Saints: How Would They Live In Today's World?

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So, when a person joins a lay religious order, what exactly is involved and what is the advantage (if that’s an appropriate thought, I’m not sure just now) of actually officially joining a group as opposed to just living your life according to it’s charism?
Most religious orders and congregations are lay, except those that are exclusively for priests, which are very few. This means that most of their members are not priests. They are men and women who are consecrated by vows and bound to live within a community that follows a specific rule of life until death. Communities of men often have priests. But they are still lay, because they were founded as Brotherhoods. The priesthood is one function of the many that they perform. For example, Franciscans have more lay Brothers than clerical Brothers. A clerical Brother is a Brother who is also a priest. This is because the priesthood is not necessary to live the life of Francis. The same is true of many other orders and congregations.

You mean a secular order. These are for people who are secular priests, married people and single people, but not for brothers, sisters, nuns, monks or hermits. This group belongs to orders or congregations.

The advantage is the gift of community and the support that comes with it, also the structure.

For example, I belong to the Lay Missionaries of Charity. We make vows of chastity, poverty and obedience. However, our vow of chastity does not include celibacy. We can marry, unless you decide to include celibacy when you make the vow of chastity. That’s up to you and the spiritual director. My vow of chastity is with celibacy, but not everyone’s. This means that I will never marry again, for the sake of the Kingdom.

We also have a constitution. These are guidelines on how to live the Spirit of Mother Teresa and St. Francis in our daily lives. How to dress, work, pray, what to own or not own, how to gather together and what to do when we gather, how to take care of our families and how to serve in Church ministries. This includes which ministries are consistent with the spirituality of Mother and Francis.

Secular Orders give you a rule of life for prayer, ministry, and daily living. You have the benefit of gathering at least monthly if not more often with your brothers and sisters who are on the same journey to share, learn and teach.

But one does not have to join a Secular Order to be a Franciscan, Carmelite, Missionary of Charity, etc.

JR 🙂
 
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Tough times we’re living in, the world is a cesspool right now. They’re praying for us all though, and if we join them in that effort, we should get through all this. 🙂
Tough times were the middle ages or the Depression or for the native Americans, the onslaught of the “white man” or for African Americans, slavery. 😛 it’s a piece of cake compared to the past. 😉 I’m teasing you my friend. 🙂 But I don’t see the world as a cesspool. There has always been problems or evil in the world for every generation. I know you know this. I wonder if the Saints look down at us and think you dear people have it so lucky 😃

It’s probably already been brought up and I just didn’t see it 😊 but what about the Saints today? Who do we consider a Saint? I know Mother Teresa is our modern day Saint. But who else in the Church has shown signs of Sainthood in our more recent times?

We had a priest that came and visited our parish once. He was a missionary over in India and worked with children over there, terrible situations. Very sad. I met him back in the sacristy after Mass as I was the altar sever coordinator at the time and I was putting things away. I offered my help and gave him my email and address. There was something so special about this priest, I still get greetings from him.

I think the Saints in todays world have it easier in the sense that they can communicate to such a wider audience and get support and help to lands that in the past they would have never know about. In a blink of an eye, this priest sent me an email detailing everything I needed to know.

The Saints would have so much more to deal with today due to our ability to communicate and travel. These are gifts from God. We live in an amazing world today. If we can just take better care of the planet and the people in it.

Sorry if this is dis-jointed, many thoughts are pouring in right now. 🙂
 
I’m thinking of St. Peter today although I don’t really know why. Imagine Peter, brash and headstrong - yet hiding and afraid too - saying to us in one of his epistles: “It is a holy God who called you and you too must be holy in all the workings of your life.”

Don’t you LOVE that? Peter figured it out. No matter what your past might hold, aim HIGH!

PS - I figured out why Peter came to mind. I’m feeling rather blah (depleted) today.

Often when I feel all used up. Peter comes to my mind.
 
I’m thinking of St. Peter today although I don’t really know why. Imagine Peter, brash and headstrong - yet hiding and afraid too - saying to us in one of his epistles: “It is a holy God who called you and you too must be holy in all the workings of your life.”

Don’t you LOVE that? Peter figured it out. No matter what your past might hold, aim HIGH!
Catharina, I too have been thinking of St. Peter over the last week for some inexplicable reason. He strikes me as a very down to earth, real, warm and likable man. I have been thinking of him in terms of a simple message of: ‘Get back to basics everyone! Get out of the material world since its all passing soon and will profit you nothing. Love each other, help each other, support each other. There are many hardships coming and the world as you know it is soon to change forever.’

