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BelFarfalla
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It’s an interesting question… because of the lies about Catholics and the Orthodox that he will most likely be taught I’m not sure if I agree with you. I’ll have to think about it.
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BelFarfalla
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I must admit that I love this post of yours… I just read it to my husband. He surely enjoyed in the way you meant it.
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BelFarfalla
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Apparenlty the Salvation Army in the USA spends about 84% of the donations they receive on charity… this includes the administration of charity.
The other 16% goes directly to support their church… that’s about $375 million a year going to support a church with about 500,000 members in the USA.
By contrast Food For The Poor is a Christian charity… Their financial record is much better. They only help people and are not a ‘church’.
foodforthepoor.org/site/c.dnJGKNNsFmG/b.734555/k.CBEA/Home.htm
2006 SUMMARY OF ACTIVITIES *
Total Expenditures: $854,465,027
Operating Expenses: $32,838,371
Tractor-Trailers of Aid Distributed 4,054
Administrative Ratio3.84%**
**foodforthepoor.org/site/c.dnJGKNNsFmG/b.844879/k.D6E1/Finances.htm
It appears that the Salvation Army skims a lot off the top for their own church.
The other 16% goes directly to support their church… that’s about $375 million a year going to support a church with about 500,000 members in the USA.
By contrast Food For The Poor is a Christian charity… Their financial record is much better. They only help people and are not a ‘church’.
foodforthepoor.org/site/c.dnJGKNNsFmG/b.734555/k.CBEA/Home.htm
2006 SUMMARY OF ACTIVITIES *
Total Expenditures: $854,465,027
Operating Expenses: $32,838,371
Tractor-Trailers of Aid Distributed 4,054
Administrative Ratio3.84%**
**foodforthepoor.org/site/c.dnJGKNNsFmG/b.844879/k.D6E1/Finances.htm
It appears that the Salvation Army skims a lot off the top for their own church.
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Kitty_Chan
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But is that a fair comparasion, youd have to compare all ministrys theres a watchdog service that does that and their name escapes me. I will try to think of it. But when you get your separation of church going it gets tricky because what a church does is help because its what God told it to do, and that will always conflict with those that think its the governments job to help. The day that there is wide spread secular groups that help then alot of problems will be over.
(Before I get flamed about secular groups doing stuff, Im saying ALL those who follow the Lord are asked to help. Not the same in secular groups, its their decision, some do and some dont.)
But its because of their church that they do outreach and works so the two are hand in hand. Some people who do not beleive in God would donate to them rather than Catholic or a Baptist ministry because regardless the Sally Ann has a good rep.
Also thanks for considering my earlier thought re ministries and to be clear I included ALL street ministry, Catholic or otherwise. Id still be fearful that trying to convince the downtrodden to a particular church rather than just renewing their faith. Which in their present condition is only a first step on the road to recovery.
(Before I get flamed about secular groups doing stuff, Im saying ALL those who follow the Lord are asked to help. Not the same in secular groups, its their decision, some do and some dont.)
But its because of their church that they do outreach and works so the two are hand in hand. Some people who do not beleive in God would donate to them rather than Catholic or a Baptist ministry because regardless the Sally Ann has a good rep.
Also thanks for considering my earlier thought re ministries and to be clear I included ALL street ministry, Catholic or otherwise. Id still be fearful that trying to convince the downtrodden to a particular church rather than just renewing their faith. Which in their present condition is only a first step on the road to recovery.
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lak611
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Food for the Poor is a good organisation, however, they do not serve in the US. They are an overseas mission. They would not be a charity that people would donate to if they wished to help Americans. I do contribute to Food for the Poor, but, again, they are not local. If somebody is looking for a charity to help the people in his own neighbourhood, Food for the Poor would not be his choice.
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BelFarfalla
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You’re right, I did notice that. I’ve never given to them but was impressed with what I learned today.
For Catholics who want to help on a local or world wide level there is Catholic Charities.
Nearly 1,800 local Catholic Charities agencies and institutions make up the Catholic Charities network, which serves more than 7.1 million people-regardless of their religion, race, or background-each year with vital services including food for the hungry; shelter for the homeless; and emergency financial assistance for families of working poor.
catholiccharitiesusa.org/donate/index.cfm?cfid=3005529&cftoken=99856683
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paarsurrey
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HiI must admit that I love this post of yours… I just read it to my husband. He surely enjoyed in the way you meant it.
Thanks for your appreciation and your husband’s enjoyment.
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
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Steelhart
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My family did stay at a Salvation Army shelter years ago. We were required to go to their services before each and every meal which I find odd.
My family joined their citadel for a short time and I was even a volunteer to resupply a local canteen truck that was the first responder to the OKC bombing. We left a year or so later.
Did you realize most Bell Ringers are not members or volunteers at all, but paid to ring their bells.
The Salvation Army administers no baptism. They assert that it is not necessary “in order to receive salvation.” They reason that there are climates and circumstances which would make immersion impractical, so only repentance and faith are required (Handbook, pp. 185-186).
My family joined their citadel for a short time and I was even a volunteer to resupply a local canteen truck that was the first responder to the OKC bombing. We left a year or so later.
Did you realize most Bell Ringers are not members or volunteers at all, but paid to ring their bells.
