Saints: How Would They Live In Today's World?

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Mother Teresa started our her religious life with the Loretto Order in Rathfarnham in Dublin, where my daughters went to school. We are proud of that, It is not uncommon for Religious to change from one Order to another if they feel they can fufill their vocation better in another direction which obviously Mother Teresa thought she could. and oh how she did!
I think one of the most touching sights I ever saw in my life was Pope John Paul11 and Mother Teresa walking along holding hands together. Two - to be Saints of our time together.
God Bless Margaret.
 
Mother Teresa started our her religious life with the Loretto Order in Rathfarnham in Dublin, where my daughters went to school. We are proud of that, It is not uncommon for Religious to change from one Order to another if they feel they can fufill their vocation better in another direction which obviously Mother Teresa thought she could. and oh how she did!
I think one of the most touching sights I ever saw in my life was Pope John Paul11 and Mother Teresa walking along holding hands together. Two - to be Saints of our time together.
God Bless Margaret.
Let’s thank Margaret for this beautiful reminder of Mother Teresa’s fidelity to God’s call and her humility. It takes a great deal of faith and humility to give up a way of life for another, because you believe this is the will of God. This kind of confidence in Divine Providence requires not only belief in Providence, but a very special relationship with Providence that takes place through prayer, scripture, sacraments and trust in the Church. In the end, it was the Church that had to approve Mother Teresa’s calling out of the Sisters of Loretto to the streets of Calcutta, without knowing if this was going to work or not.

Mother’s case demonstrates her great faith in God’s Providence and her faith in the Church. It was not as easy as saying to her sisters, “I’m out of here.” She lived with these women and shared their spiritual gifts and goals. These were her only family. She had left her family behind in Europe. Now she had to leave her family again. This time she would be alone on the streets of a major metropolis with all of its misery and dangers. The Church’s approval also shows the Church’s great love for Christ and its faith in the action of the Holly Spirit. Mother’s patience as she waited for the Church, shows her love for the Church and the realization that if God is truly speaking to us, he will do it through the Church, not through a unilateral decision as some people have done during the history of the Church.

Mother is not alone in this. There have been several saints who became saints because they followed a call within a call. St. Bonaventure was a secular priest who entered religious life, the Franciscan Order. St. Dominnic was a Canon Regular who left his Augustinian community to found the Order of Friar Preachers. St. John Neuman was another secular priest who left the secular world to enter religious life. He became a Redemptorist. John XXIII was a secular priest who became a Secular Franciscan. St. Teresa of Avila eventually had to leave the Carmelite Order and to become a member of the new Discalced Carmelites that she founded. St. Rita and St. Elizabeth Ann Seton are two of many women who left the married life behind to join the religious life. These two remarkable women were mothers and religious.

There is always the possibility that within the life we are living God calls us to do something that is out of the ordinary for that lifestyle, but not in conflict with it. Today’s saints must be open to those calls that Christ makes to us with the changing times.

JR 🙂
 
The world is so very different today. We need great saints so I’d say St. Peter and St. Paul. Need very hard works to change this world. 🙂

I like St. Therese little ways also. Little but huge. :confused: The word “little” has something huge inside it. Poorly explained but I hope you get my point. 🙂 It is not little by little the world will change but through this little, in one glance the world will change.

Another is St. Faustina’s trust in God and struggle for perfection. 👍
I think we have seen some of those, although not yet cannonized. 😉

John Paul II and Benedict XVI are going to have profound impact on the Christian faith in our time.

Little is big! The least among us will be the greatest. It is a theme that we see over and over again.

Great insight. Great post! 🙂
 
A favorite Blessed, special to me since I knew her (as a Venerable) in my childhood.

Today - HER FEAST!

July 14, 2008

Blessed Kateri Tekakwitha (1656-1680)

The blood of martyrs is the seed of saints. Nine years after the Jesuits Isaac Jogues and John de Brébeuf were tortured to death by Huron and Iroquois Indians, a baby girl was born near the place of their martyrdom, Auriesville, New York. She was to be the first person born in North America to be beatified.

