Saints: How Would They Live In Today's World?

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Quoting Jeanette -
If we don’t have that blessed hope, then we lose the joy of our salvation, which is our light in the darkness around us. It is the abiding witness that will speak to a world filled with hopelessness.
I was reading something akin to the above thought I think from Pope Benedict the other day. I’ll have a look in my files and see if I can find it and post it into this thread, linking it up to your post, Jeanette…Blessings and regards…Barb:)
 
Quoting Jeanette -

I was reading something akin to the above thought I think from Pope Benedict the other day. I’ll have a look in my files and see if I can find it and post it into this thread, linking it up to your post, Jeanette…Blessings and regards…Barb:)
Oh, please do! 🙂
 
Oh, please do! 🙂
👍 …Thank you!..say a little prayer to St. Anthony I can find it - either my search skills are poor or my Search Facility is. I sure hope I can find it and it might take a bit of time to get round to a search…Blessings…regards…Barb:)
 
Joysong, re St. Francis de Sales, I’ve been meaning to post this quote for you.
I got it from a friend who has great devotion to him:
“Friendships begun in this world will be taken up again, never to be broken off.”
Beautiful! When I read the words, it really touched my heartstrings, for some unknown reason. Probably also, it was your kindness in sending it to me. 🙂

I had a bad couple of days prior to reading this, thinking about my husband who died a few months ago. One never forgets, and time sometimes increases the longing to be reunited … which will be a certainty one day in heaven, never to be broken off!

Carole
 
I had a bad couple of days prior to reading this, thinking about my husband who died a few months ago. One never forgets, and time sometimes increases the longing to be reunited … which will be a certainty one day in heaven, never to be broken off!
Saddened to read this, Carole…I did not know. May The Lord be your every comfort and consolation and hold you close until you meet your husband again in our eternal home…Blessings and with my regards…Barb
 
Thank you for your sweet comfort, Barb. The one thing that has quickened me spiritually through this, is to realize the deep grief that others suffer when they lose a spouse of many years. I never knew how much it hurts, because I hadn’t experienced it personally. Everywhere I look in my surroundings, I see his mark on something he did for me.

I hope this teaches me to reach out to others with more compassion than I ever had prior to my own encounter with death. While these people ‘seem’ like life goes on, and all is well, they really feel the loss in their private moments. Just a card, a phone call, a visit, can perhaps be a lift to say we are thinking about them. I don’t know yet, for it has only been since October, but maybe as time goes on, the keenness is lessened a bit.

God bless you!

Carole
 
Barb,

I tried to respond, but received a message that your inbox has reached its limit. You may want to store some of these in a separate folder and make room for messages.

Thanks,
Carole
 
Barb,

I tried to respond, but received a message that your inbox has reached its limit. You may want to store some of these in a separate folder and make room for messages.

Thanks,
Carole
Sorry Carole!:o …I do have Folders, I just keep forgetting to transfer from the Inbox and also from my Sent PM’s into the folders. All clear now!!! …Blessings and regards…Barb:)
 
Beautiful! When I read the words, it really touched my heartstrings, for some unknown reason. Probably also, it was your kindness in sending it to me. 🙂

I had a bad couple of days prior to reading this, thinking about my husband who died a few months ago. One never forgets, and time sometimes increases the longing to be reunited … which will be a certainty one day in heaven, never to be broken off!

Carole
Carole, How kind of you to say so much. I offer my deepest sympathy at the loss of your husband. I do know that loss is very hard in life. It’s lovely though and a blessing of faith when any of us is called to make the bit of effort to reach out even with a word that might bring comfort. I didn’t know that you’ve lost your husband but I’ve lost a dear brother in the past two months and I’ve managed to force myself to stay in close touch with my precious sister-in-law. I say ‘force myself’ because I’ve had a few months of poor health since his death and have been a tiny bit withdrawn in keeping up with everyone, in my family and even on site. Nonetheless, I’ve stayed in weekly contact with my SIL and she says it means a lot to her.

She and my brother had a late-in-life marraige that was profoundly happy. They were true friends and partners. My SIL is a Quaker from an old Quaker family in the South and yet she’s taught in Catholic high schools for twenty years now. She arranged for my brother’s beautiful funeral Mass and two of her brothers and SILs came in from the Deep South to attend with us. Having heard from you how the quote from Francis De Sales touched you, I guess I’ll go ahead on and send the same to my sister-in-law.

Again, my sympathy and my thanks to you. Kathy
 
👍 …Thank you!..say a little prayer to St. Anthony I can find it - either my search skills are poor or my Search Facility is. I sure hope I can find it and it might take a bit of time to get round to a search…Blessings…regards…Barb:)
I am completely in touch with your dilemma! lol Here’s praying you get some help from our dear Saints and angels. 😃
 
Oh, please do! 🙂
Shame on me as I haven’t read it but I remember that Pope John Paul II also presented a work called “Crossing the Threshhold of Hope” and it was published in 1994. Below, I’ve quoted (in part) a review by a teacher of religion at Smith College, Philip Zaleski.

from

leaderu.com/ftissues/ft0003/articles/johnpaul2.html

" … What is it about this book—cast in the form of written questions from Italian journalist Vittorio Messori and written answers by the Pope—that leads so many to treasure it? The reasons, as one might expect, are manifold. As I discovered when I used it last year in a college seminar for first–year students, Crossing the Threshold of Hope is a splendid distillation of Catholic thought, the Catechism in miniature, the essential teachings of the world’s largest religious body distilled into 244 elegant pages.

