Salvation beliefs

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Does the Catholic Church truly believe that if you leave the Church your soul is lost?
 
How do you propose a soul could be saved with a rejection of God and His Church and His sacraments? How would one die in a state of grace?
 
Well…my CC book and a Catholic apologist explained that the stance of the Church is that the reason for the leaving gives weight to Gods choice. That it is very situational. Such as, if someone leaves because of the experience of someone in the Church being a bad example of the faith, that person is not condemned. So it is a very light heartening view point of the Church that many do not know about.
 
God remembers you even after you had left the church. You reminded me of the prodigal son story.
 
Sure, but one must return. One must be part of the Church triumphant. That’s hard to do when one deserts the Church militant and the Church penitent.
 
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How do you propose a soul could be saved with a rejection of God and His Church and His sacraments? How would one die in a state of grace?
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We know that knowledge is taken into account when judging someone’s actions and their culpability for them. If someone left the church and joined another religion, not because they want to reject God but because they were sincerely convinced that the other religion was true, then I don’t see how God could hold that against them. They might still be wrong, but since their intent was to serve God (again, even though their understanding was faulty) I don’t see how salvation would be impossible for them.
 
I suppose, that even after I left pee wee football the Patriots could come a calling for a quarterback. Possible, sure, but one needs to die free from mortal sin. Some sins can be mitigated by ignorance and some can’t.
 
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I suppose, that even after I left pee wee football the Patriots could come a calling for a quarterback. Possible, sure, but one needs to die free from mortal sin. Some sins can be mitigated by ignorance and some can’t.
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Do you think that the sacrament of confession is the only way sins are forgiven? Also, what mortal sins can’t be mitigated by ignorance? Knowledge is always a requirement to be culpable for mortal sin as far as I know.
 
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The Church is the ordinary means of salvation. Suggesting that ones odds of achieving heaven are not severely compromised by leaving it is the opposite of the Gospel.
 
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The Church is the ordinary means of salvation. Suggesting that ones odds of achieving heaven are not severely compromised by leaving it is the opposite of the Gospel.
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As I said, it’s certainly not a good thing and detrimental to your salvation. But I don’t see how you get around the knowledge piece. That has to be taken into account.
 
Megwalters2288 said:
Well…my CC book and a Catholic apologist explained that the stance of the Church is that the reason for the leaving gives weight to Gods choice. That it is very situational. Such as, if someone leaves because of the experience of someone in the Church being a bad example of the faith, that person is not condemned. So it is a very light heartening view point of the Church that many do not know about.
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The is some truth to that. I can certainly see God’s mercy extending to those who leave the Church because of sexual abuse or something done to them by a clergy member.

As you stated every situation is different, so we definitely can’t generalize that everyone who leaves will be fine with regards to their salvation.

The Catholic Church is necessary for salvation, so if someone chooses to leave, I hope they realize what they are giving up.
 
If you leave, having any degree of knowledge of the truth, your salvation is at risk. Read the Lord’s parables about goats and sheep. About Saint Peter’s admonition that those who have escaped the snares of this world by coming to know the truth; and who fall back into old practices are worse off than they were before.

The Church declares that exactly no one is in hell - despite the fact that many most certainly are.
 
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