James
 
Catharina, I too have been thinking of St. Peter over the last week for some inexplicable reason. He strikes me as a very down to earth, real, warm and likable man. I have been thinking of him in terms of a simple message of: ‘Get back to basics everyone! Get out of the material world since its all passing soon and will profit you nothing. Love each other, help each other, support each other. There are many hardships coming and the world as you know it is soon to change forever.’

James
Thanks, James. Yes, it’s odd.
I added a PS to my post, expalining my train of thought.
It might be similar to yours.

Repeating it here: “PS - I figured out why Peter came to mind. I’m feeling rather blah (depleted) today. Often when I feel all used up. Peter comes to my mind.”
 
As I’m reading the latest posts, I’m thinking about something else that’s related, but completely other. When Mystical Theologians or Spiritual Theologians look at the saints or the mystical life, we’re less interested in what the person did than in his soul, even for canonization. The accomplishments or apostolic works of the saints or of mystics are the starting point that tells us a little about the soul of the person. When we’re looking at saints through the science of Mystical Theology, we’re really looking at their souls. I’m speaking about how they kept their souls alive and how they reached communion with God, because that’s the end goal of sanctity, to reach communion with God.

St. Catherine of Siena called it the Mystical Marriage. St. Teresa of Avila simply called it the union of the soul with God. St. John of the Cross called it the Ascent to Mt. Carmel, St. Francis of Assisi called it Holy Poverty and Mother Teresa called it touching Christ. Whatever you call it, it boils down to the same thing. Each of us has to find the route that will lead us to that place where we will be in communion with God without the need for anchors.

It was very interesting, as much as people like Mother Teresa, Catherine Doherty, Dorothy Day, John XXIII and John Paul II loved the Eucharist and the Church, these were means, not ends in themselves. They continued to celebrate the Eucharist, to follow and serve the Church, and to do many corporal works of mercy. However, all of these were part of a cycle. To celebrate the Eucharist worthily and serve Christ in their neighbour, they had to pray. The more time that they spent in prayer, the more intensely they felt the closeness of Christ in the sacraments, the Church and others.

Show me a person of intense prayer and I’ll show you a person on his or her way to sainthood. Intense prayer always leads us to Christ in the Eucharist, Christ in the Church and Christ in the poor. If our prayer does not lead us to the Eucharist, Church, and the poor then there is something that is interfering. This is where our search for detachment must begin.

We have to find what is interfering with our spiritual development and get rid of it. This is what Christ meant when he said “If your arm causes you to sin, cut it off.” Obviously he was speaking metaphorically. Christ would no more have us mutilate our bodies than he would ask us to mutilate another person. He is speaking about something much deeper. He’s speaking about detachment, letting go of whatever interferes with our life of prayer. Without a healthy life of prayer, we will never enter more deeply into the mystery of the Eucharist, Church and the poor.

Some of you mentioned Peter. I was speaking about how Mystical Theologians look at the soul through the works of the saint. One of our greatest mystical theologians, not the greatest, but right up there, was Silvanus, the author of Peter’s letters. Silvanus captures Peter’s soul in these letters. He truly represents Petrine spirituality and theology. The letter begins by reminding Christians to remain faithful. Fidelity was an important issue for Peter who had denied Christ three times and then was commanded three times to take care of Christ’s flock in John’s Gospel. Silvanus captures Peter’s soul. Fidelity was paramount to Peter and he passes this on to the world, the call to fidelity. At the same time, Silvanus wrote Peter’s letters from sermons that Peter preached to the Christians in Asia Minor. These Christians had been converted by Paul, but they missed their Greek customs and religious community. They felt isolated from their neighbours. Peter reminded them of Christ’s resurrection and the future hope that it provides. .

Peter is able to offer such a glimmer of hope, not because he had seen the resurrection, but because he had embraced it as a way of life. It was not just an historical event. It was a life changing event. How did it change Peter’s life? Obviously, if you see someone get up and walk around after being dead that would leave a mark in your memory. However, there was more to it. Christ tells the Apostles two important things. He commands them to forgive sins and to preach the Good News. Not only did Peter see the risen Christ, but he had a new mission. He was no longer a fisherman. He was a messenger of Good News and of God’s forgiveness and mercy. Finally, Christ said to Peter, three times, “Feed my sheep.” The fisherman is asked to take over for the Good Shepherd. Peter knew nothing about being a shepherd. He has spent his life on the water. Now his is responsible for a human community. His life is turned upside down.