Her mother was a Christian Algonquin, taken captive by the Iroquois and given as wife to the chief of the Mohawk clan, the boldest and fiercest of the Five Nations. When she was four, Kateri lost her parents and little brother in a smallpox epidemic that left her disfigured and half blind. She was adopted by an uncle, who succeeded her father as chief. He hated the coming of the Blackrobes (missionaries), but could do nothing to them because a peace treaty with the French required their presence in villages with Christian captives. She was moved by the words of three Blackrobes who lodged with her uncle, but fear of him kept her from seeking instruction. She refused to marry a Mohawk brave and at 19 finally got the courage to take the step of converting. She was baptized with the name Kateri (Catherine) on Easter Sunday.

Now she would be treated as a slave. Because she would not work on Sunday, she received no food that day. Her life in grace grew rapidly. She told a missionary that she often meditated on the great dignity of being baptized. She was powerfully moved by God’s love for human beings and saw the dignity of each of her people.

She was always in danger, for her conversion and holy life created great opposition. On the advice of a priest, she stole away one night and began a 200-mile walking journey to a Christian Indian village at Sault St. Louis, near Montreal.

For three years she grew in holiness under the direction of a priest and an older Iroquois woman, giving herself totally to God in long hours of prayer, in charity and in strenuous penance. At 23 she took a vow of virginity, an unprecedented act for an Indian woman, whose future depended on being married. She found a place in the woods where she could pray an hour a day—and was accused of meeting a man there!

Her dedication to virginity was instinctive: She did not know about religious life for women until she visited Montreal. Inspired by this, she and two friends wanted to start a community, but the local priest dissuaded her. She humbly accepted an “ordinary” life. She practiced extremely severe fasting as penance for the conversion of her nation. She died the afternoon before Holy Thursday. Witnesses said that her emaciated face changed color and became like that of a healthy child. The lines of suffering, even the pockmarks, disappeared and the touch of a smile came upon her lips. She was beatified in 1980.

Comment:

We like to think that our proposed holiness is thwarted by our situation. If only we could have more solitude, less opposition, better health. Kateri repeats the example of the saints: Holiness thrives on the cross, anywhere. Yet she did have what Christians—all people—need: the support of a community. She had a good mother, helpful priests, Christian friends. These were present in what we call primitive conditions, and blossomed in the age-old Christian triad of prayer, fasting and alms: union with God in Jesus and the Spirit, self-discipline and often suffering, and charity for her brothers and sisters.

Quote:
Kateri said: “I am not my own; I have given myself to Jesus. He must be my only love. The state of helpless poverty that may befall me if I do not marry does not frighten me. All I need is a little food and a few pieces of clothing. With the work of my hands I shall always earn what is necessary and what is left over I’ll give to my relatives and to the poor. If I should become sick and unable to work, then I shall be like the Lord on the cross. He will have mercy on me and help me, I am sure.”

(from a Francsican site)
 
I just love and hold dear to my heart ~~Mother Teresa of Calcutta’s Prayer~~ 🙂

People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered;
…Forgive them anyway.
If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives;
…Be kind anyway.
If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies;
…Succeed anyway.
If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you;
…Be honest and frank anyway.
What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight;
…Build anyway.
If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous;
…Be happy anyway.
The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow;
…Do good anyway.
Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough;
…Give the world the best you’ve got anyway.
You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God;
It was never between you and them anyway.
 
Thanks for posting that quote from Mother. It is so sad to see this remarkable and holy woman maligned even by Catholics. I saw a post on CAF where the poster doubted her beatification because in his opinion she was a relativist. She prayed with Muslims and Hindus and she called Muslims and Hindus to be good Muslims and good Hindus.

I’m halfway through her private writings which have been made public until now. For those who are interested, the book is Mother Teresa: Come Be My Light by Brian Kolodiejchuk, MC. Don’t ask me to pronounce this man’s last name, LOL.

When you read her journals you can’t help but be moved by her love for souls and her desire for the conversion of the world. What people often fail to see is her soul. They hear her quoted out of context and they run with that. We tend to live in a society that expels intelligence. Not only was Mother a woman of God, she was an intelligent woman of God. God forbid that a woman be intelligent!

Mother’s writings clearly demonstrate her desire to convert all people to believe in Jesus and to accept him as their Lord and Saviour. However, she also understood her surroundings. During the Middle Ages the Church had launched several campaigns against the Moors in the Middle East. She had also engaged in wars with the Ottoman Empire. Neither campaign was successful. The Ottoman Empire seceded from the Church and the Muslims did conquer the Middle East.

