Saints and Heroes of the Christian Church in the Anglican Communion

[gurneyhalleck1]

Double yep! Now Frank Herbert? That’s different. And he wasn’t even a religious writer!

Yep.

GKC

 

[GKC]

Double yep! Now Frank Herbert? That’s different. And he wasn’t even a religious writer!

Nope.

GKC

 

[Bluegoat]

We believe they’re in heaven, we affirm they’re in heaven, we do not stop at thinking they’re in heaven. Does this make sense to you now?

There is no need to be rude, or a jerk, or a rude jerk. What is your problem? You seem to think there is some issue here that as far as I can see, isn’t.

Of course saints are in Heaven. For the most part, we don’t know specifically who they are. Most saints are never recognized officially.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Oh Meghan, don’t take the bait…

There is no need to be rude, or a jerk, or a rude jerk. What is your problem? You seem to think there is some issue here that as far as I can see, isn’t.

Of course saints are in Heaven. For the most part, we don’t know specifically who they are. Most saints are never recognized officially.

 

[Bluegoat]

Oh Meghan, don’t take the bait…

I just have no patience for this kind of thing lately. What do these people think they are accomplishing? What could their goal possibly be? Are they atheists or weird Protestant sect types trying to make Catholics look bad - because that is the only thing that seems to make sense.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

There are always folks looking for a fight and to bolster their own reputation for wit and humor. I wouldn’t lump Protestants in with trolling goof balls though. I have met a ton of great Protestant folks in here. There are just as many Catholics in here out to character assassinate Protestants as there are the reverse IMO.

I just have no patience for this kind of thing lately. What do these people think they are accomplishing? What could their goal possibly be? Are they atheists or weird Protestant sect types trying to make Catholics look bad - because that is the only thing that seems to make sense.

 

[Bluegoat]

There are always folks looking for a fight and to bolster their own reputation for wit and humor. I wouldn’t lump Protestants in with trolling goof balls though. I have met a ton of great Protestant folks in here. There are just as many Catholics in here out to character assassinate Protestants as there are the reverse IMO.

No, I’m not lumping - that’s why I said “weird Protestant sects”. Most people belong to normal Protestant sects, like you and I do.

 

[tomarin]

Mary was a little passionate, true. Elizabeth had the facade of what Chesterton called her: the cold queen of England.

Just curious, did he make that statement in his “History of England” or another work?

 

[Alexander_Roman]

Anglicans tend to stick saints in randomly, at the whim of varying jurisdictions, the only semi-exception being the aforementioned Charles II, King and Martyr.

GKC

That’s “Charles I.”

 

[GKC]

That’s “Charles I.”

Drat.

I stuttered. That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.

Must remember: type read, post.

GKC

 

[GKC]

Just curious, did he make that statement in his “History of England” or another work?

“Lepanto”

“White founts falling in the Courts of the sun,
And the Soldan of Byzantium is smiling as they run;
There is laughter like the fountains in that face of all men feared,
It stirs the forest darkness, the darkness of his beard;
It curls the blood-red crescent, the crescent of his lips;
For the inmost sea of all the earth is shaken with his ships.
They have dared the white republics up the capes of Italy,
They have dashed the Adriatic round the Lion of the Sea,
And the Pope has cast his arms abroad for agony and loss,
And called the kings of Christendom for swords about the Cross.
The cold queen of England is looking in the glass;
The shadow of the Valois is yawning at the Mass;
From evening isles fantastical rings faint the Spanish gun,
And the Lord upon the Golden Horn is laughing in the sun.”

A SHORT HISTORY OF ENGLAND says little about Elizabeth personally, a little about the period.

IIRC.

GKC

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Imagine Chesterton, a hard-core partisan Catholic speaking ill of the Protestant Queen. Boggles the mind!

