Salvation, Justification

[Marcos_2]

Hi there.

Although, there are millions of topis like this, I decided open a new one

What’s the definition of salvation and justification?

How many times does justification happen?

Can we be sure about our salvation? If we are sure about our salvation, it means we’re going to receive Heaven when we die, therefore we can make much mess while we live?

Thanks

 

[El_camino]

Hi there.

Although, there are millions of topis like this, I decided open a new one

What’s the definition of salvation and justification?

How many times does justification happen?

Can we be sure about our salvation? If we are sure about our salvation, it means we’re going to receive Heaven when we die, therefore we can make much mess while we live?

Thanks

From James Akin:

cin.org/users/james/files/pastpres.htm

 

[Verbum]

Hi Marcos,

To make a long story short, justification is what is done by baptism : cleansing from all sin, incorporation into Christ, becoming an adopted child of God and heir to heaven. It’s our ticket to heaven.

Salvation is actually getting into heaven. In other words, with baptism (justification) you get your ticket to heaven, but, with the help of God, you have to persevere in making your way there.

Protestants seem to confuse both ideas, as if, once justified, you were saved for ever.

They often say that we claim to get into heaven because of our good deeds (“works”). We don’t. The reason we can get into heaven is because we have the ticket, and only God can give us. that without any merit of our own.

However, because we are part of the mystical body of Christ (incorporated into Him), he has obtained for us that our good deeds should be meritorious, not for salvation but for a better place in heaven. Jesus has said that there are many houses in heaven and has implied that some are better than others, when some disciples were discussing who was going to be sittting at his right hand and left hand.

Since the essence of “heaven” is the beatific vision, having a better place in heaven, means that we have superior knowledge and enjoyment of God.

Verbum

 

[Marcos_2]

Hi, again.

 I read that site: [cin.org/users/james/files/pastpres.htm](http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/pastpres.htm)

 For example: X is drowning in the water. Y gives to him his hand to save him. X accepts it and is saved. I understand a salvation occurred here.

 Maybe, when in the Bible it's spoken about salvation in the past, it means when we received Baptism we got in the state we would be when we get into Heaven. But some time after we sinned, so we lost it. Now, we can be in the state of someone who is in Heaven: it would be our salvation in the present. But after we're going to sin. And the salvation in the future means that state we'll get in the future during life, or in the Heaven.

 Is this the meaning of past, presente and future salvation dimensions?

 Bye!

 

[El_camino]

Hi, again.

 I read that site: [cin.org/users/james/files/pastpres.htm](http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/pastpres.htm)

 For example: X is drowning in the water. Y gives to him his hand to save him. X accepts it and is saved. I understand a salvation occurred here.

 Maybe, when in the Bible it's spoken about salvation in the past, it means when we received Baptism we got in the state we would be when we get into Heaven. But some time after we sinned, so we lost it. Now, we can be in the state of someone who is in Heaven: it would be our salvation in the present. But after we're going to sin. And the salvation in the future means that state we'll get in the future during life, or in the Heaven.

 Is this the meaning of past, presente and future salvation dimensions?

 Bye!

Salvation occurs by grace. The moment you were baptized or accepted Jesus and were baptized you were saved. However, Salvation continues in you, in the sense that you must keep collaborating with God’s grace, if you don’t you would reject your salvation. Finally, once you enter HEAVEN, then you have eternal security of your salvation, thus, you are saved once and for all in the sense that you will not even be able to reject such salvation.

Justification is a nuance of salvation. It is God’s declaration that you are righteous. In the eyes of God is the brightness of your soul.

Santification on the other hand, is the purification of your soul. As you get more and more sanctified, you rid yourself more and more of your corrupt nature and you sin less. That is why the LAST stage of sanctification is Purgatory where, before you enter Heaven, you rid yourself 100% of your corrupt nature, which is why in Heaven you CANNOT sin. Whereas on Earth, up until your last breath you could always sins, because of that corrupt nature.

Blessings,

E.C.

 

[Nita]

Something to keep in mind is that there is a dual aspect to what “salvation” means:

1. Salvation - from our sins (that means having them cured/removed)
2. Salvation - from the eternal **consequence of our sins **(hell).

