Saints in Orthodox & Anglican communions

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Where are the Anglicans in this? No response? How about it GCK? I would love to know how people like MLK Jr, Florence Nightingale and King Charles the Ist got on the Anglican calendar.
Look below to the thread on St. Thomas More and St. John Fisher. See my post there, and click through to what I said in another thread about 2+ years ago. Note my typo on Charles I, King and Martyr, in passing. Also note my typo on “RCC”. Must have been a bad day.

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In Orthodoxy Saints are glorified and not canonized. The difference is wide. In Orthodoxy the recognition of Saints comes from the ground up when people start having devotion to a local, eventually the devotion spreads widely and expand to national churches. But not all churches celebrate exactly the same Saints. There are Russian Saints, Greek Saints and Arab saints.

In Rome the process is different. Saints are canonized from the top down, with a complex process that involves Devils advocates, a number of miracles required and a lot of research into the life of the potential Saint.

With Anglican/Episcopal who knows. They just add people to the calendar without canonization or glorification. There are two catagories of Saints in Anglicanism, the red letter Saints and the black letter saints. Red letter Saints are mostly people mentioned in the bible, while black letter saints can literally include anyone like Florence Nightingale and Martin Luther King.
Canonisation in the history of the Church has not been limited to one particular method, notably the juridical model currently utilised by Rome. As you’ve pointed out, Orthodoxy has a different system.

In the late 1950’s an Anglican report ‘Saints and Heroes’ acknowledged that Anglican values as reflected in its practices about the Saints were closer to the autocephalous churches of Orthodoxy than to Rome.

The report said that “the cult of a true saint should be spontaneous, springing from the devotion of the people among whom he/she lived and worked; second, that a bishop or a synod — provincial, national or general — is the proper authority to control the cult.”

King Charles the Martyr was canonised by Convocation of the Church of England according to the three fold pre-10th custom. He died for the Church of England because he refused to abandon episcopacy. Several churches in England are dedicated to Charles and there have been a few alleged miracles ascribed to him. There is still a small but active cultus.

The 1958 Lambeth Conference issued the following guidlines regarding the commemoration of Saints and heroes of the Christian Church in the Anglican Communion:

"The Conference is of the opinion that the following principles should guide the selection of saints and heroes for commemoration:

(a) In the case of scriptural saints, care should be taken to commemorate men or women in terms which are in strict accord with the facts made known in Holy Scripture.

(b) In the case of other names, the Kalendar should be limited to those whose historical character and devotion are beyond doubt.

(c) In the choice of new names economy should be observed and controversial names should not be inserted until they can be seen in the perspective of history.

(d) The addition of a new name should normally result from a wide-spread desire expressed in the region concerned over a reasonable period of time."

The current CofE Calendar contains several post Reformation Roman Canonised Saints as well as figures such as Florence Nightingale. To take Nightingale as an example, she is honoured for her humanitarian work with the poor and her nursing role in the Crimea. She is seen as a renewer of society and worked tirelessly towards this by lobbying Parliament. A formidable task for a mere woman of her time.

(It should be noted that the addition of Reformation or post Reformation era ‘Roman’ Saints such as Fisher, More etc are controversial amongst Evangelical/Low Church Anglicans).

I live in a Celtic region of Britain where many of our churches are dedicated to 5/6th century Celtic Saints. Probably the majority of these have not been canonized in the Roman sense but there is no doubt that we consider them Saints with a capital S and honour them as such.
 
Canonisation in the history of the Church has not been limited to one particular method, notably the juridical model currently utilised by Rome. As you’ve pointed out, Orthodoxy has a different system.

In the late 1950’s an Anglican report ‘Saints and Heroes’ acknowledged that Anglican values as reflected in its practices about the Saints were closer to the autocephalous churches of Orthodoxy than to Rome.

The report said that “the cult of a true saint should be spontaneous, springing from the devotion of the people among whom he/she lived and worked; second, that a bishop or a synod — provincial, national or general — is the proper authority to control the cult.”

King Charles the Martyr was canonised by Convocation of the Church of England according to the three fold pre-10th custom. He died for the Church of England because he refused to abandon episcopacy. Several churches in England are dedicated to Charles and there have been a few alleged miracles ascribed to him. There is still a small but active cultus.

The 1958 Lambeth Conference issued the following guidlines regarding the commemoration of Saints and heroes of the Christian Church in the Anglican Communion:

"The Conference is of the opinion that the following principles should guide the selection of saints and heroes for commemoration:

(a) In the case of scriptural saints, care should be taken to commemorate men or women in terms which are in strict accord with the facts made known in Holy Scripture.

(b) In the case of other names, the Kalendar should be limited to those whose historical character and devotion are beyond doubt.