“Lepanto”

“White founts falling in the Courts of the sun,
And the Soldan of Byzantium is smiling as they run;
There is laughter like the fountains in that face of all men feared,
It stirs the forest darkness, the darkness of his beard;
It curls the blood-red crescent, the crescent of his lips;
For the inmost sea of all the earth is shaken with his ships.
They have dared the white republics up the capes of Italy,
They have dashed the Adriatic round the Lion of the Sea,
And the Pope has cast his arms abroad for agony and loss,
And called the kings of Christendom for swords about the Cross.
The cold queen of England is looking in the glass;
The shadow of the Valois is yawning at the Mass;
From evening isles fantastical rings faint the Spanish gun,
And the Lord upon the Golden Horn is laughing in the sun.”

A SHORT HISTORY OF ENGLAND says little about Elizabeth personally, a little about the period.

IIRC.

GKC

 

[tomarin]

A SHORT HISTORY OF ENGLAND says little about Elizabeth personally, a little about the period.

Ah, I see. I started reading it recently then got distraced by the new Frank Sinatra biography. I found it a bit meandering and bloodless (“A Short History of England” that is).

Maybe I’ll try “Lepanto” next.

 

[GKC]

Ah, I see. I started reading it recently then got distraced by the new Frank Sinatra biography. I found it a bit meandering and bloodless (“A Short History of England” that is).

Maybe I’ll try “Lepanto” next.

It’s notable because, in total, it contains (IIRC) 3 dates in the whole thing.

It was a minor piece of work, written under a contractual compulsion, with Chatto and Windus. Chesterton did not want to write it, but was stuck. As it emerged, it was an instance of his own anti-Whig and pro-Cobbett views. He said it was more properly a sketch of English history, or an essay on it, than a history of England per se. It was Chesterton, of course. Worth reading for that.

“Lepanto” is easy enough. I used to chant it while jogging, when I was foolish enough to do that. Wrote a paper on it, in college. I’ll try to post it in another post.

GKC

 

[GKC]

Lepanto"

Nope. Too long. Here’s a link:

poetry-online.org/chesterton_lepanto.htm

GKC

 

[tomarin]

It’s notable because, in total, it contains (IIRC) 3 dates in the whole thing.

It was a minor piece of work, written under a contractual compulsion, with Chatto and Windus. Chesterton did not want to write it, but was stuck. As it emerged, it was an instance of his own anti-Whig and pro-Cobbett views. He said it was more properly a sketch of English history, or an essay on it, than a history of England per se. It was Chesterton, of course. Worth reading for that.

“Lepanto” is easy enough. I used to chant it while jogging, when I was foolish enough to do that. Wrote a paper on it, in college. I’ll try to post it in another post.

GKC

Thanks so much for the background and insights, GKC. It would be fun to memorize “Lepanto.” (Though, based on past experiences trying to memorize poetry, I will be lucky if I can commit the first few lines to memory. Not one of my talents.)

 

[GKC]

Thanks so much for the background and insights, GKC. It would be fun to memorize “Lepanto.” (Though, based on past experiences trying to memorize poetry, I will be lucky if I can commit the first few lines to memory. Not one of my talents.)

My pleasure. Chesterton is one of my people.

I could do the whole poem, once, but probably now couldn’t get much further than the part I posted, but could add some snippets from the rest.

On another board, I know gentleman who has memorized the entirety of THE BALLAD OF THE WHITE HORSE. Yes, all of it.

I saluted him.

GKC

 

[tomarin]

On another board, I know gentleman who has memorized the entirety of THE BALLAD OF THE WHITE HORSE. Yes, all of it.

That’s an awesome feat.

There’s no better way to get people’s attention at say a dinner table than to without explanation or warning begin reciting a poem.

 

[GKC]

That’s an awesome feat.

There’s no better way to get people’s attention at say a dinner table than to without explanation or warning begin reciting a poem.

I found it a good way to get tossed out on my ear.

GKC

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

And sometimes I feel like I don’t have a life! Now I feel a lot better!

On another board, I know gentleman who has memorized the entirety of THE BALLAD OF THE WHITE HORSE. Yes, all of it.

I saluted him.

GKC