The apparent simplicity of Peter is not so simple when we look at his soul. He had undergone an ontological change. He would never be the same man again. Now he had to nurture that change for the sake of those who depended on him. This is where suffering enters into the picture. The only way to nurture the change and keep it alive was to accept the change, even if it meant suffering. This is why Peter can eventually accept the cross. He becomes detached from his own past, his former identity and eventually from his physical life. Why? Because once he goes deeper and deeper into relationship with Christ, he begins to change. In the end his soul reaches the communion with Christ’s soul of which the mystics speak. That communion is signified by dying on the cross as his master had died. But Peter realized that the communion was not perfect and would not be perfected until he reached Heaven. He asks to be crucified upside down, to remind himself and the world that the final union of the soul and Christ comes in the next life.

JR 🙂
 
The apparent simplicity of Peter is not so simple when we look at his soul. He had undergone an ontological change. He would never be the same man again. Now he had to nurture that change for the sake of those who depended on him. This is where suffering enters into the picture. The only way to nurture the change and keep it alive was to accept the change, even if it meant suffering. This is why Peter can eventually accept the cross. He becomes detached from his own past, his former identity and eventually from his physical life. Why? Because once he goes deeper and deeper into relationship with Christ, he begins to change. In the end his soul reaches the communion with Christ’s soul of which the mystics speak. That communion is signified by dying on the cross as his master had died. But Peter realized that the communion was not perfect and would not be perfected until he reached Heaven. He asks to be crucified upside down, to remind himself and the world that the final union of the soul and Christ comes in the next life.

JR 🙂
As always, JR, an insightful and thought-provoking post.

Since there has been some conversation in this thread recently about Popes (namely John Paul II and Bl. John XXIII, and of course St. Peter), I thought I’d add another one to the mix (if my list of saints seems top-heavy with Popes, I’m sorry; it just seems that we have been blessed in the past few decades with an abundance of truly worthy men upon the Throne of St. Peter). Like good old JPII, he has not yet been canonized, but hopefully will be in the next few years. I am speaking of Ven. Pius XII.

The Angelic Pastor, as he was known in his time, has gotten quite a bad rap recently concerning his actions during the Holocaust, which probably prevented him from being beatified along with Pius IX and John XXIII. This is, quite simply, a tragedy, for this saintly man did more than anyone else in Europe to defend the Jews and all others who were persecuted by the Nazis. He sheltered approximately 500 in the Vatican itself, as well as several thousand at Castel Gandolfo, his summer residence. He ordered convents and monasteries around Europe to lift their cloisters in order to take in refugees, and coordinated efforts to smuggle Jewish women and children out of Europe to Palestine (Angelo Roncalli, who was at the time the nuncio to Turkey and later became Pope John XXIII, was one of the key players in this operation). When he died, the outpouring of grief from every corner of the world was of a scale that had never been seen before for a Pope, and that was not seen again until the death of John Paul II. Golda Meir, the future Israeli Prime Minister, summed up the feelings of the Jewish community with these words: ‘‘During the 10 years of Nazi terror, when our people went through the horrors of martyrdom, the Pope raised his voice to condemn the persecutors and commiserate with their victims.’’

My purpose is not to raise a polemic in defense of Pius XII; this has been done countless times on this forum, by people much more knowledgable than I. What I think is more relevant is the fact that this Pope, through his actions and statements in defense of the Jewish people, created much of the precedent for the idea of evangelization through ecumenism that was codified in Vatican II and exemplified by John Paul II, and that we have been discussing in this thread. He seemed to realize that in today’s world, the best way to spread the Gospel is through example, and through true respect for the merits of others’ sincere religious beliefs. He never prosthelytized; indeed, when a coalition of Jewish leaders visited him to thank him for his actions during the war, he came down from his throne and said to them (I’m paraphrasing), “It is I who should bow to you, for though I am merely Christ’s Vicar, you are His kith and kin!” And yet his witness to the truth of the Catholic Faith was so strong that the Chief Rabbi of Rome eventually converted, taking the name Eugenio (the Pope’s birth name) as his Baptismal name. I think this represents a perfect example of the type of witness that is desparately needed in the modern world, one that is not condemning, not judgmental, but that shows the goodness of Christ and the truth of His words through the imitation of the Good Shepherd. What Pius XII began with the Jews, John Paul II extended to all of the members of the human family, including Muslims, pagans, and even atheists.

