Salvation Army & Planned Parenthood?

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After reading the Starbucks thread, and some mentioning that the Salvation Army support Planned Parenthood, I tried to find some evidence of this on the Internet. I couldn’t find anything.

Can anyone please post a good source for this? I would appreciate it.

While I agree with one poster in that thread that you can’t check out every single company before you buy your toothpaste or breakfast cereal, I can make a decision not to put coins in the red kettle at Christmas time, or take my yearly cull of household goods to them, if I think they are contributing to abortionists.

HOWEVER - I just as adamantly refuse to boycott an institution based on someone’s word, and possibly destroy a reputation based on hearsay. That is equally as sinful. (Bearing false witness, anyone??)

Thank you.

~Liza
 
How on earth could the Salvation Army support Planned Parenthood? They can’t keep thier own coffers half -full. They are always out of money. They are persecuted relentlessly, denied access to the store fronts where most of their money comes from.

I make an effort to contact those stores. Most of them, like Target, are trying to make up for it, although Best Buy is still on my black list.

My list of orgs that support PP do not include the SA, so I wouldn’t worry about that. I think they’re a great bunch of people. A lot of people would be cold, hungry and drunk without them. I know from first hand because I work with the homeless.
 
Ceil-1 said:
I make an effort to contact those stores. Most of them, like Target, are trying to make up for it
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Target sent the Salvation Army a check, but they are still banning the bell-ringers. Whether or not the check will cover the same amount that is lost from customer’s donations, I do not know.
 
The Salvation Army is pro-abortion. I don’t give to them. The following is a letter sent by them to a concerned Catholic (from www.losangelesmission.com):

*Editor’s note: the text of the Salvation Army’s position paper follows. *
The Salvation Army believes in the sanctity of all human life. It considers each person to be of infinite value, and each life a gift from God to be cherished, nurtured and preserved.
The Salvation Army supports efforts to protect and promote the welfare of weak and defenseless persons including the unborn. It takes seriously the rights and needs of both the fetus and the mother.
The Salvation Army holds to the Christian ideals of chastity before marriage and fidelity within the marriage relationship and, consistent with these ideals, supports measures to prevent crisis pregnancies. It is opposed to abortion on demand or as a means of birth control.
Termination of a pregnancy may be justified in those rare instances where in the judgment of a competent medical and allied staff the pregnancy poses a serious threat to the life of the mother or could result in irreversible physical injury to the mother; and in those instances of proven rape or legally defined incest or where reliable diagnostic procedures determine that a fetal anomaly is present which is incompatible with postnatal survival for more than a few weeks, or where there is total or virtual absence of cognitive function.
It is the Salvation Army’s experience that when an unwanted pregnancy occurs, it is best to advise that the situation be accepted and that the fetus be carried to term, and to offer supportive help and assistance with planning.
In situations where our counsel has not been accepted and an abortion has taken place, The Salvation Army will continue to show love and compassion and to offer its services and fellowship to those involved. A serious commitment to the protection and care of the unborn calls us equally to a commitment to the promotion of societal systems that are conducive to wholeness, a reasonable quality of life and the fullest possible development of the potential of all persons and ages.
 
I don’t agree with the Salvation Army’s position, either, but I will pray for them. They think they are doing the right thing.
I myself am totally antiAbortion, but what about an ectopic pregnancy, which would kill the mother? (And the fetus could never survive an ectopic pregnancy, either, as I understand it). In that case, I would support removing the fetus, but trying to keep it alive if at all possible, not killing it.

Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)
 
Jaypeeto,

Termination of an ectopic pregnancy is justified by the principle of double effect. I don’t know where to find it in the catechism but I’m absolutely certain that it’s a chuch teaching.

Death of the embryo, in this case, is a secondary (and indeed, unwanted) effect. The act is removing the tube. In an ectopic pregnancy, the child has NO chance of survival. Not operating will cause the mother to die along with the child.

