thomas More and Bishop Fisher were both brave,humble, and forgiving in their martyrdom, but they certainly had an intellectual disdain for protestantism evidenced by More’s many writing and pursuit of heretics.
 
A.Pelliccio said:
Does anyone know why men like SS. Thomas More and Bishop Fisher and Blessed John Newman are commemorated as Saints in the Anglican Communion? It just seems queer to me that these men - two of them martyred in opposition to the break with Rome- are then hailed by an organization they would disdain.

Thank you,

Anthony
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We don’t know what these saints would disdain or not. If they had the mind of Christ (which they no doubt had a great share of) they would have remembered Christ’s words on the cross, ‘Father, forgive them for they know not what they do’ (Luke 23:43).

Terrible things happened to both Catholics and Protestants during those terrible times.

During the following years and to the present the Anglican church has produced many good and saintly Christians and as a body they could recognize the Godliness in others such as the good saints and blesseds mentioned above. The Anglican church did not abolish the saints and continue to honour them to this day… even some Catholic saints who lived at the time of the initial Reformation period.
 
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Thomas More and Bishop Fisher were both brave,humble, and forgiving in their martyrdom, but they certainly had an intellectual disdain for protestantism evidenced by More’s many writing and pursuit of heretics.
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Bishop Fisher burn heretics as well.

I was not aware that any of these were saints in the AC.
 
Wasn’t Saint Joan d’Arc essentially killed by “Catholic” clergy?
 
St. Joan was killed as a pawn in between two states in war, not in opposition to dogma or the hierarchy of the Chuc… Thomas More and Bishop Fisher were put to death by the head of the “Church” that has since canonized them. This would be as if the Church canonized Arius or someone like that. Cardinal Newman left the COE for Rome.

I did not mean to get bogged down in whether More would see that “bad things happened on all sides during the reformation”, I merely found this fact ironic.
 
Did I say Saint Joan d’Arc was burned for heresy? No. Did I say she was burned by “Catholic” clergy? Yes.
 
I am aware of what you said, but it had no relevance with the topic at hand or my question and merely confused the circumstances by which men who were martyred by or left a denomination were then canonized by them.

Joan never left the faith and thus it has no bearing on the topic.
 
Well now that you narrow it down that far I guess it hasn’t. Such unnecessary nastiness, geesh! (My philosophy is, let the readers decide what’s relevant. I fully expect everything I say to confuse the narrow-minded; all the better for the cause of liberty!)
 
Religions tend to want to co-opt people. Take Catholics. I know so many Catholics who say, “William Shakespeare was really a Catholic!” and some say, “If C.S. Lewis were alive today, he’d be a Catholic for sure because he liked purgatory!” And Catholics like to think Charles Martel, a Catholic and hero who fought back Islam thus keeping the Muslims from taking over Europe, is somehow a triumph for Catholicism even though the Catholic Church was ready to excommunicate and sanction Martel because he seized Church land and property to afford to build an army to fight the Muslim hordes. The Church was against him until they saw him win! 😛 So Charles Martel, Bill Shakespeare, and C.S. Lewis are full-on Catholics, why can’t St. Thomas Moore be an Anglican post mortem? :p:shrug:
 
Your logic is flawed: all the cases of Catholics were broadenings, universalizations. What you’re trying to do is sectarianize, divide, denominationalize.
 
Intelligentibus pauca. That said, whenever I’m in doubt what I’ll do is refer to the previous post. Hope this helps.
 
Whatever…By your tone and your signature, you seem to have the aim of irritating people rather than having intelligent dialogue. Throw all the Italian and Latin terms you like. You’re not bothering or disturbing me.
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Intelligentibus pauca. That said, whenever I’m in doubt what I’ll do is refer to the previous post. Hope this helps.
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Oh my, my, my, my good man, please indulge me the briefest opportunity to explain both tone and signature: my end-goal is not to perturb but to enlighten. Intelligence is my sole aim…and enough to keep me quite occupied. I’m sure you’re not the only one to miss that. Yes, if you’re offended then you’ve simply misunderstood. So no whatevers needed. Capisce?
 
Well, well, well, well dear sir, I hadn’t the slightest inkling as to the tone of said post and I requestesth of thee that you please grant me a thousand pardons for my rash and hastily-written diatribe in which I assumed your ill intentions were to mock, chide, or bring sarcasm to an otherwise lucid and intellectual exchange of ideas. Enlightenment and the quest for knowledge and veritas is my endgame as well—a quest for my place in this universe and the right ecclesiastical home for my family and I to worship.

See, you’re not the only one who can write in the language of smarty pants! :rolleyes:😉

io capusco tutti, grazie
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Oh my, my, my, my good man, please indulge me the briefest opportunity to explain both tone and signature: my end-goal is not to perturb but to enlighten. Intelligence is my sole aim…and enough to keep me quite occupied. I’m sure you’re not the only one to miss that. Yes, if you’re offended then you’ve simply misunderstood. So no whatevers needed. Capisce?
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