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While a few don’t seem to think much of Virgin Mary, could somebody knows of any Saint who didn’t honor/have devotion to Her?
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PhilotheaZ
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Certainly not any canonized saint. Devotion to Mary is called for in Scripture:
“… for behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed” (Luke 1:48).
Saint Louis de Montfort specifically deals with this question in his work, True Devotion to Mary, in sections 39–47. Selected references:
But I would certainly not want to go through life without taking advantage of one of the surest and easiest ways to eternal life with Christ — devotion to His mother, who always leads us to Him.
“… for behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed” (Luke 1:48).
Saint Louis de Montfort specifically deals with this question in his work, True Devotion to Mary, in sections 39–47. Selected references:
- [Here he cites many saints and scholars] … and many others have proved invincibly … that devotion to our Blessed Lady is necessary to salvation, and that … it is an infallible mark of reprobation to have no esteem and love for the holy Virgin; while on the other hand, it is an infallible mark of predestination to be entirely and truly devoted to her.
- … “To be devout to you, O holy Virgin,” says St. John Damascene, “is an arm of salvation which God gives to those whom He wishes to save.”
- If devotion to the most holy Virgin Mary is necessary to all men simply for working out their salvation, it is still more so for those who are called to any special perfection; and I do not think anyone can acquire an intimate union with Our Lord and a perfect fidelity to the Holy Ghost without a very great union with the most holy Virgin, and a great dependence on her assistance.
But I would certainly not want to go through life without taking advantage of one of the surest and easiest ways to eternal life with Christ — devotion to His mother, who always leads us to Him.
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Eilish_Maura
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Would you clarify what you mean by ‘don’t seem to think much of’ the BVM?
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water
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I meant to ask if any canonized Saints didn’t have any devotion to Blessed Virgin Mary.
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Eilish_Maura
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Plenty of people honor and respect the BVM but do not have a personal devotion to her. I asked for the clarification because I am sure you are not looking to have folks bash this segment of the Church.
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water
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I don’t even want to go to this direction of discussing people other than the Canonized Saints - we have plenty of threads on this.
I was only asking if any of us could name a Canonized Saint who didn’t have devotion to Blessed Virgin Mary.
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MarcoPolo
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I remember Father Corapi saying how he read over 500 lives of the saints in his studying days and every single one of them had a devotion to Mary.
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water
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As the matter of fact, I just heard him something similarly on relevant radio.
This brought me to have this thread.
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Eilish_Maura
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Could be just a coincidence.
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Ceil-1
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I have never met a priest with a devotion to Mary that wasn’t a good and holy priest.
OTOH, priests I have considered questionable, always avoid her.
The same goes with lay people. The most loving and devout always, always have a devotion to Mary. The lukewarm and nominal ones never mention her. In fact, they are uncomfortable bringing her up.
I believe it is important to be under her protection if there is even a chance of getting to heaven. That isn’t to say there aren’t people out there under her protection who may not be aware of her. Abused children and oppressed people, I believe, are under her special care.
OTOH, priests I have considered questionable, always avoid her.
The same goes with lay people. The most loving and devout always, always have a devotion to Mary. The lukewarm and nominal ones never mention her. In fact, they are uncomfortable bringing her up.
I believe it is important to be under her protection if there is even a chance of getting to heaven. That isn’t to say there aren’t people out there under her protection who may not be aware of her. Abused children and oppressed people, I believe, are under her special care.
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Eilish_Maura
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Or there may be plenty in heaven who were NOT ‘under her protection’.
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Tantum_ergo
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Let’s get back on topic.
It does appear to me that the majority of saints for whom we actually have information beyond, say, the early Christian martyrs, most of whom are ‘nameless’ or ‘known to God alone’, have a devotion to the Blessed Mother which in fact deepens their relationship with God.
In fact, that is what the ‘communion of saints’ does in those who are trying to do God’s will. . .by their prayers and intercessions with those of us on earth, they help us (by those prayers and by their example) to do ‘more’ (all things considered)because we are working ‘together’ and not just ‘on our own.’
Loving Mary as our Mother doesn’t make us have ‘less love to give God’ which appears (note I say ‘appears’ not ‘is’) to be the ‘stumbling block’ for some, Catholics and Protestant alike, who want everything to be ‘all for Jesus’ and who appear to feel that any recognition given to anybody ‘other’ than God is taking something from God.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. As a mother, I can tell you that having a child. . .and later other children. . .did not mean that I was ‘taking love away’ from my husband, or ‘taking love away’ from the first child. The more love you give, the more you will have.
The more love you have for Mary (Mother of our Savior), the more love you have for your Savior. The more you welcome others into your ‘relationship’ with God, the deeper and richer that relationship will be.
It does appear to me that the majority of saints for whom we actually have information beyond, say, the early Christian martyrs, most of whom are ‘nameless’ or ‘known to God alone’, have a devotion to the Blessed Mother which in fact deepens their relationship with God.
In fact, that is what the ‘communion of saints’ does in those who are trying to do God’s will. . .by their prayers and intercessions with those of us on earth, they help us (by those prayers and by their example) to do ‘more’ (all things considered)because we are working ‘together’ and not just ‘on our own.’
Loving Mary as our Mother doesn’t make us have ‘less love to give God’ which appears (note I say ‘appears’ not ‘is’) to be the ‘stumbling block’ for some, Catholics and Protestant alike, who want everything to be ‘all for Jesus’ and who appear to feel that any recognition given to anybody ‘other’ than God is taking something from God.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. As a mother, I can tell you that having a child. . .and later other children. . .did not mean that I was ‘taking love away’ from my husband, or ‘taking love away’ from the first child. The more love you give, the more you will have.
The more love you have for Mary (Mother of our Savior), the more love you have for your Savior. The more you welcome others into your ‘relationship’ with God, the deeper and richer that relationship will be.
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CSN
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Did the Little Flower once say that she found the rosary boring or tedious or something? I thought I read that once…
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Archus
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wow, that is quite astounding. I know Mary helps, but 
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St. Mary, Mother of God FTW!
!St. Mary, Mother of God FTW!
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Eilish_Maura
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Apparently there are comments in her autobiography in the section on prayer. This site ( catholic.net/RCC/Periodicals/Faith/Sept-Oct97/therese.html ) has this one:
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water
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Thanks Eilish,
This is a common thing for everybody. Focusing and meditating on the rosary is not easy thing to do. Being unable to meditate does not mean being bored. I believe the Saint shows her humility in the meditation of the Rosary. As for many of us, if we could pray the way some saints (who said that they couldn’t meditate), we would be happy to reach their level of meditation.
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FCEGM
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Actually not, given that she is the Mother of all those in her Son.
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water
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Let’s focus on the Canonized Saints and their lives on earth regarding to the devotion to Blessed Virgin Mary.
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FCEGM
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Regarding what has been said about St. Therese, her devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary - and that of her entire family - is vividly seen in the the cure of her childhood illness which she attributes to the intercession of the Blessed Mother; she tells how a family statue of the Virgin smiled at her and from thenceforth the family referred to it as “Our Lady of the Smile.”
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