But catechetical summaries, while often valuable, are not unique. This book’s originality lies elsewhere, in the Pope’s willingness to roll up his sleeves and engage in deep, direct conversation with the modern world. He ranges through anthropology, cosmology, Christology, eschatology, psychology; communism, socialism, missionary activity, ecumenism; the thought of Levinas, Eliade, Marx, Buber, Rosenzweig. There is not a whiff of dilettantism here. The Pope has immersed himself in these thinkers (one remembers that he entered one of the 1978 Vatican conclaves with a book of Marxist ethics tucked under his arm), and what emerges is an invaluable effort to measure the last half–millennium, and our century in particular, against the eternal truths of God. Always the Pope subordinates politics to culture, culture to cult. The foundation and final measure remains God, whose action “passes through the heart of man and through the history of humanity.” I don’t know if John Paul II has read the mission statement of First Things, which states that “the first meaning of First Things is that, for the sake of both religion and public life, religion must be given priority,” but I suspect that he would heartily approve.

The book crackles with a vitality that, twenty years into his papacy, one takes for granted with John Paul II. One finds this energy in the declaration that began his reign and begins this book: “Be not afraid!” One finds it in the exhilaration that courses through the text, the sense that totalitarianism and atheism are on the run and that the future brims with hope for Christians, indeed for all men and women of good will. One finds it in the Pope’s bold overtures here toward the Church’s traditional enemies, as when he speaks kindly of Islam even while some Muslims continue to persecute Christian missionaries. One finds it, too, in his willingness to speak his mind at the expense of controversy, for instance in his remarks about Buddhism’s “negative soteriology” or in his insistence upon separating Jesus from all other religious figures: “If he were only a wise man like Socrates, if he were a ‘prophet’ like Muhammad, if he were ‘enlightened’ like Buddha, without any doubt he would not be what he is. He is the one mediator between God and humanity.”

Above all, however, this book haunts its readers because at its center lies the mystery of the papacy. It is difficult to read it without the impression that when the Pope speaks, the other 264 occupants of the Holy See speak with him. One senses, to get right to the heart of the matter, the presence of Peter. The text radiates an authority quite different from that of an encyclical or other official teaching document: it has a power grounded not only in the office but in the man who fills it, in a life lived close to eternal verities. John Paul II speaks here of the blood of the martyrs as “the foundation of a new world, a new Europe, and a new civilization.” It is not too much to say that his own long reign as Pope—in its own way a slow–motion martyrdom, an era of prodigious labor, great suffering, and glorious vitality—has also contributed, not least through this marvelous book, to laying the foundation for this new world and for its bounty, the civilization of love."
 
Beautiful! When I read the words, it really touched my heartstrings, for some unknown reason. Probably also, it was your kindness in sending it to me. 🙂

I had a bad couple of days prior to reading this, thinking about my husband who died a few months ago. One never forgets, and time sometimes increases the longing to be reunited … which will be a certainty one day in heaven, never to be broken off!

Carole
I too, am deeply sorry for your loss and pain. And here are the words from St. Paul to help ease our grief:

*We do not want you to be unaware, brothers, about those who have fallen asleep, so that you may not grieve like the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose, so too will God, through Jesus, bring with him those who have fallen asleep. Indeed we tell you this on the word of the Lord that we who are alive who are left until the coming of the Lord will surely not precede those who have fallen asleep.

Therefore console one another with these words.
*
I Thessalonians 4:13-15, 18

Blessing Carole.
 
Shame on me as I haven’t read it but I remember that Pope John Paul II also presented a work called “Crossing the Threshhold of Hope” and it was published in 1994. Below, I’ve quoted (in part) a review by a teacher of religion at Smith College, Philip Zaleski.

from

leaderu.com/ftissues/ft0003/articles/johnpaul2.html

" … What is it about this book—cast in the form of written questions from Italian journalist Vittorio Messori and written answers by the Pope—that leads so many to treasure it? The reasons, as one might expect, are manifold. As I discovered when I used it last year in a college seminar for first–year students, Crossing the Threshold of Hope is a splendid distillation of Catholic thought, the Catechism in miniature, the essential teachings of the world’s largest religious body distilled into 244 elegant pages.