(c) In the choice of new names economy should be observed and controversial names should not be inserted until they can be seen in the perspective of history.

(d) The addition of a new name should normally result from a wide-spread desire expressed in the region concerned over a reasonable period of time."

The current CofE Calendar contains several post Reformation Roman Canonised Saints as well as figures such as Florence Nightingale. To take Nightingale as an example, she is honoured for her humanitarian work with the poor and her nursing role in the Crimea. She is seen as a renewer of society and worked tirelessly towards this by lobbying Parliament. A formidable task for a mere woman of her time.

(It should be noted that the addition of Reformation or post Reformation era ‘Roman’ Saints such as Fisher, More etc are controversial amongst Evangelical/Low Church Anglicans).

I live in a Celtic region of Britain where many of our churches are dedicated to 5/6th century Celtic Saints. Probably the majority of these have not been canonized in the Roman sense but there is no doubt that we consider them Saints with a capital S and honour them as such.
Which presents more details than I could.

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The current CofE Calendar contains several post Reformation Roman Canonised Saints as well as figures such as Florence Nightingale. To take Nightingale as an example, she is honoured for her humanitarian work with the poor and her nursing role in the Crimea. She is seen as a renewer of society and worked tirelessly towards this by lobbying Parliament. A formidable task for a mere woman of her time.

(It should be noted that the addition of Reformation or post Reformation era ‘Roman’ Saints such as Fisher, More etc are controversial amongst Evangelical/Low Church Anglicans).

I live in a Celtic region of Britain where many of our churches are dedicated to 5/6th century Celtic Saints. Probably the majority of these have not been canonized in the Roman sense but there is no doubt that we consider them Saints with a capital S and honour them as such.
Thanks, Symphorian. So, I understand from what you posted that there are broad guidelines but no detailed process or criteria to be used throughout the Anglican communion and each constituent Church is left to work out its own detailed process and criteria. I presume the process for the individual Churches will be somewhat akin to that for Catholics but probably nowhere near as detailed or complex. Each Church maintains its own list of saints and its own calendar and it is up to the other Churches to adopt, ‘borrow’ or reject as they individually and independently see fit. Any consultation would probably be informal.

Orthodox framework would be somewhat similar but with even less process as to the glorification of saints. I guess Orthodox would be even more explicit in practice to leave such details to the Holy Spirit.

A few questions on Anglican saints:

1 Charles was evidently not killed because of his Christian views, even though he may have views on the episcopacy, he certainly didn’t die defending the episcopacy. Although his views were certainly in opposition to his opponents, those differences are certainly not differences that the existing Anglican hierarchy would advocate going to war over today. Does this mean that Anglican saints are not necessarily seen as examples to follow as in the Catholic model (“good in their days but don’t follow what they did today”)?

2 While I would probably have sided with Charles in the Civil War, it is well known that he may have personal traits and views that would not be consistent with good Christian living. Does the process require investigation into all his negative points (as Rome does) or does it just emphasise all his good points and ignore all his bad points (sorry, can’t think of a better way to word this)?

3 Florence Nightingale seems to be named a saint for her humanitarian work, and not her Christian living, though I understand she was a devout Christian. Catholics expect our saints to be clearly people who defended or progressed explicit Gospel values. Would Florence Nightingale be an example of the ‘national service’ that CoE does as a national church?

4 I didn’t know about Thomas More and John Fisher, but that puzzled me even more. How does the CoE justify accepting someone as a saint who evidently refused to be in communion with them? I presume Thomas More and John Fisher could be fuming in paradise, if fuming is allowed in paradise. Where would the line be drawn: would the CoE canonise a non-Christian who did excellent humanitarian work, for example?

5 Catholic saints must have broad acceptance throughout the Church. Considering the canonisation of Thomas More and John Fisher, I would imagine wide and active opposition that would off killed off any canonisation process in the Catholic Church. Does the CoE see saints in the same way as Catholics? Other than consecration of churches, what is the effect of a saint being named? Cults of saints are not common among Anglicans as they are among Catholics and Orthodox. Maybe it is an English thing not to. I note what you said about a cult for Charles but then again the English always have a soft spot for their royals who died ‘unfairly’ (Richard III and Lady Jane Grey comes to mind).
 
A few questions on Anglican saints:

1 Charles was evidently not killed because of his Christian views, even though he may have views on the episcopacy, he certainly didn’t die defending the episcopacy. Although his views were certainly in opposition to his opponents, those differences are certainly not differences that the existing Anglican hierarchy would advocate going to war over today. Does this mean that Anglican saints are not necessarily seen as examples to follow as in the Catholic model (“good in their days but don’t follow what they did today”)?