As long as the operation being done is absolutely necessary (in this case, it is) for the life of the mother, it’s justifiable. Death of the child is the unfortunate consequence, not the intention.

-Bry
 
I don’t think, given their statement, that I would label them “pro-abortion”. They certainly aren’t staunchy pro-life, but they don’t seem to necessarily advocate abortions either. It seems like a more political-esque response in that they don’t support abortions “on-demand”, yet understand the variety of situations that can occur.

I myself am a staunch pro-lifer. But their version of pro-life seems to act in a different manner: giving aid to the women who are considering it and helping them regardless. It seems more Christ-like then demonizing women who have or are about to abort their children.

They aren’t being overtly evil about it, they are merely corresponding with a more moderate position.
 
Actually to be Christ like is not to ignore sin or evil and to strictly avoid any sin, while maintaining charity to those who sincerely are reforming.
He was pretty harsh on sinners who didn’t reform.

We are never to bend on sin and always point it out as wrong.

Ectopic pregnancies are another matter as stated before.

In Christ
Scylla
 
scylla said:
Actually to be Christ like is not to ignore sin or evil and to strictly avoid any sin, while maintaining charity to those who sincerely are reforming.
He was pretty harsh on sinners who didn’t reform.

We are never to bend on sin and always point it out as wrong.

Ectopic pregnancies are another matter as stated before.

In Christ
Scylla
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For the most part I agree. What I meant by Christ-like is not that they ignored the sin, but rather that they helped women regardless of their situation. It is far more effective to listen to people who are going through things like that and try to understand. After that, we can relate to them better and show them the error of their ways.

I think that saying that the whole of the Salvation Army is evil and encouraging people not to give to them is the argument equivalent of saying that I will not donate to the Catholic Church because there is a chance that some of that money will go towards defending priests who committed child abuse.

I.E. You shouldn’t stop giving to a charitable organization because of some small disagreement on an issue. It is far more likely that your donations will help a number of people rather than go towards planned parenthood.

(BTW, I know that I’m not necessarily giving money to defend child molesters. It was an example to show equivalency, not what I believe is going on)

God Bless,

Ian
 
The Salvation Army is not a charitable organization; it is a church and the officers are the clergy. If your local Methodist, Presbyterian, AoG, church had people out collecting monetary donations, would you donate to them? Donating to the Salvation Army is the same thing. Yes, I agree that they do lots of good helping the poor and disadvantaged. They used to, maybe still do, run homes for unwed mothers. But, they are still a church. Catholic Charities does a lot of good among the poor. Donate to them instead. Put the change you would donate to the Salvation Army into a jar and put it into your parish poor boxes or send it to one of your diocese’s outreach programs. My diocese has a bunch of them, and I would think your diocese will too.

Peace,
Linda
 
Looks like I’ll be giving my Christmas red kettle offerings and donations to St. Vincent dePaul. Then I don’t even have to guess.

Thanks everyone - this was interesting.

~Liza
 
oldfogey said:
The Salvation Army is pro-abortion. I don’t give to them. The following is a letter sent by them to a concerned Catholic (from www.losangelesmission.com):…
It is the Salvation Army’s experience that when an unwanted pregnancy occurs, it is best to advise that the situation be accepted and that the fetus be carried to term, and to offer supportive help and assistance with planning.
**In situations where our counsel has not been accepted and an abortion has taken place, The Salvation Army will continue to show love and compassion and to offer its services and fellowship to those involved. **A serious commitment to the protection and care of the unborn calls us equally to a commitment to the promotion of societal systems that are conducive to wholeness, a reasonable quality of life and the fullest possible development of the potential of all persons and ages.
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Doesn’t read to me as support for abortion, but support for those who have one against their advice. Not a lot different than project Rachel and similar programs. These people do a lot of good for the poor, the homeless and the hungry. Unlike many conservative(politically) Catholics I know, they are there for those in need.
 
