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How can the roman rite of the Church hold that Pontius Pilate is not a saint and the eastern rite does? Once we re-unify with the Orthodox- how will we venerate Constantine when he is not a saint in our Church? how does this work?
 
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How can the roman rite of the Church hold that Pontius Pilate is not a saint and the eastern rite does? Once we re-unify with the Orthodox- how will we venerate Constantine when he is not a saint in our Church? how does this work?
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I imagine that there will be certain segmentation of tradition unique to Orthodox in this area. For example, in the list of combined saints they might make a comment “Orthodox recognized saint only”. The Latin church has the option to consider the validity of a saint on a case by case basis and recognize a particular Orthodox saint if the critera is all provable.

Just my speculation…

James
 
Just in the cas eof a person like Pontius, would he become one of our saints because we often assume he was not such a good guy-- wouldn’t it contradict what we have held of we were to suddenly say, “owe he’s a saint”. And others like constantine- he wasn’t all good…
 
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How can the roman rite of the Church hold that Pontius Pilate is not a saint and the eastern rite does? Once we re-unify with the Orthodox- how will we venerate Constantine when he is not a saint in our Church? how does this work?
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As its the Orthodox who are in schism it is they who would rejoin us and not the other way round.
 
Individuals can have local cults, but not a universal cult. There’s nothing wrong with that at all. In fact, in the current system of doing things, beatification is the permission for a local cult. If certain groups reunited, they would be allowed to continue venerating who they have. There would be no problem there. 🙂
 
No, I’m talking about people such as Pontius Pilate- this is highly contradictory- no?
 
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How can the roman rite of the Church hold that Pontius Pilate is not a saint and the eastern rite does? Once we re-unify with the Orthodox- how will we venerate Constantine when he is not a saint in our Church? how does this work?
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TO ENTER HEAVEN, WE ALL HAVE TO BECOME SAINTS,SOME DAY IF WE LEAD A LIFE IN THE RIGHT WAY AS ,OUR GOD AND HIS DIVINE:amen: :shamrock2: SON HAS COMANDED US TO DO,
 
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How can the roman rite of the Church hold that Pontius Pilate is not a saint and the eastern rite does? Once we re-unify with the Orthodox- how will we venerate Constantine when he is not a saint in our Church? how does this work?
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Are uou sure about Pontius Pilate being an Eastern Orthodox Saint?

This would seem really odd to me.

I could see perhaps his wife being named a saint, but why Pilate?

Chuck
 
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How can the roman rite of the Church hold that Pontius Pilate is not a saint and the eastern rite does?
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The Roman rite does not say he is, “not a saint”. Being canonized is a positive statement, an affirmation that this particular soul is in heaven. Not being canonized does not mean the soul is not in heaven, it’s not a negative statement. My Mom is certainly in heaven, she is a saint, but has never, and will never, be canonized.
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Just in the case of a person like Pontius, would he become one of our saints because we often assume he was not such a good guy-- wouldn’t it contradict what we have held of we were to suddenly say, “owe he’s a saint”. And others like constantine- he wasn’t all good…
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No one “becomes” a saint because of Canonization. Canonization is a statement of what is. The Church doesn’t “make” saints it recognizes them as saints. There are thousands of saints the Church doesn’t recognize, there is no attempt to identify all those in heaven.
 
I am not aware of the Catholic Church ever condemning Pilate to hell. So how could there be a contradiction if She were to ever hypothetically say he was in heaven?
 
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