Venerable Pius XII, pray for us!
 
Originally Posted by Jeanette L
Tough times we’re living in, the world is a cesspool right now.
I believe that our Holy Father Francis would strongly disagree with this idea. In the Canticle of the Creatures, popularly known as the Canticle to Brother Sun, our Holy Father borrows this quote from the Book of Tobias. “May Thou be praised, my Lord, with all Thy creatures” (cf. Tob. 8:7).

In speaking of the created world he includes humanity, because we too are creatures. In our Holy Father’s mind, we are to be praised, despite our sinfulness. He does not deny our sinfulness, but he focuses on the fact that we are remarkable miracles, as are the Sun and the Earth and the Universe in which we live.
Originally Posted by Anamchara
I wonder if the Saints look down at us and think you dear people have it so lucky
I seriously doubt this too. Our Holy Father also wrote the Praise of the Virtues.

**“Holy Wisdom confounds Satan and all his wickedness.

Holy Simplicity confounds all the wisdom of this world.

Holy Poverty confounds cupidity and avarice and cares of this age.

Holy Humility confounds pride and all those who are in the world.

Holy Charity confounds all the carnal temptations and carnal fears.

Holy Obedience confounds all things corporal, both carnal and one’s own willings.”**

These challenges are still present in the world today. They had it no easier and no harder than we do. The only advantage that we have, if it can be called such, is technological. The human condition as described by our Holy Father has not changed. This is why he left us these words and reminds us to practice these virtues.

JR 🙂
 
Pius XII has taken a bum rap too often. I wish we could canonize someone for the abuse that they have undergone after their death, not only while they were alive.

He has unjustly been characterized as the Silent Pope by many historians, because they would have liked to see him be confrontational with the Nazis. This would have been disastrous for both Jews and Catholics. His covert opposition to the Nazis was the most prudent action to take.

This speaks to what some Traditionalists (I really mean some) incorrectly do to this poor holy man. They quote all of his writings on liturgy and ecumenism and hold them up as fundamentalist evangelicals hold up their Bibles. But they forget that Pius XII allowed the clergy and religious to violate some serious canons in the law. My mother and her family left Europe with forged Baptismal certificates, as did thousands of Jews. This is a serious violation of Canon Law. Pius knew this was going on and looked the other way. My family left with a Spanish surname and were taken to Latin America.

The cloisters of religious in solemn vows may never be penetrated by anyone of the opposite sex. Cloisters served as hiding places for men and women in both male and female friaries and monasteries. Women were disguised as priests and men were disguised as sisters and as nuns. Impersonating a priest or a religious in solemn vows is a serious sin. Pius dispensed with this law, under the table. Some may say that he let his emotions get in the way of truth. I call it a faithful response to God’s call to mercy and evangelical justice.

Church teachings on religious freedom say that you may not force religious beliefs on anyone. Many communities of Catholics raised Jewish children as Catholics, even baptizing them. Of course these baptisms were illicit, because there was never full consent on the part of the parents. Some of the children were orphans and there were no parents to give consent. But many Catholics subscribed to the Church’s teaching that you can baptize someone in danger of death. They stretched the death thing, just slightly, because the kids were not literally on their deathbed. They did so in order to raise the children among other Catholic children without being detected or they would have been killed. Pius and his bishops looked the other way.

Pius also saw such holy Catholic men and women as Edith Stein and Maximilian Kolbe taken to concentration camps and murdered. He did not protest. He feared that any protest would endanger the lives of other Catholics in the concentration camps.

As far as ecumenism is concerned, I am going to agree with Mickey on this one. Vatican II was codified on a form of ecumenism that was already in place long before Pius XII. Pius XII was the contemporary “patriarch” of ecumenism. The Franciscans and Dominicans who came to the Americas were an older version of the same type of ecumenism. They evangelized through charity and catechesis, not through force. In fact, in the history of the Church, it has been the lay person who has used force to press Catholicism.

If anyone has sinned against false ecumenism, it has been we lay people. If we observe the great missionaries, saints and popes, they have always used great charity, humility and patience. This has been evident through people such as Thérèse of Lisieux who prayed for the missions and the conversion of all men and women and died in the 20th century, Pius XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, Mother Teresa, John Paul II, and now Benedict XVI.