Being a prior social studies teacher and high school principal, Mother knew that these campaigns had failed. You could not conquer the Eastern world through force or through words. You could only conquer it through the heart. When asked why she cared about Muslim and Hindu people who were hungry or dying she always responded, “I only see Jesus.” Like her model, Francis of Assisi, she preached the Christian faith and used words only when necessary. Even then, she was always to the point. The point was Jesus.

Not only did she pray for the conversion of souls, she rescued people from the misery that often leads souls to despair and sin. She rescued people from isolation and abandonment. She preached Christ’s presence by touching Christ’s wounds in the people she cared for and she never kept it a secret that she was a Christian and a Catholic Sister. Everyone knew that she came in Christ’s name to smile upon them. Her smile was her tool.

Mother also understood that she had a responsibility to the few Christians in India and other parts of the world not to compromise their safety. It would have been folly to go on a preaching campaign against Islam or Hinduism in a society that was in conflict with the Christian world. Lives could have been lost. Christ did not choose her to bring more bloodshed into the world. He called her to heal his bleeding wounds, by touching the wounds of the suffering and he would provide the grace of conversion through her work and her life of contemplation.

We too can take Mother’s mission into the world. We do not have to use words to bring others to conversion. People like Francis of Assisi, Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II brought more souls to Christ through their simplicity, joy, charity and intense prayer life and penance than most preachers do through great sermons.

Words are quickly forgotten, but kindness leaves an indelible mark on the person who is touched by the heart of Christ’s mercy. We need not assume that Islam and Hinduism are equal to Christianity. That would be false. But we can take the message of Christ into the world as Mother did. Christ is thirsty for souls. But those souls will not come unless they have someone to follow. We are called to be the prophets whom those souls will follow to Christ. Mother knew that all of us can be prophets, not just her sisters. Her sisters were to be examples of prophetic voices in the world.

What good is having examples in the Church, if we Catholics are going to admire them from a distance, instead of imitating them?

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
Pondering the title of this thread this afternoon, it occurred to me that it could be a really, really big surprise to us how some of our saints are living in our world today. St. Therese of Lisieux living in an unknown Carmelite Convent a quite ordinary life of a Carmelite nun with nothing remarkable about that life to her fellow sisters, burst in upon us like a breathing of fresh air into the whole Church. Mother Teresa of Calcutta lived a completely different very public holy life, and was as famous as St. Francis of Assisi in her and our own day - and she burst in upon us like another breathing of fresh air. We were really unprepared for the great Messenger of All Embracing Mercy of The Lord in St. Faustina and her remarkable life of mystical experiences and conversations with The Lord shared with us in her diaries. This too swept through The Church breathing like the freshest of airs. Yep! we just may be very surprised to find how our modern day saints are actually living in our day. Our God of the Surprise!. Dear Lord, please grant to us great and humble saints amongst our laity - and the parents of St. Therese spring to mind - to inspire us and be role models for us breathing through The Church the freshest of air of The Holy Spirit and a new message to your lay people that we may “Sing The Lord a new song”…
Isaias 42
*
Sing ye to the Lord a new song, his praise is from the ends of the earth: you that go down to the sea, and all that are therein: ye islands, and ye inhabitants of them.*

…Blessings - Barb:)
 
wildleafblower, this might be one of my favorite threads. It’s so delightful to see it renewed now and then. Regarding Mother Teresa, truly not enough can be said of her virtue and endless perserverance. That we were graced to witness her life in our own times gives wirness to the living reality of Christ’s Mystical Body and His (our) precious Church.
 
I just love and hold dear to my heart ~~Mother Teresa of Calcutta’s Prayer~~ 🙂

People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered;
…Forgive them anyway.
If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives;
…Be kind anyway.
If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies;
…Succeed anyway.
If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you;
…Be honest and frank anyway.
What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight;
…Build anyway.
If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous;
…Be happy anyway.
The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow;
…Do good anyway.
Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough;
…Give the world the best you’ve got anyway.
You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God;
It was never between you and them anyway.
🙂 I had to copy this into an email and send it to some friends. It got many great responses. Thanks for passing it along. It was a blessing to many today.
 
What good is having examples in the Church, if we Catholics are going to admire them from a distance, instead of imitating them?