It is the first aspect that must take place before we can enter heaven. If it is not fully accomplished here on earth, we go to purgatory until it is. (I am speaking of those who do not die in the state of unconfessed mortal sin.)

Many denominations recognize only the second aspect in their understanding of salvation. As Catholics, we recognize both.

Nita

 

[El_camino]

Something to keep in mind is that there is a dual aspect to what “salvation” means:

1. Salvation - from our sins (that means having them cured/removed)
2. Salvation - from the eternal **consequence of our sins **(hell).

It is the first aspect that must take place before we can enter heaven. If it is not fully accomplished here on earth, we go to purgatory until it is. (I am speaking of those who do not die in the state of unconfessed mortal sin.)

Many denominations recognize only the second aspect in their understanding of salvation. As Catholics, we recognize both.

Nita

Nita, I would not call the 2nd aspect salvation, but rather SANCTIFICATION. Having said that, sanctification is an aspect or nuance of salvation, just like justification is.

The other denominations do RECOGNIZE this 2nd aspect of salvation, as they all believe that we must be sanctified, the differentce is that they believe that we are sanctified completely here on earth and NEVER on the next life. We catholic believe that final sanctification does occur in the next life, in Purgartory.

Blessings,

E.C.

 

[Nita]

Nita, I would not call the 2nd aspect salvation, but rather SANCTIFICATION. Having said that, sanctification is an aspect or nuance of salvation, just like justification is.

The other denominations do RECOGNIZE this 2nd aspect of salvation, as they all believe that we must be sanctified, the differentce is that they believe that we are sanctified completely here on earth and NEVER on the next life. We catholic believe that final sanctification does occur in the next life, in Purgartory.

Blessings,

E.C.

I think you meant SANCTIFICATION to refer to the 1st aspect - being saved from our sin.

There are denominations that see salvation as something totally separate and distinct from sanctification. If one accepts Jesus as their Savior, that is all that is necessary; he will be saved from hell and will go to heaven. Salvation consists in God’s decision not to punish us for our sins - as long as we profess faith in Him. Sanctification is nice, but not necessary.

In Catholicism, “salvation” is a broad term for us that includes forgiveness of sin, sanctification, justification, deification, etc. They’re all interrelated, all part of being saved. That’s why for a Catholic, when asked “Have you been saved?”, we don’t just answer “Yes”, period (as many other denominations would). Our answer is Yes, I have been saved, I am being saved, and if I persevere to the end, I will be saved after death.

CCC #654 The Paschal mystery has two aspects: by his death, Christ liberates us from sin; by his Resurrection, he opens for us the way to a new life. This new life is above all justification that reinstates us in God’s grace. … Justification consists in both victory over the death caused by sin and a new participation in grace. …

Also CCC paragraphs #1987 - #2005 “Grace and Justification” is very good.

For Catholics, salvation cannot be something separated from sanctification, justification, etc. The teaching that we must be in the state of "sanctifying" grace when we die if we are to be “saved” makes that clear.

Hope this helps clarify what I meant.

Nita

 

[Seamus_Sully]

Hi Marcos,

To make a long story short, justification is what is done by baptism : cleansing from all sin, incorporation into Christ, becoming an adopted child of God and heir to heaven. It’s our ticket to heaven.

Salvation is actually getting into heaven. In other words, with baptism (justification) you get your ticket to heaven, but, with the help of God, you have to persevere in making your way there.

Verbum

I want to thank you for such a concise statement. Thanks, thanks, thanks. That is really helpful for me!

 

[Seamus_Sully]

Hi Marcos,

They often say that we claim to get into heaven because of our good deeds (“works”). We don’t. The reason we can get into heaven is because we have the ticket, and only God can give us. that without any merit of our own.

However, because we are part of the mystical body of Christ (incorporated into Him), he has obtained for us that our good deeds should be meritorious, not for salvation but for a better place in heaven. Jesus has said that there are many houses in heaven and has implied that some are better than others, when some disciples were discussing who was going to be sittting at his right hand and left hand.

Since the essence of “heaven” is the beatific vision, having a better place in heaven, means that we have superior knowledge and enjoyment of God.

Verbum

Wow, you are concise.

Again, this is most helpful to me. Thanks, thanks, thanks!