Saints?

[w_stewart]

The Coptic and Ethiopian Orthodox Churches venerate both Pilate and Procula as Saints, which the Greek Orthodox Church only Procula is celebrated with a feastday, October 27th. The Catholic Church, especially the Latin Rite, does not recognize either as Saints.

Why do the Orthodox Churches venerate Pilate a saint? I also learned from some Orthodox members that Constantine the Great was one of their venerated saints. I do not understand why. Constantine was baptized by an Arian priest, if I am not mistaken.

Will someone please explain this to me?

 

[geekborj]

Why do the Orthodox Churches venerate Pilate a saint? I also learned from some Orthodox members that Constantine the Great was one of their venerated saints. I do not understand why. Constantine was baptized by an Arian priest, if I am not mistaken.

Will someone please explain this to me?

Maybe somehow, they have Canonized them as saint. For whatever reason, it must be enough to be called saint. Who knows, your neighbor or the beggar out in the street is actually as saint? These saints that we have are so far only those who are noticed by the Church. That is why we have the All Saints Day to celebrate all the other saints that had moved on to the next life unnoticed by the Church but only by God.

 

[bpbasilphx]

Why do the Orthodox Churches venerate Pilate a saint? I also learned from some Orthodox members that Constantine the Great was one of their venerated saints. I do not understand why. Constantine was baptized by an Arian priest, if I am not mistaken

There is NO Orthodox Church that considers Pontius Pilate a Saint, though some martyrologies mention his wife Procula.

Contantine is also considered a saint by the Byzantine Catholic Churches.

You are mistaken about St. Constantine’s being baptized by an Arian.

 

[w_stewart]

Contantine is also considered a saint by the Byzantine Catholic Churches.

Why do Orthodox Churches venerate him as saint? Please educate me in this matter.

You are mistaken about St. Constantine’s being baptized by an Arian.

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Constantine was not without faults. His sins and shortcomings were many, including the killing of his son, Crispus, and his second wife, Fausta, due to rumors and confusion about an illicit affair between them. Yet, there is no denying his historical importance and pivotal role in the flourishing of the Christian church. He had hoped to be baptized in the Jordan, but ill health prevented it. Instead, shortly after Easter in 337, Constantine was baptized in the suburbs of Nicomedia by, ironically, the Arian bishop Eusibeus. (It should be noted that postponing baptism until late life, near death, was a common practice in the fourth century.) He died, not long after, on the Feast of Pentecost, 22 May. His body was interred in Constantinople, in the Church of the Twelve Apostles. Constantine is honored, along with his mother, Helena, as a saint in the Orthodox Church whose feast day is 21 May.

southern-orthodoxy.blogspot.com/2006/05/who-was-constantine-great.html

 

[peary]

Why do the Orthodox Churches venerate Pilate a saint? I also learned from some Orthodox members that Constantine the Great was one of their venerated saints. I do not understand why. Constantine was baptized by an Arian priest, if I am not mistaken.

Will someone please explain this to me?

**Is Pilot in heaven? If so, he must have been saved through the Church (extra ecclesiam nulla salus). There is a plausible argument that Pilot never assented to the execution of Jesus. He said numerous times that he could not kill Jesus because he was not guilty of anything. In the end, he was forced to hand him over (“You must not be a friend of Caesar!”). Secondly, Pilot is the only person mentioned in the Creed besides Mary and the three persons of the Trinity. Why would the Church mention Pilot? There are much more important people instrumental in the mission of Christ. But he is mentioned.

And yet, in the Creed, it states emphatically that Christ “suffered under Pontius Pilate”, was crucified, died, and was buried. Is the Church just stating an historical fact to remind Christians of Pilate’s infamy? Or is the Church, in its early days, reminding us that it was Pilate and NOT the Jews who caused Christ’s suffering and execution?

The ‘saint’ Pilate has more to do with the legends which surfaced after his death. By the 3rd century Tertullian was telling us that Pilate was a “secret Christian.” Saints at that time were canonized as such by popular demand, although it is difficult to figure out how he ever became so popular as to be regarded as a saint.

The Ethiopian Church (the Coptic Christians) canonized Pilate as a saint in the sixth century because he absolved himself from guilt in the crucifixion. His holy day is 25 June. The Greek Orthodox church canonized his wife, Claudia Procula or Procla. This was because his wife was assumed to have been a Christian because of her defence of Jesus in Matthew 27:19 when she warns Pilate she had dreamt that Jesus was an innocent man.

It’s all Greek to me! **

 

[rowlands]

Constantine was baptized by an Arian priest, if I am not mistaken.

Other traditions hold that Saint Constantine, Equal of the Apostles, was baptised by Saint Sylvester, Bishop of Rome and Pope (although he proabably died a couple of years before the Emperor).

 

[w_stewart]

Other traditions hold that Saint Constantine, Equal of the Apostles, was baptised by Saint Sylvester, Bishop of Rome and Pope (although he proabably died a couple of years before the Emperor).

But he was baptized by an Arian priest. I need a better explanation how come he was declared saint.