The Salvation Army administers no baptism. They assert that it is not necessary “in order to receive salvation.” They reason that there are climates and circumstances which would make immersion impractical, so only repentance and faith are required (Handbook, pp. 185-186).
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Kitty_Chan
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well gotta admit it is a point, what if you cant immerse and live where you can only do so in the summer? But there must be provisions made for such. Is it immersion that they do go for or did they just toss the whole idea??The Salvation Army administers no baptism. They assert that it is not necessary “in order to receive salvation.” They reason that there are climates and circumstances which would make immersion impractical, so only repentance and faith are required (Handbook, pp. 185-186).
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Steelhart
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they tossed it… kinda strange… admitting its needed then tossing it because immersion would be hard at times. Less kettles and more tubs then.
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Kitty_Chan
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yea and there is always the polar bear swim teams if they can do it for fun I wonder
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Publisher
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Along with Friends, members of the Salvation Army do not practice water baptism. I don’t know if their stance is the same as the Society of Friends. Friends don’t practice water baptism as we believe the One Baptism that truly “saves” and “regenerates” is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. “One may enter the waters of baptism a “dry sinner” and come out a “wet sinner”…but no one being baptized in the regenerating fire of the Holy Spirit can remain unchanged.”
For those who find meaning in water baptism, Friends have no issue with…I suspect neither does the Salvation Army, it is simply a “witness” of God’s grace to forgive sins without the need of a priest or minister acting on God’s behalf for the candidate.
For those who find meaning in water baptism, Friends have no issue with…I suspect neither does the Salvation Army, it is simply a “witness” of God’s grace to forgive sins without the need of a priest or minister acting on God’s behalf for the candidate.
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Steelhart
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I wonder if private interpretation was involved…lol
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Never know…I wonder if “baptism by desire” covers Friends and Army Christians?I wonder if private interpretation was involved…lol
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CreosMary
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The Salvation Army does not have any sacraments as when it was formed by William Booth in the 19th (?) century it was an association of Christian peoples that came together to provide aid to the poor, this especially in a time when in London, England, Gin- abuse was a huge problem. It was assumed that all who came together had already been baptised and was made up of Catholic’s Anglicans, Methodists etc.
The SA was not an actual Church as such until fairly recently when it grew to a size where tax concessions and other issued would have aided it’s mission.
Personally I have found SA people to be the only non-Catholic Christians who are NOT anti-Catholic, one young SA man told me this was because they understand the history of the SA and where thier Christian faith came from (Catholic Church).
One of our Council members is a Major in the SA and eager to learn our beliefs and loves our liturgies.
By thier fruits…
PS: William Booth’s father was the manufacturer of “Booths Gin”
The SA was not an actual Church as such until fairly recently when it grew to a size where tax concessions and other issued would have aided it’s mission.
Personally I have found SA people to be the only non-Catholic Christians who are NOT anti-Catholic, one young SA man told me this was because they understand the history of the SA and where thier Christian faith came from (Catholic Church).
One of our Council members is a Major in the SA and eager to learn our beliefs and loves our liturgies.
By thier fruits…
PS: William Booth’s father was the manufacturer of “Booths Gin”
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RevDrNorth
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I would say yes as long as you are not witholding support from similar Catholic organizations. They are a basic Evangelical Church. They have also been noted as one of the BEST run charitities in America. The VAST majority of what they take in goes to the people it is supposed to. Administrative costs are miniscule and as was noted on 60 minutes their Salvation Army officers earn little. Think of them as married Religious and you get the picture.
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fellowChristian
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My brother in-law (Catholic) married his wife (SA) and after having a child he sided with her. No baptism until the child decides for himself if he wants to follow Christ. We all kept our mouths shut,so as not to cause any problems.
Then two years later my brother in-law is alot more involved in the SA. I started talking about the Reformation and Martin Luther. My brother-in-law went nuts! I asked him if he had read the book I had given him (The Catechism) he said he put it up “with the stuff from the Mormons.” And then he said"I can’t believe you’re bringing up this stuff in front of the kids!" “Every time I come over you try to convert me”
I spoke softly, I kept my voice calm. I was making dinner for my family and everyone knows I love to talk about my faith.
He snapped. Then he started saying “The pope made up the law of baptizing children.”
His wife once in response to me speaking about the Catholic Church is The Universal Church of Christ(Catholic=Universal) said SA are “Catholic” too.
Then two years later my brother in-law is alot more involved in the SA. I started talking about the Reformation and Martin Luther. My brother-in-law went nuts! I asked him if he had read the book I had given him (The Catechism) he said he put it up “with the stuff from the Mormons.” And then he said"I can’t believe you’re bringing up this stuff in front of the kids!" “Every time I come over you try to convert me”
I spoke softly, I kept my voice calm. I was making dinner for my family and everyone knows I love to talk about my faith.
He snapped. Then he started saying “The pope made up the law of baptizing children.”
His wife once in response to me speaking about the Catholic Church is The Universal Church of Christ(Catholic=Universal) said SA are “Catholic” too.
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fellowChristian
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The wife was Catholic when she lived in Mexico. Then she came here and the SA helped out her family then they converted. All 15 of them left the Catholic Church.
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