But catechetical summaries, while often valuable, are not unique. This book’s originality lies elsewhere, in the Pope’s willingness to roll up his sleeves and engage in deep, direct conversation with the modern world. He ranges through anthropology, cosmology, Christology, eschatology, psychology; communism, socialism, missionary activity, ecumenism; the thought of Levinas, Eliade, Marx, Buber, Rosenzweig. There is not a whiff of dilettantism here. The Pope has immersed himself in these thinkers (one remembers that he entered one of the 1978 Vatican conclaves with a book of Marxist ethics tucked under his arm), and what emerges is an invaluable effort to measure the last half–millennium, and our century in particular, against the eternal truths of God. Always the Pope subordinates politics to culture, culture to cult. The foundation and final measure remains God, whose action “passes through the heart of man and through the history of humanity.” I don’t know if John Paul II has read the mission statement of First Things, which states that “the first meaning of First Things is that, for the sake of both religion and public life, religion must be given priority,” but I suspect that he would heartily approve.

The book crackles with a vitality that, twenty years into his papacy, one takes for granted with John Paul II. One finds this energy in the declaration that began his reign and begins this book: “Be not afraid!” One finds it in the exhilaration that courses through the text, the sense that totalitarianism and atheism are on the run and that the future brims with hope for Christians, indeed for all men and women of good will. One finds it in the Pope’s bold overtures here toward the Church’s traditional enemies, as when he speaks kindly of Islam even while some Muslims continue to persecute Christian missionaries. One finds it, too, in his willingness to speak his mind at the expense of controversy, for instance in his remarks about Buddhism’s “negative soteriology” or in his insistence upon separating Jesus from all other religious figures: “If he were only a wise man like Socrates, if he were a ‘prophet’ like Muhammad, if he were ‘enlightened’ like Buddha, without any doubt he would not be what he is. He is the one mediator between God and humanity.”

Above all, however, this book haunts its readers because at its center lies the mystery of the papacy. It is difficult to read it without the impression that when the Pope speaks, the other 264 occupants of the Holy See speak with him. One senses, to get right to the heart of the matter, the presence of Peter. The text radiates an authority quite different from that of an encyclical or other official teaching document: it has a power grounded not only in the office but in the man who fills it, in a life lived close to eternal verities. John Paul II speaks here of the blood of the martyrs as “the foundation of a new world, a new Europe, and a new civilization.” It is not too much to say that his own long reign as Pope—in its own way a slow–motion martyrdom, an era of prodigious labor, great suffering, and glorious vitality—has also contributed, not least through this marvelous book, to laying the foundation for this new world and for its bounty, the civilization of love."
🙂 Wonderful Catherina! Thank you. I had started watching Fr. Pacwa’s program on EWTN on this book, I know it’s been running a couple of years now, it is a very long ‘course’ unpacking all JPII’s teachings in this one masterpiece, but somehow I lost track of it in my schedule. I should get back to that, you have inspired me. 😃
 
I am completely in touch with your dilemma! lol Here’s praying you get some help from our dear Saints and angels. 😃
I think I just may need a miracle through our saints and angels, Jeannette, although I have not given up yet. And still asking St. Anthony to find it for me. Just spent 20 mins. searching with no luck and am convinced if I knew how to use the jolly advanced search properly all would fall into place!!! I am sure it came through Zenit but I must be wrong. I only read it a couple of days ago!!! But as I say I have not given up yet, and will resume my search tomorrow. 11pm:eek: of all things here and long past my bedtime…Blessings and regards…Barb:)
 
I think I just may need a miracle through our saints and angels, Jeannette, although I have not given up yet. And still asking St. Anthony to find it for me. Just spent 20 mins. searching with no luck and am convinced if I knew how to use the jolly advanced search properly all would fall into place!!! I am sure it came through Zenit but I must be wrong. I only read it a couple of days ago!!! But as I say I have not given up yet, and will resume my search tomorrow. 11pm:eek: of all things here and long past my bedtime…Blessings and regards…Barb:)
Good heavens, Barbara Therese, you’ve re-defined “it’s a small world” for me. It’s nearly 7am here and for Jeanette, it must be close to 11am. (I’m guessing.) WOW.
 
🙂 Wonderful Catherina! Thank you. I had started watching Fr. Pacwa’s program on EWTN on this book, I know it’s been running a couple of years now, it is a very long ‘course’ unpacking all JPII’s teachings in this one masterpiece, but somehow I lost track of it in my schedule. I should get back to that, you have inspired me. 😃
:mad: And why I can’t bring myself to spell your name right even one time is beyond me! :rolleyes:

So sorry. 😊
 
Good heavens, Barbara Therese, you’ve re-defined “it’s a small world” for me. It’s nearly 7am here and for Jeanette, it must be close to 11am. (I’m guessing.) WOW.
Almost 10 am and still yawning over here. One more cup of jo and I’ll be good. 😛
 
I too, am deeply sorry for your loss and pain. And here are the words from St. Paul to help ease our grief:

We do not want you to be unaware, brothers, about those who have fallen asleep, so that you may not grieve like the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose, so too will God, through Jesus, bring with him those who have fallen asleep. Indeed we tell you this on the word of the Lord that we who are alive who are left until the coming of the Lord will surely not precede those who have fallen asleep.

Therefore console one another with these words.

I Thessalonians 4:13-15, 18

Blessing Carole.
Jeanette. I often remember this quote.

It means a lot to me in that we “needn’t grieve like those who have no hope.”

Thanks.
 
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