I always do my best to avoid those who enable PP, and I didn’t know about Salvation Army so I appreciate the info. Although they aren’t as bad as some organizations with regard to life, it does seem that they don’t have the whole picture.

I was hoping someone could elaborate on the Starbuck’s thing? I know Starbuck’s used to be on the ‘boycott list’ (much to my dismay:( ), but I thought I saw somewhere that they had ceased giving to PP a year or two back…can anyone point me in the right direction here?

Oh and let’s not forget to avoid Wal Mart and Sam’s Club too this Christmas.

Wherever shall we shop?
 
lizaanne said:
Looks like I’ll be giving my Christmas red kettle offerings and donations to St. Vincent dePaul. Then I don’t even have to guess.

Thanks everyone - this was interesting.

~Liza
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Knights of Columbus would be a safe bet as well! 👍
 
lizaanne thanks 🙂 I did check out that thread and added my two cents. I would gladly boycott Starbuck’s and any other company that I conceivably can if they do indeed ‘donate’ to PP, but I haven’t found any ‘proof’ on the thread or on the net that they do. Does anyone have access to the complete boycott list from Stop PP that could tell us for certain?
 
does the Salvation army give to the united way? If so then they are giving to Planned Parenthood. UW is a big donor for the PP.
 
Ianjo99 said:
For the most part I agree. What I meant by Christ-like is not that they ignored the sin, but rather that they helped women regardless of their situation. It is far more effective to listen to people who are going through things like that and try to understand. After that, we can relate to them better and show them the error of their ways.

I think that saying that the whole of the Salvation Army is evil and encouraging people not to give to them is the argument equivalent of saying that I will not donate to the Catholic Church because there is a chance that some of that money will go towards defending priests who committed child abuse.

I.E. You shouldn’t stop giving to a charitable organization because of some small disagreement on an issue. It is far more likely that your donations will help a number of people rather than go towards planned parenthood.

(BTW, I know that I’m not necessarily giving money to defend child molesters. It was an example to show equivalency, not what I believe is going on)

God Bless,

Ian
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I understand, if I am on vacation and I end up at a parish that has some crummy priest who has some hippy Mass, I wont give money to that parish. I will walk out and go to another Parish that actually practices the Catholic faith.

Those Bishops who helped Priests were not practicing Catholic belief when they did that and I wouldn’t support that either. I will state that is evil also to support them. I will openly tell someone that they are doing wrong, but of course we must use tact, or as most are not thick skinned they will just be offended and not listen.
These women must be treated with charity as already everyone else plays with their emotions and the people who manipulate these women instead of representing truth with charity, they represent lies with smiles.

The official documents state what their beliefs are and if they mix truth with lies that doesn’t make them true. It just means that you are supporting an organization that officially supports both bad and good.

I would rather support an organization that supports good in its official documents and withhold from those in that organization that do not fulfill it’s message.

In Christ
Scylla
 
The Salvation Army does a lot of good work through many important programs in our communities. I see it every day on my street. When you refuse to put a few coins or bills in the kettle, you’re not helping anyone. Not exactly a shining example of Catholic charity.
 
starling said:
The Salvation Army does a lot of good work through many important programs in our communities. I see it every day on my street. When you refuse to put a few coins or bills in the kettle, you’re not helping anyone. Not exactly a shining example of Catholic charity.
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Depending if you have a chance to put the coins to another institution or not. If I have a chance to use those coins to feed a person on the street directly then I am more directly feeding the hungry.
Which is what we are called to do or else we could just pay our taxes and let the Government feed the hungry, clothe the naked, etc…
It all falls under a responsible and direct assistance to those in need. I will donate to the food pantry because of what they do, not to the LDS who support the food pantry as they use some of the money to lead people astray.
Now if my only choice is to donate to LDS who then donate to the food pantry then it is ok, but we must go to the extreme to defend truth and directly help the needy.

In Christ
Scylla
 
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