JR 🙂
 
I seriously doubt this too. Our Holy Father also wrote the Praise of the Virtues.

“Holy Wisdom confounds Satan and all his wickedness.

Holy Simplicity confounds all the wisdom of this world.

Holy Poverty confounds cupidity and avarice and cares of this age.

Holy Humility confounds pride and all those who are in the world.

Holy Charity confounds all the carnal temptations and carnal fears.

Holy Obedience confounds all things corporal, both carnal and one’s own willings.”


These challenges are still present in the world today. They had it no easier and no harder than we do. The only advantage that we have, if it can be called such, is technological. The human condition as described by our Holy Father has not changed. This is why he left us these words and reminds us to practice these virtues.

JR 🙂
My comment was meant as a joke JR. 🙂 What I meant by them looking down and thinking we have it lucky is that our technology today with medicines, engineering, science in general have reached so far beyond what they would have ever imagined. Just look at our daily lives, when we are sick most of our ills are taken care of. Back then a flu or a bad tooth could mean a death sentence, just infection in general. As recent as the 1930s my mother had whooping cough which there was no cure, she still has the scars on her lungs from this. Mental illness and disablities we know so much more about today, although not enough, my daughter suffers from terrible LD.

I was thinking on a very small scale, everyday living.

I’m pretty sure they think it’s cool that we have toothpaste now instead of using ashes to brush one’s teeth 😉 😃

I didn’t mean to imply we are free from illness. AIDS comes to mind, cancer etc. My daughter has epilesy about which they still do not know enough about. We just saw the neurogolist today as a matter of fact and he was filling us on the lastest technology they are working on. Amazing.

However, my point about every generation having problems and evil falls right into the point you are making. We are in full agreement my friend.

I was trying to touch on the thread topic of how the Saints would live in todays world, I realize it wasn’t as deep as this thread’s tone. I was looking at this in a more tangible physical way. A bit lighter I suppose.

On a side note… some lyrics just came to mind from Jesus Christ SuperStar which sort of fits into what I was thinking about.
Judas sings to Christ in the song SuperStar:

"Now why’d you choose such a backward time
And such a strange land?

If you’d come today
You could have reached the whole nation
Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication"

This makes me think about what Saints can do today and what they are doing because of the time they are living in.

Anyway, sorry I’m not being very deep here. 🤓
 
My comment was meant as a joke JR. 🙂 What I meant by them looking down and thinking we have it lucky is that our technology today with medicines, engineering, science in general have reached so far beyond what they would have ever imagined. Just look at our daily lives, when we are sick most of our ills are taken care of. Back then a flu or a bad tooth could mean a death sentence, just infection in general. As recent as the 1930s my mother had whooping cough which there was no cure, she still has the scars on her lungs from this. Mental illness and disablities we know so much more about today, although not enough, my daughter suffers from terrible LD.
Don’t worry about that, many saints were LD 🙂
I’m pretty sure they think it’s cool that we have toothpaste now instead of using ashes to brush one’s teeth 😉 😃
That was pretty gross. When they uncovered the body of St. Clare, he had no teeth. Her body has been preserved for 750 years, but apparently she had lost most of her teeth due to tooth decay. I guess they didn’t make ashes with fluoride. 😉
I was trying to touch on the thread topic of how the Saints would live in todays world, I realize it wasn’t as deep as this thread’s tone. I was looking at this in a more tangible physical way. A bit lighter I suppose.
I get you now.
On a side note… some lyrics just came to mind from Jesus Christ SuperStar which sort of fits into what I was thinking about.
Judas sings to Christ in the song SuperStar:

"Now why’d you choose such a backward time
And such a strange land?

If you’d come today
You could have reached the whole nation
Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication"
This makes me think about what Saints can do today and what they are doing because of the time they are living in.
That certainly brings back memories of yerstyears. Suddenly I feel old. My favourite of those plays was Godspel (sp?)

JR 🙂
 
Now we are taking a trip down memory lane. Who said the seventies were a total loss? 😃
 
If anyone has sinned against false ecumenism, it has been we lay people. If we observe the great missionaries, saints and popes, they have always used great charity, humility and patience. This has been evident through people such as Thérèse of Lisieux who prayed for the missions and the conversion of all men and women and died in the 20th century, Pius XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, Mother Teresa, John Paul II, and now Benedict XVI.

