Saints and Heroes of the Christian Church in the Anglican Communion

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Yes, I am aware that some people out there in this great big world of God’s use obscure words because that’s the only way they know how to garner respect (or fear). As for my intent, I was just being thorough in my meaning. Sorry if my clarity threatens you. But your judgment on others is your business, I really don’t give a hang what opinion of me you elect to nurse (which, again, is what my signature actually meant to convey if anyone cares).
 
That’s right, because a “unique tone” and “bait” are clearly all I have offered. Keep repeating that, it may eventually stick. I hope you won’t take it the wrong way if I don’t lay my money to it though.
 
Ah, so refreshing to be back on track and not vainly seeking to fashion artifical boogeymen. Yes, to be clear (a personal fetish of mine I shan’t deny), Anglicans (known in less royalty-friendly parts as “Episcopalians”) claim to be both Catholic and “Reformed.” Mainly “reform” in this context seems to refer to “Calvinist” rather than, say, “Lutheran.” This may help explain their doubting the Eucharist in the “low church.” G. K. Chesterton notes how uniquely Anglicans are “at home with paradox.” Pope Benedict XVI has told them essentially that in seeking to straddle two lanes they deceive themselves. Anglicans also tolerate (if not encourage) Freemasonry which would help explain some the Anticatholic sentiment among some Anglicans and why Freemasonry is as well established in London as anywhere I know of…the real irony being how antiroyalty Freemasons profess to be contrasted with England’s unusually strong royal family. Perhaps they get a free pass for not being in communion with Rome?
 
Don’t worry, I’m not taking the bait, Jharek. And I appreciate the vote of confidence. You’re right that, periodically, an interesting persona comes on trying to impress us with verbage and eloquence as well as a high degree of smarty-pantsitis 😛 Don’t worry, bait not taken…
 
Agreed. Sometimes when my rector says, “the Church,” I ask, “which one?” :confused:😛 There are essentially several Anglican churches within the Church and as I have pointed out, the Church of Stott and Packer is in opposition to the anglo-catholic model. As GKC commonly says in here, “depends on who you ask!” Some Anglicans with whom I worship swear up one side and down the other that they’re Catholic. Other say proudly “Protestant!” Possibly the most bi-polar group on the face of the earth. Ya gotta love those Anglicans 😛
 
You’re not Anglican then? (And, oh yes, this refers to the post before it.)
 
A.Pelliccio said:
I am aware of what you said, but it had no relevance with the topic at hand or my question and merely confused the circumstances by which men who were martyred by or left a denomination were then canonized by them.

Joan never left the faith and thus it has no bearing on the topic.
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As was stated before, their godliness and worthy examples are held in high regard. It’s not the 16th century anymore. We’re not still fighting the Reformation battles. We can hold Catholic saints in the highest esteem. Here’s hoping that esteem can (at least on personal, unofficial levels) be returned! 🙂
 
Really? Are we Buddhists now? (I’ve always said that’s what Lutheranism seems to gravitate toward.)
 
The_Sentry said:
And listen for the sound of one hand clapping!
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That is one sensational idea. Oh, me? Oh, nothing, I was just thinking of something more along the lines of reading the statistics. But now that I’ve heard your idea mine sounds pretty dumb. Sorry for posting. I’ll just go curl up in a corner now.
 
It is my understanding that the Anglicans do recognize these men as saints. They honor many, many of the same saints as Catholics do, St. Augustine, St. Martin, for example
 
Lutherans have Saint Martin of Tours kind of. It’s a common Lutheran name. I think that’s it though. Everything else is Sola Scriptura. Interesting.
 
masuwerte said:
We share many saints. I don’t pretend to speak for the Church of England or the Anglican Communion, but perhaps the men you mentioned wouldn’t be as disdainful as you think. Maybe the C of E and the AC are more broad-minded than you would give them credit for. Maybe.
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I believe the OP stated SS. Thomas Moore and John Fisher would hold the Anglican Church in disdain. They held it in disdain when it was “merely” (please don’t take that out of context schism is still terrible) a question of schism, I can only imagine what they would think with such profound changes in theology and women priests and same sex “marriages”. I don’t think saints valued such “broad mindedness” in every situation.
 
redroselover said:
It is my understanding that the Anglicans do recognize these men as saints. They honor many, many of the same saints as Catholics do, St. Augustine, St. Martin, for example
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The monthly (Nov) Kalendar as printed for my parish is:
  1. ALL SAINTS DAY (day of obligation) In thanksgiving for all the saints
  2. All Souls Day For all the faithful departed
  3. St. Martin de Porres, C. 1639 For the Church in South America
  4. St. Charles Borromeo, B.C. 1584 For those who teach the Faith
  5. St. Elisabeth (abstinence) For the respect of all life, new & old
  6. St. Leonard, Ab. 559 For prisoners of war
  7. TWENTY-THIRD SUNDAY AFTER TRINITY For the prayer life of our parish St. Willibrord, B.C. 739
  8. Octave of All Saints In thanksgiving for those saints in our own life
  9. St. Theodore the Recruit, M. c. 304 For strength in our witness
  10. Ss. Tryphon, Respicius, & the Virgin Nympha, MM. c. 250 For hope
  11. St. Martin of Tours, B.C. 397 For grace to treat the needy as Christ
  12. St. Martin I, P.M. 655 (abstinence) For release from resentment
  13. St. Britius, B.C. 444 For humility to ask for forgiveness
  14. TWENTY-FOURTH SUNDAY AFTER TRINITY For the growth of our parish Bestowal of the American Episcopate 1784
  15. St. Machutus, B.C. 564 For zeal to preach the Gospel
  16. St. Edmund Rich, Archbp. of Canterbury, C. 1240 For a devout prayer life
  17. St. Hugh of Lincoln, B.C. 1200 For reconciliation between the estranged
  18. St. Hilda, Ab. 680 In thanksgiving for the service of women to Christ
  19. St. Elisabeth of Hungary, Q.W. 1231 (abstinence) For the nurture of children
  20. St. Edmund, K.M. 870 For guidance for the world’s leaders
  21. SUNDAY NEXT BEFORE ADVENT For the renewal of our parish Presentation of the BVM
  22. St. Cecilia, V.M. 180 In thanksgiving for music of praise to God
  23. St. Clement of Rome, P.M. 100 For the unity of Christ’s Church
  24. St. John of the Cross, C.D. 1591 For those who died alone
  25. THANKSGIVING DAY In thanksgiving for all our blessings St. Catherine of Alexandria, V.M. 307
  26. St. Sylvester Gozzolini, Ab. 1267 (abst.) For the realization of our own mortality
  27. Feria For those without food this Thanksgiving
  28. FIRST SUNDAY IN ADVENT For our parish’s preparation for holy death
  29. Vigil of St. Andrew In thanksgiving for this past month’s blessings
  30. ST. ANDREW THE APOSTLE For grace to be fishers of men
[Ab. Abbot or Abbess; B. Bishop; BVM. Blessed Virgin Mary; C. Confessor; D. Doctor of the Church; K. King; M. Martyr; P. Pope; Q. Queen; V. Virgin; W. Widow]
Numbers refer to the year of the saint’s heavenly birthday. A feria is a day without a special commemoration.
 
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