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
JR, what you wrote especially brings to mind a few quotes that I absolutely would love to imitate:D that are of Mother Teresa when she was interviewed by Edward W. Desmond in 1989 for an article in Time magazine:

Time: People who work with you say that you are unstoppable. You always get what you want.
Mother Teresa: That’s right. All for Jesus.
Time: And if they have a problem with that?
Mother Teresa: For example, I went to a person recently who would not give me what I needed. I said God bless you, and I went on. He called me back and said what would you say if I give you that thing. I said I will give you a “God bless you” and a big smile. That is all. So he said then come, I will give it to you. We must live the simplicity of the Gospel.

JR, I think that I may possibly need Mother Teresa’s quotes in the near future.😉

Catharina, JeanetteL, and Barbara Teresa, thank you! As a woman too I appreciate the support of my dear sisters in Christ. Though the Mother Teresa of Calcutta’s Prayer was found on the Internet and is ever so slightly different than what appears on the wall of Shishu Bhavan, the children’s home in Calcutta, I know Mother Teresa is smiling down on us with profound love. Nuns tend to agree that joy is love, prayer, and strength.

God Bless you all 😃 You have opened a door for me and welcomed me in. I hope to return later this month to celebrate here with you the birthday of Mother Teresa.

Several presents for everyone . . .
With the following words Mother used to describe the unity that exists between the different branches within the family of the Missionaries of Charity:
**Missionaries of Charity.
Five wounds of Jesus.
In one Body Jesus.
The two wounds in the Hands.
Sisters and Brothers - Active.
Serving with active love the Poor.
The two wounds in the Feet.
Sisters and Brothers - Contemplative
Going in search of souls by their word, prayer and penance.
The Wound in the Sacred Heart of Jesus.
The Priests - Satiating the Thirst of Jesus
By having (loving) their Priesthood
by completing the work of the Sisters and Brothers –
of the Poor they serve.
That is why to show and live fully that
oneness we light five lights at Adoration,
each separately – yet adoring one Jesus –
by the one M.C. Society – Sisters, Brothers, Fathers
make one Body Jesus.
One way, one life,
working at the salvation and sanctification
of the Poorest of the Poor.
To be able to do this -
we need a deep life of prayer, community life,
together with the material and spiritual service
of the Poorest of the Poor.**
M. Teresa, MC
mcpriests.com/11_formula.htm
http://www.mcpriests.com/11_formula.htm
"Jesus is God, therefore His love, His Thirst, is infinite. He the creator of the universe, asked for the love of His creatures. He thirst for our love… These words: ‘I Thirst’ – Do they echo in our souls?”Mother Teresa

I Thirst for You "Behold, I stand at the door and knock… (Rev. 3, 20)
mcpriests.com/03_I_thirst_PrayerEN.htm
http://www.mcpriests.com/03_I_thirst_PrayerEN.htm
 
Saints they did respect the name of GOD they did not call him Crazy! The only person who will call GOD or even a person “CRAZY” is the deciever. The deciever will even speaks the words that GOD’s used to mislead the people of GOD. Saints they are aware of the name Jesus, Mary… etc. even the name “Emmanuel”
 
Thanks for posting that quote from Mother. It is so sad to see this remarkable and holy woman maligned even by Catholics. I saw a post on CAF where the poster doubted her beatification because in his opinion she was a relativist. She prayed with Muslims and Hindus and she called Muslims and Hindus to be good Muslims and good Hindus.

I’m halfway through her private writings which have been made public until now. For those who are interested, the book is Mother Teresa: Come Be My Light by Brian Kolodiejchuk, MC. Don’t ask me to pronounce this man’s last name, LOL.

When you read her journals you can’t help but be moved by her love for souls and her desire for the conversion of the world. What people often fail to see is her soul. They hear her quoted out of context and they run with that. We tend to live in a society that expels intelligence. Not only was Mother a woman of God, she was an intelligent woman of God. God forbid that a woman be intelligent!

Mother’s writings clearly demonstrate her desire to convert all people to believe in Jesus and to accept him as their Lord and Saviour. However, she also understood her surroundings. During the Middle Ages the Church had launched several campaigns against the Moors in the Middle East. She had also engaged in wars with the Ottoman Empire. Neither campaign was successful. The Ottoman Empire seceded from the Church and the Muslims did conquer the Middle East.

Being a prior social studies teacher and high school principal, Mother knew that these campaigns had failed. You could not conquer the Eastern world through force or through words. You could only conquer it through the heart. When asked why she cared about Muslim and Hindu people who were hungry or dying she always responded, “I only see Jesus.” Like her model, Francis of Assisi, she preached the Christian faith and used words only when necessary. Even then, she was always to the point. The point was Jesus.

