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Cite directly then so that we may refer to the reference point in a spirit of intellectual honestly.
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There is no citation for the information I posted.
Here are a couple of Catholic references mentioned:
Catholic Church: vatican.va/phome_en.htm
Catholicism: catholic.net
Please do not trouble me with this any further. It is rather mundane. Of course, not all Catholics are going to believe in all the Churches teachings. One would have to be a complete idiot to think otherwise.
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If you’re going to use facts and figures to reinforce an argument, it is not “mundane” that your opposition would want to check those out for themselves.
Of course we all may have struggles from time to time. Such is our sin of selfishness. But I’m not sure you understand how “Catholic” works. The Church determines doctrine. Not you and me. If we disagree, that makes us objectively wrong, at least from a Catholic perspective.
As a last:
The NT came from the apostles who were instructed by Christ and guided by the Holy Spirit in the discharge of their holy duty. They appointed bishops to carry on the same mission.
You are not an apostle. You are also not a bishop. I’m not either. As such, your (and my) “personal revelation” carries no weight in the revelation of God’s truth. If what we think conflicts with the sacred institution Christ created to administer the truth, then we are champions of error.
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At least from “your” Catholic perspective. I’m a baptized Catholic. And just because I do not agree with all the Church teachings, it doesn’t make me any less of a Catholic. And if it does, then so be it. At least I know that I am right by God.
You needn’t rely on my personal revelation. It is in the bible. Atonement for sins is in scripture. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that atonement is limited to the faithful dead. Jesus still holds the keys to death and Hades. Or, do you believe that He has lost them? Atonement can be made for the dead in Hades. It is quite simple. We needn’t complicate it.
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Actually, yes it does.
If you willfully place yourself outside the confines of Christ’s Church, you imperil yourself as there is no expectation of salvation outside the Church.
The soul in hell is a soul beyond reach. Sounds simple to me.
Matthew 25:46 “They will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life”.
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I’d rather be right with God, than wrong with the Church.
You are barking up the wrong tree. Jesus already told me that I would be with my mom in heaven.
The meaning of the word “eternal” is debatable.
Aion
The first pillar we will examine is the Greek word, aion. It is
mostly translated ―eternal ―everlasting, and for ―ever in the King
James Version. However, some translations read ―age-abiding, ―ageduring,
or ―eon, as noted below. ―Robert Young, author of the
highly respected Young‘s Analytical Concordance, in his literal
translation of the Bible, always translates it 'age‘ and never once as
'everlasting,‘ or 'eternal.‘
There is a lot more where that came from.
tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
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I stand for what I know to be. I’m not a gullible one.
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