JR 🙂
This makes me think about my own inner turmoil since converting to the Church. I have a tendency to want to shake people 😊 into understanding the beauty of the Catholic faith I have discovered and love, I think that’s the former Fundamentalist mentality trying to rear it’s ugly head and exert itself. :eek: That’s not always a good approach. 😛

I have had to learn to take upon myself the quiet way, (which I think you all can imagine is very difficult for me :rolleyes: ) trying to let the Holy Spirit work through love instead of argument.
 
Still considering Peter:
“It is a holy God Who called you and you too must be perfect in all the workings of your life.”

and now too, this from Our Lord: (Matthew 5:48)
“So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

Considering this requires such a stretch for me, in this sense. Be PERFECT? HOW?

All I can answer is that each of us is an un-repeatable creation. So there is a level of desired perfection, willed by God, for each of us as individuals. We are to attain that, through the grace of God and with our own cooperation.

Doe that seem to make sense?
 
Still considering Peter:
“It is a holy God Who called you and you too must be perfect in all the workings of your life.”

and now too, this from Our Lord: (Matthew 5:48)
“So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

Considering this requires such a stretch for me, in this sense. Be PERFECT? HOW?

All I can answer is that each of us is an un-repeatable creation. So there is a level of desired perfection, willed by God, for each of us as individuals. We are to attain that, through the grace of God and with our own cooperation.

Doe that seem to make sense?
if i may comment here…
in reading jesus’ conversation with nicodemus in john 3, jesus talks about men loving the darkness rather than the light. man does not want his deeds exposed. but those that live in the light, their deeds are clearly seen.

i read a commentary on this, and hopefully the majority of us here aren’t down right evil, but we all have some part of ourselves concealed from others and even from ourselves.

i think that bringing ourselves completely into the light, nothing concealed, is a huge step towards that perfection. part of letting go, i guess.
 
Still considering Peter:
“It is a holy God Who called you and you too must be perfect in all the workings of your life.”

and now too, this from Our Lord: (Matthew 5:48)
“So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

Considering this requires such a stretch for me, in this sense. Be PERFECT? HOW?

All I can answer is that each of us is an un-repeatable creation. So there is a level of desired perfection, willed by God, for each of us as individuals. We are to attain that, through the grace of God and with our own cooperation.

Doe that seem to make sense?
if i may comment here…
in reading jesus’ conversation with nicodemus in john 3, jesus talks about men loving the darkness rather than the light. man does not want his deeds exposed. but those that live in the light, their deeds are clearly seen.

i read a commentary on this, and hopefully the majority of us here aren’t down right evil, but we all have some part of ourselves concealed from others and even from ourselves.

i think that bringing ourselves completely into the light, nothing concealed, is a huge step towards that perfection. part of letting go, i guess.
Ooooh, I like this. Together, they give us a beautiful picture. 🙂

Great posts ladies. A lot to think on today. 👍
 
And yet his witness to the truth of the Catholic Faith was so strong that the Chief Rabbi of Rome eventually converted, taking the name Eugenio (the Pope’s birth name) as his Baptismal name. I think this represents a perfect example of the type of witness that is desperately needed in the modern world, one that is not condemning, not judgmental, but that shows the goodness of Christ and the truth of His words through the imitation of the Good Shepherd. What Pius XII began with the Jews, John Paul II extended to all of the members of the human family, including Muslims, pagans, and even atheists.

Venerable Pius XII, pray for us!
I went back and read through a bit more of both your post and RJ’s. This is interesting and now has me curious about reading more on this subject. I’ve seen far too many accused of indifferentism, relativism. (Those are way over used terms on Catholic message boards) Even when the person is just showing charity toward another faith. I’ve been accused of this myself because I won’t spout at every turn “we are the one true Church, everyone else is not making into heaven”. No I won’t do this. I think there are other ways to guide people toward our faith.

It’s a relief to read that I am not alone in my thinking in terms of being non-judgmental, charitable, instead toward other faiths.

I’ll have to go and read more on this. Thanks 🙂
 
Has anyone on this thread read the following book yet?

A Life with Karol
by Stanislaw Cardinal Dziwisz

I’ve just begun it and am enjoying it SO much.
 
Has anyone on this thread read the following book yet?

A Life with Karol
by Stanislaw Cardinal Dziwisz

I’ve just begun it and am enjoying it SO much.
No, I haven’t. Is it new on the market? I just got Peggy Noonan’s book, but haven’t cracked it open yet, there’s only so many books you can read at one time…and post also. 😃
 
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