Not only did she pray for the conversion of souls, she rescued people from the misery that often leads souls to despair and sin. She rescued people from isolation and abandonment. She preached Christ’s presence by touching Christ’s wounds in the people she cared for and she never kept it a secret that she was a Christian and a Catholic Sister. Everyone knew that she came in Christ’s name to smile upon them. Her smile was her tool.

Mother also understood that she had a responsibility to the few Christians in India and other parts of the world not to compromise their safety. It would have been folly to go on a preaching campaign against Islam or Hinduism in a society that was in conflict with the Christian world. Lives could have been lost. Christ did not choose her to bring more bloodshed into the world. He called her to heal his bleeding wounds, by touching the wounds of the suffering and he would provide the grace of conversion through her work and her life of contemplation.

We too can take Mother’s mission into the world. We do not have to use words to bring others to conversion. People like Francis of Assisi, Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II brought more souls to Christ through their simplicity, joy, charity and intense prayer life and penance than most preachers do through great sermons.

Words are quickly forgotten, but kindness leaves an indelible mark on the person who is touched by the heart of Christ’s mercy. We need not assume that Islam and Hinduism are equal to Christianity. That would be false. But we can take the message of Christ into the world as Mother did. Christ is thirsty for souls. But those souls will not come unless they have someone to follow. We are called to be the prophets whom those souls will follow to Christ. Mother knew that all of us can be prophets, not just her sisters. Her sisters were to be examples of prophetic voices in the world.

What good is having examples in the Church, if we Catholics are going to admire them from a distance, instead of imitating them?

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
Saints they did not proclaim themselves as saints they showed humbleness. But those person who claimed themselves as saints just like what you have said on one of your post, which is a signed of deciever!
 
You cannot win with me even you read a lot of books. I can face death to prove my true faith!
 
Hello Everyone:

This thread is for those who wish to discuss how to follow the tradition of the saints to Jesus Christ in the modern world and today’s Church. To avoid muddling the waters, I would ask that we avoid discussing the merits of the Tridentine mass and the Novus Ordo. I realize that they are important to tradition, but we want to stick to the saints and how they lived their faith. Our goal is to talk about the spirit of the saints and how they teach us to live in today’s world.

It is important to remember that the saints were men and women who lived during a specific time in history. Many of their actions and words were usual and customary for the period of history during which they lived. But their evangelical spirit is eternal, as well as much of the advice that they give us on how to become more like Jesus.

Perhaps some of you have a saint who has influenced you on your spiritual journey and you would like to tell us about him/her or share what you have learned from this holy man or woman. Or you may have a saint who has attracted your attention, but know little about him or her and would like to know more.

Here is an opportunity to ask questions and share experiences. I have deliberately posted this thread on the Traditional Catholicism forum, because the saints are a very real and important part of Christian Tradition. Their lives and ministry have contributed to the spiritual growth of the Church since its conception.

I would caution that this is not a debate, but an opportunity to share. In addition, I would also caution against falling into literalism. The saints wrote and said many things, but more important is how they lived. There is the danger of interpreting their writings divorced from the context of their lives and culture. Our love and imitation of the saints must lead us to discover the love of Christ for all humanity, whether they are united to us or not. For the saints aspired to the salvation of their souls and the souls of the world through the perfection of charity. Above all, they maintained an interior silence that allowed them to hear the guidance of the Holy Spirit and encounter their Lord and Father.

2683 The witnesses who have preceded us into the kingdom, especially those whom the Church recognizes as saints, share in the living tradition of prayer by the example of their lives, the transmission of their writings, and their prayer today. They contemplate God, praise him and constantly care for those whom they have left on earth. When they entered into the joy of their Master, they were “put in charge of many things.” Their intercession is their most exalted service to God’s plan. We can and should ask them to intercede for us and for the whole world. (CCC)

We look forward to questions and sharing. I would like to begin speaking about my three favourites: Francis of Assisi, Mother Teresa and Teresa of Avila. But that will be in another post.

Welcome everyone!

JR 🙂
Have you experienced the Valley of Tears? You just read a lot of Books! You may fool them but not me!
 
This has been an interesting thread and an interesting evening. Good night all and God bless each of you, in the Name of the Father, and of the son and of the Holy spirit, amen.
 
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