2 While I would probably have sided with Charles in the Civil War, it is well known that he may have personal traits and views that would not be consistent with good Christian living. Does the process require investigation into all his negative points (as Rome does) or does it just emphasise all his good points and ignore all his bad points (sorry, can’t think of a better way to word this)?

3 Florence Nightingale seems to be named a saint for her humanitarian work, and not her Christian living, though I understand she was a devout Christian. Catholics expect our saints to be clearly people who defended or progressed explicit Gospel values. Would Florence Nightingale be an example of the ‘national service’ that CoE does as a national church?

4 I didn’t know about Thomas More and John Fisher, but that puzzled me even more. How does the CoE justify accepting someone as a saint who evidently refused to be in communion with them? I presume Thomas More and John Fisher could be fuming in paradise, if fuming is allowed in paradise. Where would the line be drawn: would the CoE canonise a non-Christian who did excellent humanitarian work, for example?

5 Catholic saints must have broad acceptance throughout the Church. Considering the canonisation of Thomas More and John Fisher, I would imagine wide and active opposition that would off killed off any canonisation process in the Catholic Church. Does the CoE see saints in the same way as Catholics? Other than consecration of churches, what is the effect of a saint being named? Cults of saints are not common among Anglicans as they are among Catholics and Orthodox. Maybe it is an English thing not to. I note what you said about a cult for Charles but then again the English always have a soft spot for their royals who died ‘unfairly’ (Richard III and Lady Jane Grey comes to mind).
  1. King Charles was captured and condemned to death by a Puritan parliament. He was offered his life, and even his throne if he would consent to the destruction of the Episcopate but he refused. He was beheaded on 30 Jan 1649 and is recognised as a martyr as he died for the survival of the Church of England.
  2. No, the process for inclusion on the Anglican Calendars is not as exacting as the juridical sysem currently used by Rome but as I mentioned in my other post, canonisation in the history of the Church has not been limited to one particular method. Charles I is generally regarded as being the last person actually canonised by the Church of England, although some Anglicans, including myself might dispute this.
  3. Yes, Florence Nightingale lived a Christian life. She believed that God had called her to His service. She showed a lively faith with good works. Ministering to the poor, sick and injured are Gospel values.
  4. I think we can put this down to martyrial ecumensim.
    When Pope JPII visited Slovakia in 1995 for the Beatification of 3 Catholic martyrs, he acknowledged Protestant martyrs with these words:
“How can we fail to acknowledge, for example, the spiritual greatness of twenty-four members of the evangelical churches who were killed at Presov? To them and to all who accepted suffering and death out of fidelity to the dictates of their conscience the church gives praise and expresses admiration.”

I’m not aware of any non-Christians in the Church of England Calendar.
  1. We honour the Saints and heroes of the Christian faith and try to follow their examples. At the Reformation, the Church of England retained a Saints Calendar (unlike most, if not all Reformation bodies of the period). We possibly don’t have a widespread cultus because the invocation of Saints was seen as a questionable activity which at the time led to much superstition and abuse.
Here’s a picture of the annual pilgrimage in honour of one of the Celtic Saints who is revered in my diocese:
 
  1. We honour the Saints and heroes of the Christian faith and try to follow their examples. At the Reformation, the Church of England retained a Saints Calendar (unlike most, if not all Reformation bodies of the period). We possibly don’t have a widespread cultus because the invocation of Saints was seen as a questionable activity which at the time led to much superstition and abuse.
Here’s a picture of the annual pilgrimage in honour of one of the Celtic Saints who is revered in my diocese:
I would add to what you say that it is my observation is that the patronal festivals in most Anglican Churches is celebrated with much more dignity and reverence than in Catholic Churches. My local church does nothing more than has a said mass on the day, whereas the Anglican Church has a full festival including Solemn Evensong and Benediction of the feast and a beautiful Sung Mass on the day, both with choral music that make me drool.
 
In Orthodoxy Saints are glorified and not canonized. The difference is wide. In Orthodoxy the recognition of Saints comes from the ground up when people start having devotion to a local, eventually the devotion spreads widely and expand to national churches. But not all churches celebrate exactly the same Saints. There are Russian Saints, Greek Saints and Arab saints.
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Apologies. Despite using the term “canonized” I meant exactly what you are stating here. It is “popular acclaim” (for lack of a better word) that leads to the recognition of someone as a saint.
 
Thanks Symphorian and everyone else, that has been most instructive to a Catholic trying to move away from the juridicial (I like that word) Latinism to explore the wider wealth of the Church. 👍
  1. He was beheaded on 30 Jan 1649 and is recognised as a martyr as he died for the survival of the Church of England.
If you don’t mind me cheekily pointing out - it was 1648. That’s what it says on his tomb. It was before New Years Day 1649 in pre-Gregorian Stuart England. 1649 in our today calendar. 😉
 
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